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Re: Absolute Proof Liberalism is a Mental Disorder
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That is a no then. You would not respect and accept the law of the land.
Master, it is literally
IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?
So you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?
Certain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.
What if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?
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Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
Just what a freedom fighter/terrorist would say.
Facile argument there Master, I respect you and know you are smarter than that.....but if you care to elaborate be my guest.
You would overthrow the democratic government because you fundamentally disagreed with it.
Again, that's a facile argument.
No.
I would fight the government because the government would have overstepped it's bounds and infringed on the rights of all law abiding Americans.....ergo the government would be considered "tyrannical" and I would be lawfully justified in rebelling against that "democratic government".
It's not a matter of "disagreeing" it's a matter of government overreach.
I will not rely on Hillary clinton or Obama to protect me..... I need protection from THEM, for when the whackos come for our guns. We went through King George once, we aint doin it again ---- unarmed, atleast.
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El Kabong
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Master
That is a no then. You would not respect and accept the law of the land.
Master, it is literally
IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?
So you government can not restrict gun ownership to its citizens?
Certain licenses can be denied, if you're a convicted felon you can't own or even hold a gun. It's not an absolute.....unless you're a law abiding citizen.
What if the government deny its civilians the ownership of guns and only allowed the authorities to have them?
:vd:
Since the government is founded on and runs based off of the Constitution it would be unconstitutional for such a law to be passed. That said, if such a law WAS passed then it would be my DUTY as an American citizen to revolt against a tyrannical government.
....is this some kind of novel idea to you? It's fairly simple to me, maybe it's because I grew up with it. Not that I'm some kind of compound having unofficial state militia starting crazy person, just because the Constitution is the rule and guide of government, the Constitution says what the government can't do, and the founding fathers said basically "If the government stops going by the Constitution then it's your job as a citizen to overthrow the government"....that's just the way it is.
Just what a freedom fighter/terrorist would say.
Facile argument there Master, I respect you and know you are smarter than that.....but if you care to elaborate be my guest.
You would overthrow the democratic government because you fundamentally disagreed with it.
Again, that's a facile argument.
No.
I would fight the government because the government would have overstepped it's bounds and infringed on the rights of all law abiding Americans.....ergo the government would be considered "tyrannical" and I would be lawfully justified in rebelling against that "democratic government".
It's not a matter of "disagreeing" it's a matter of government overreach.
It is not a facile argument when you would pick up a gun against your own government.
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Master
It is not a facile argument when you would pick up a gun against your own government.
It's a facile argument because you don't take into account how this nation was founded and what it was founded on.
Also I take it you've not read much on the Founding Fathers, please educate yourself on them.
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El Kabong
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That is a no then. You would not respect and accept the law of the land.
Master, it is literally
IMPOSSIBLE for that to be the "law of the land" as it is against the law for the Federal or State government to make firearms illegal....again, how is that so difficult to comprehend?
Just one question. Just for the sake of argument, let's say if the people decides to repeal the 2nd and calls for an amendment to the constitution and suppose the people vote overwhelmingly for the repeal, will you fully accept that? But no, I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything like that.
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Just one question. Just for the sake of argument, let's say if the people decides to repeal the 2nd and calls for an amendment to the constitution and suppose the people vote overwhelmingly for the repeal, will you fully accept that? But no, I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything like that.
Now THAT could happen in reality...it's highly doubtful that it would, but that's not the question you asked so I'll stick to answering that question.
IF what you propose actually happened in the United States then I would with a clear conscience become a criminal and keep my firearms because I as an individual believe that it is a God given right that I'm allowed to defend myself however I deem necessary. I would not offer myself up to be jailed or punished, I would merely resist by inaction.....lest it be necessary to resist by force.
Likewise I would have not abided by the 18th Amendment either.
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Just one question. Just for the sake of argument, let's say if the people decides to repeal the 2nd and calls for an amendment to the constitution and suppose the people vote overwhelmingly for the repeal, will you fully accept that? But no, I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything like that.
Now THAT could happen in reality...it's highly doubtful that it would, but that's not the question you asked so I'll stick to answering that question.
IF what you propose actually happened in the United States then I would with a clear conscience become a criminal and keep my firearms because I as an individual believe that it is a God given right that I'm allowed to defend myself however I deem necessary. I would not offer myself up to be jailed or punished, I would merely resist by inaction.....lest it be necessary to resist by force.
