Who is the best and worst of britains 12 world champions?

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"No he wasnt the greatest but for a brief moment like when Douglas beat Tyson he was the recognised best and lineal heavyweight champ of the world you mug."


Ok, and the difference between those 2 fights above and Fury v Wlad AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME is?
Not "after his next fight" or "if he does this" or "when he does that".
Yet you say "DeGale hasn't done this and Brook hasn't done that." YOU MUG HYPOCRITE! 😂😂


"I get embarassed reading some of the crap you come out with. Anyone new to this forum will think your as thick as fuck.

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Ha ha, funny that , but it's not the impression I get from the PM's I receive or those "likes" I get when I show you up, that you get all paranoid and pissy about! 😂😂😂
You fucking absolute Baby!

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You show me up!!

Id suggest that those who are PM ing you are just as thick as yourself and are too gutless to even say whatever your little scaredy cat messages supporting each other against big scarey Ross in the open:rolleyes:

If your too thck to realise, Fury wasnt a massive underdog like Spinks and Douglas and Wlad didnt come in under prepared or fat. Those who know what they are talking about knew Tyson was going to win or at least give Wlad lots of major problems hence why the fight had so much interest. He tried every trick in the book to get the upper hand but failed because Tyson is too good.

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Yep, guys, that is what a Complete prick sounds like above!!😂😂😂
So when Douglas and Spinks won their fights, Ali and Tyson were unprepared and fat, but Wlad wasn't old was he?
Knobhead!

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Was he old when he flattened Pulev? When he went to America and won almost every round against Americas best challenger?;D

You utter helmet:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Was Tyson unprepared or fat when he KO'd Williams in round 1? And was Ali Old,unprepared and fat when he beat Earnie Shavers? Same difference you sap.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

My list in order:

1. Brook
2. DeGale
3. Frampton
4. Selby