Likewise I would have not abided by the 18th Amendment either.
Alright, that's fair enough. I was just thinking you'd say something like, 'I will support whatever the constitution dictates upon me,' and I would've been disappointed if you said that, regardless of our difference in opinion regarding the gun control issue, because I myself wouldn't have change my principle just because of the change in the provision of the constitution...
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Alright, that's fair enough. I was just thinking you'd say something like, 'I will support whatever the constitution dictates upon me,' and I would've been disappointed if you said that, regardless of our difference in opinion regarding the gun control issue, because I myself wouldn't have change my principle just because of the change in the provision of the constitution...
Ha, no I am not a robot, I'm an individual who believes in Freedom and Liberty. And there are times when I am absolutely wrong....but I hope to always err on the side of freedom and liberty rather than on the side of authoritarian government.
Point of clarification though, the Constitution dictates to Government things that can and cannot be done, it doesn't set guidelines for the People and that is why it is such an important document....not just for me, not just for Americans, but for everyone to learn and hopefully grow from.
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He has some good points.
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Really good read through here gents;
All of you have such good and worthy points when trying to think fairly and also think safely into the future. Im a useless fence sitter but honestly my ass is starting to come apart and not feeling comfort in it any more.
I still have my mind in two places when considering immigration of religious zealots vs racism.
I dont see the two as one.
And gun ownership vs total government take over via police who already kill innocents under a protective banner of laws that appear to be extended more towards their violence and less towards your protection is a real concern.
Im worried and call me a what you like thinking like this ,but I have a feeling some behind the governments in the shadows are hoping for unrest on the ground, so they can flex what they have up into a combined army policing of all under one banner. Or maybe going by who is siding with who in world affairs, first it occurs on home ground then a split world of two controlling governing groups that will eventually either form up to squash any small uprisings anywhere under agreement with each other. Or maybe continue to use neutral grounds to do battle but increase the volume until they turn and look square at each other for once and just go for it.
Either way it isnt going to be pretty and I think the people who are fighting to hold onto their own protective measures are the ones stopping it from going ballistic sooner than later.
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Maybe in regards to refugees and immigrants we need to redraw up a hard hitting questionnaire that isnt to be filled out but answered verbally in front of a panel; that asks them i a round about way which law they want to see in the future of (your country) What do they envisage as the future of (your country) and their proposed actions to make it a better place etc. Give them some scenarios to choose from and fuck them off if a red flag goes up.
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Maybe in regards to refugees and immigrants we need to redraw up a hard hitting questionnaire that isnt to be filled out but answered verbally in front of a panel; that asks them i a round about way which law they want to see in the future of (your country) What do they envisage as the future of (your country) and their proposed actions to make it a better place etc. Give them some scenarios to choose from and fuck them off if a red flag goes up.
It would have to be a really roundabout way so that they could not figure out that you were trying to find certain information in order to make the determination. Then of course the American Civil Liberties Union would get involved and say that the questioning also very roundabout was too intrusive and violated some kind of civil rights etc and then you have all of that nonsense where it the authorities would be accused of racial profiling or religious profiling or some such nonsense.
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Maybe in regards to refugees and immigrants we need to redraw up a hard hitting questionnaire that isnt to be filled out but answered verbally in front of a panel; that asks them i a round about way which law they want to see in the future of (your country) What do they envisage as the future of (your country) and their proposed actions to make it a better place etc. Give them some scenarios to choose from and fuck them off if a red flag goes up.
That is not a great idea. They can lie or just have a bad day answering their questions. I prefer you fence sitting. :)
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You have to physiologically test them out, so this doesnt occur: These figures are horrific and conclusive: 1 in 4 Swedish Women Will Be Raped as Sexual Assaults Increase 500% | Frontpage Mag
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That is just rubbish and is not true. I blame xsweetie rather than muslims.
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Looks from every report I see it is true mate:
From Wiki:
Sweden[edit]
Further information: Immigration to Sweden and Crime in Sweden
A report studying 4.4 million Swedes between the ages of 15 and 51 during the period 1997-2001 found that 25% of crimes were committed by foreign-born individuals while and additional 20% were committed by individuals born to foreign-born parents. In particular, immigrants from Africa and Southern and Western Asian were more likely to be charged of a crime than individuals born to two Swedish parents by a factor of 4.5 and 3.5 respectively. Findings from a previous study published by the Swedish government in 1996 determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.[12]
In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Overall, North Africa and Western Asia were strongly overrepresented in the crime statistics.
The report is based on statistics for those "suspected" of offences, but Stina Holmberg of the Council for Crime Prevention said that there was "little difference" in the statistics for those suspected of crimes and those actually convicted.
"Slightly under 60 percent of the almost 1,520,000 offences ... registered during the period covered by the study can be attributed to persons who were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents," it said.[35]
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****we have hit the point where just stating facts has become taboo****
automatic ultra-liberal reaction is "oh no! Even if its true it just sounds so "racist''
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Frontpage ? Seriously mate? ;D "Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" What a fucking joke. You can make statistics prove anything but if you are going to quote the words of someone from New York whose entire agenda is to demonise Muslims and like the other fucking American idiots on here tell Europe what to do whilst ignoring Xwetie who actually comes form Sweden, then there really is no hope. This used to be a place for intelligent debate and now it's "lets appeal to the lowest common denominator". No wonder so many great posters have left.
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Frontpage ? Seriously mate? ;D
"Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" What a fucking joke. You can make statistics prove anything but if you are going to quote the words of someone from New York whose entire agenda is to demonise Muslims and like the other fucking American idiots on here tell Europe what to do whilst ignoring Xwetie who actually comes form Sweden, then there really is no hope. This used to be a place for intelligent debate and now it's "
lets appeal to the lowest common denominator". No wonder so many great posters have left.
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****we have hit the point where just stating facts has become taboo****
automatic ultra-liberal reaction is "oh no! Even if its true it just sounds so "racist''
You are an idiot. You are the biggest ultra-liberal on here. You seem unable to address any non-white poster without boring us all with your sychophantic jpegs of their national dishes, even when they would much prefer pie and mash. You are constantly reminding everyone how many languages you speak and how you are not Anglo Saxon, whilst simultaneously T bagging Donald Trump and calling for people to deny the rights of refugees that your own family supposedly benefited from.
When you title a thread in such a way that precludes sensible debate by insisting that any opponents of your retarded world view are actually the ones suffering from a mental disorder, then you can not be surprised when people call you out on your bullshit. Nobody has suggested anything is taboo but you. You are constantly seeking to censor any discordance before you even start the conversation. That's why debate does not happen much here anymore. Because of you. You are socially crippled. You can't handle anyone disagreeing and so you send them vile PM's and act like a toddler. You are not even a mental gnat, let alone a midget, but you think you should be able to say absolutely anything without others being able to reply.
What a joke.
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****we have hit the point where just stating facts has become taboo****
automatic ultra-liberal reaction is "oh no! Even if its true it just sounds so "racist''
You are an idiot. You are the biggest ultra-liberal on here. You seem unable to address any non-white poster without boring us all with your sychophantic jpegs of their national dishes, even when they would much prefer pie and mash. You are constantly reminding everyone how many languages you speak and how you are not Anglo Saxon, whilst simultaneously T bagging Donald Trump and calling for people to deny the rights of refugees that your own family supposedly benefited from.
When you title a thread in such a way that precludes sensible debate by insisting that any opponents of your retarded world view are actually the ones suffering from a mental disorder, then you can not be surprised when people call you out on your bullshit. Nobody has suggested anything is taboo but you. You are constantly seeking to censor any discordance before you even start the conversation. That's why debate does not happen much here anymore. Because of you. You are socially crippled. You can't handle anyone disagreeing and so you send them vile PM's and act like a toddler. You are not even a mental gnat, let alone a midget, but you think you should be able to say absolutely anything without others being able to reply.
What a joke.
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Frontpage ? Seriously mate? ;D
"Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" What a fucking joke. You can make statistics prove anything but if you are going to quote the words of someone from New York whose entire agenda is to demonise Muslims and like the other fucking American idiots on here tell Europe what to do whilst ignoring Xwetie who actually comes form Sweden, then there really is no hope. This used to be a place for intelligent debate and now it's "
lets appeal to the lowest common denominator". No wonder so many great posters have left.
alright try this one instead Sweden: Rape Capital of the West
@Xwetie what is its like over there in Sweeden mate is this shit true or false?
Oh and Im not against Muslims coming in here, Im pro refugees coming on board but Im not stupid either with open arms I want our governments looking harder at and testing out their young single males beliefs and conscious a bit before letting them in. Just cause their paper work checks out isnt good enough in this day and age. I recon tests and a panel of judges and a restricted zone preliminary year so they can prove their worth.
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1 in 5 of us are Chinese.
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From back on the fence though; it looks like people are running off into extremes, following the weather patterns and other extremists both religious and anti.
We have on one extreme side; people who see all refugees as innocents (which in reality is as fucking stupid as seeing all Muslims as terrorists.
But alas these two groups fight it out on the streets as if one is right and the other has to be wrong and make each other look even more extreme in opposition.
Reality is in the middle of both sides and that is where the answer is found in regards to management. It not found in the outer extremes by allowing everyone in or keeping everyone out, that is actually the lowest common denominator of thought process because its a stance in opposition, It is not a moving working set of answers that help manage the problems associated with assimilation.
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Frontpage ? Seriously mate? ;D
"Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" What a fucking joke. You can make statistics prove anything but if you are going to quote the words of someone from New York whose entire agenda is to demonise Muslims and like the other fucking American idiots on here tell Europe what to do whilst ignoring Xwetie who actually comes form Sweden, then there really is no hope. This used to be a place for intelligent debate and now it's "
lets appeal to the lowest common denominator". No wonder so many great posters have left.
alright try this one instead
Sweden: Rape Capital of the West
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Xwetie what is its like over there in Sweeden mate is this shit true or false?
Oh and Im not against Muslims coming in here, Im pro refugees coming on board but Im not stupid either with open arms I want our governments looking harder at and testing out their young single males beliefs and conscious a bit before letting them in. Just cause their paper work checks out isnt good enough in this day and age. I recon tests and a panel of judges and a restricted zone preliminary year so they can prove their worth.
That link is from the Gatestone Institute. Again another neo-conservative right wing anti-Muslim think tank, based in New York. It's really coming to something If I am the one left having to stand up for Muslims ;D
I don't think for one minute that you are against any group per se, and never would I suggest such a thing. It has been quite obvious and consistent in all my posting that I am not so naive to not recognise fundamental issues even with mainstream Islam and the west. The fact remains most extremists are home grown and Brockton is literally doing the work of greedy governments, the mainstream media, huge corporations and Islamic terror groups and extremists by posting shit like
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...new-years.html
The 1% want us to distrust difference. They want you to look at refugees and see terror threats, they want you to look at disabled people and see tax burdens, they want you to see the unemployed they created and see scroungers, they want you to see anything but the banks and corporations avoiding paying any tax and the party donors receiving MBE's in the UK and lucrative contracts in OZ and the USA.
I am not going to be lectured in mental disorders by somebody like Brockton ;D and Swedish Immigration issues by some rightwing Nazi prick and the British Idiot toffee nosed bastard son of Alex Jones from Infowars.
Picking an extreme point of view and then pretending it is a debate is just stoopid. It is the worst form of the Ameriocan created PC phenomena in which everybody must agree with a point so vacuous a brain damaged sheep couldn't mount an argument against it. It's obsfucation, a way of steering the discussion back to all blowing smoke up the arse of the opening poster. Anyone is free to do it but drinking the same Kool Aid has nothing to do with forum posting or contributing to this community.
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Criminals come from all parts of society and there is a disproportionate number of Muslim men who have abused women in certain areas in the UK but that does not make women in more danger to all Muslims. These are criminals who need to be brought to justice whatever their religion, colour or background.
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The 1% want us to distrust difference. They want you to look at refugees and see terror threats,
I want you to assure me right now that there are exactly 0 terrorists in the "Syrian" refugees. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 35....I want you to with certainty tell me that absolutely, positively, 0 of those seeking asylum are not terrorists. If you cannot in good conscience agree that 0 of the refugees are terrorists then I'll ask this.....How many citizens' lives are you willing to risk in order to provide asylum for those refugees because that is the only other option we have according to you....I want to be nice, I do, I want to be able to help....but to just blindly say "Duuuuuuh, OK, everybody come in" is not very bright. We can have good intentions AND be vigilant at the same time, that's all I want.
And don't lump me in with Brockton for fucks sake, he's a fucking retard.
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The 1% want us to distrust difference. They want you to look at refugees and see terror threats,
I want you to assure me right now that there are exactly
0 terrorists in the "Syrian" refugees. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 35....I want you to with certainty tell me that absolutely, positively, 0 of those seeking asylum are not terrorists. If you cannot in good conscience agree that 0 of the refugees are terrorists then I'll ask this.....How many citizens' lives are you willing to risk in order to provide asylum for those refugees because that is the only other option we have according to you....I want to be nice, I do, I want to be able to help....but to just blindly say "Duuuuuuh, OK, everybody come in" is not very bright. We can have good intentions AND be vigilant at the same time, that's all I want.
And don't lump me in with Brockton for fucks sake, he's a fucking retard.
I am in no way lumping you in with Brockton but the world does not come with Guarantees of no risk. Risk is part of liberty. Are you going to stop all immigration because there is a threat of criminals immigrating ? Are you going to stop American citizens owning guns because a small minority may go on a rampage and kill more than a terrorist? Of course not. Then how can you apply the same illogical rhetoric to refugees fleeing a regime that they have no arms to fight against ?
The Pilgrim fathers left from these shores only a couple of miles from where I am now, in search of religious freedom, and now you are suggesting that it is somehow Mentally disordered for anyone to believe in liberation from persecution?
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I can not assure you right now that there are exactly 0 terrorists in the "Syrian" refugees as I can not assure you that there are 0 homegrown ones.
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I am in no way lumping you in with Brockton but the world does not come with Guarantees of no risk. Risk is part of liberty. Are you going to stop all immigration because there is a threat of criminals immigrating ? Are you going to stop American citizens owning guns because a small minority may go on a rampage and kill more than a terrorist? Of course not. Then how can you apply the same illogical rhetoric to refugees fleeing a regime that they have no arms to fight against ?
The Pilgrim fathers left from these shores only a couple of miles from where I am now, in search of religious freedom, and now you are suggesting that it is somehow Mentally disordered for anyone to believe in liberation from persecution?
Thank you, that is greatly appreciated.
You are correct in that there are no guarantees, and that liberty is a dangerous thing....but you can manage risk when it comes to accepting refugees into your nation. I do think that stopping immigration for a while should be looked at because if you keep flooding the nation with people who don't understand/respect the nation then eventually you have no nation. I think America needs time to assimilate some of it's new citizens.
That said Arab nations should be expected to take care of their people. Those fleeing Syria (and in reality there are some actually fleeing Syria, but a lot are just other immigrants) are Arab, and being Arab you'd figure that in a nice, peaceful religion like Islam (which is the main religion in these Arab nations) the religious brothers and sisters of these refugees would welcome them into their nations with open arms....this has not been the case and it certainly makes me worry more. What aren't we being told? Why wouldn't Arab nations help out? Why must America and Europe shoulder this burden alone? Wouldn't it be a better fit? Wouldn't there be LESS of a culture shock?
Beanz, why do you think Arab nations are refusing to open their doors to these refugees?
The Pilgrims left from a land where they were persecuted in order to start their own nation in a land that wasn't yet inhabited by Anglo-Saxons and where land was widely available. If the refugees are indeed looking for a place where they will not be persecuted, that's fine, but there's a price to pay for that (they have to follow our laws).
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Who says they are not following the laws. If one breaks the law does that mean all of them do? Show some common sense.
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imma read this in a bit, i come back with an answer shortly
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El Kabong
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Greenbeanz
I am in no way lumping you in with Brockton but the world does not come with Guarantees of no risk. Risk is part of liberty. Are you going to stop all immigration because there is a threat of criminals immigrating ? Are you going to stop American citizens owning guns because a small minority may go on a rampage and kill more than a terrorist? Of course not. Then how can you apply the same illogical rhetoric to refugees fleeing a regime that they have no arms to fight against ?
The Pilgrim fathers left from these shores only a couple of miles from where I am now, in search of religious freedom, and now you are suggesting that it is somehow Mentally disordered for anyone to believe in liberation from persecution?
Thank you, that is greatly appreciated.
You are correct in that there are no guarantees, and that liberty is a dangerous thing....but you can manage risk when it comes to accepting refugees into your nation. I do think that stopping immigration for a while should be looked at because if you keep flooding the nation with people who don't understand/respect the nation then eventually you have no nation. I think America needs time to assimilate some of it's new citizens.
That said Arab nations should be expected to take care of their people. Those fleeing Syria (and in reality there are some actually fleeing Syria, but a lot are just other immigrants) are Arab, and being Arab you'd figure that in a nice, peaceful religion like Islam (which is the main religion in these Arab nations) the religious brothers and sisters of these refugees would welcome them into their nations with open arms....this has not been the case and it certainly makes me worry more. What aren't we being told? Why wouldn't Arab nations help out? Why must America and Europe shoulder this burden alone? Wouldn't it be a better fit? Wouldn't there be LESS of a culture shock?
Beanz, why do you think Arab nations are refusing to open their doors to these refugees?
The Pilgrims left from a land where they were persecuted in order to start their own nation in a land that wasn't yet inhabited by Anglo-Saxons and where land was widely available. If the refugees are indeed looking for a place where they will not be persecuted, that's fine, but there's a price to pay for that (they have to follow our laws).
Many Arab nations are not helping because they have supported Assad and his regime and other vested arms interests which are served by escalating conflict. Despite this half are in Turkey because of it's border but Iran has not taken any which is no surprise considering they backed Assad. There are many in Jordan and Lebanon (Which is of course not Islamic/Arab only). The other reason is because they are more like US than Arabs. They are whiter, like Brockton, and so Europe is more appealing to them than many Arab countries where they fear further persecution. We have a few thousand here in the UK and yet the million plus in Turkey and Lebanon is not even remarked upon. The media focus on what suits their agenda.
Syrian refugees: Which countries welcome them - CNN.com
So the TRUTH is America and Europe are not shouldering the majority of the burden at all. 1/4 million have returned to Iraq and yet again you don't see that on the news. Like America the Syrian secular legal system and much of it's framework was based on french law and the republicanism which framed your constitution. Assad has used religion as a weapon but Syrians like the much used example of Steve Jobs are not surprisingly drawn to secular countries in which their education and expertise can be used fruitfully. So following your laws will not be a problem for them. (Not that you followed any of the Native Americans :-\)
The real bogeyman is heading corrupt corporations and Government think tanks in your and my country, whilst profiting massively from an unjust war killing civilians rather than an enemy they armed. If the Turks stopped buying Oil from Isil and the UK and America stopped selling arms to the Saudis, the middle east would already become more stable and the factions could at least have decisive wars not infinitely prolonged by outside factors.
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1 in 5 of us are Chinese.
That statement has opened my eyes. ;)
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It's kind true, but they taking stuff to a next level here by saying 1 out of 4 women getting raped its bullshit. Sure i read about foreigner raping swedish girls, and the reason: Swedish girls wear no clothes and its tempting... a lot of them say... it happens but it isn't a daily thing...
I also known girls who slept with people while drunkish/drunk or really horny and regret it the day after and report is as rape...
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Not that you followed any of the Native Americans :-\
Thanks, I'll not disagree with you again Beanz.
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This isnt Muslim its cultural.. and the source is what the others I used drew from.
Im not sure but its my bet that if you looked hard into Sth Africas figures Im sort of betting the Zulu areas around Johannesburg would have a much higher rate of this compared with the Corsa areas down around Capetown.
Do you know some fuckwits would point the finger at me over that and say Im racist. Its culture and these men need to be reeducated on it before being let in here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_st...012,_world.jpg
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These were our streets the other week. The Somalians dont leave their wars at home they bring them here.
This isnt Muslim practice, its in their culture its in their upbringing.
They need reeducating on our boarders at the point of entry.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...ford-melbourne
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I agree mate there are some bleeding heart liberal liberals who are way too hasty to point the finger and play the race card,,……… it is just too easy to do and so totally politically correct
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three Somalis in Kuala Lumpur who lived in a building adjacent to one I was living in while teaching there for 2 years were arrested for causing BEDLAM AND VIOLENT MAYHEM in a cell phone store. Because the vendor was a Malaysian Muslim the Somalis believed that he should have given them a discount. When he would not give them the discount one pulled out a machete and begin chopping the glass showcase. I had just left the area an hour before the next thing I know three somalis are rounded up and brought to immigration and deported.
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I agree mate there are some bleeding heart liberal liberals who are way too hasty to point the finger and play the race card,,……… it is just too easy to do and so totally politically correct
That is hugely dishonest of you Brockton. The only one here who uses the race card is you. Nigh on every day. You cant help telling us how you are Armenian. How your foreign students are lucky to have you. How your family were immigrants. How many languages you speak. You even repeatedly reply to posters in their own language, it's fucking nauseating. Your over compensation is embarrassing.
Absolutely nobody here would call Andre a racist for saying what he has, but you would like to believe that they would, so that you could remind us of how cultured and knowledgeable you are, whilst still being a real man not afraid to call Anglo Saxons pigs and rats. You have started idiot guide threads now so condescending have you become.
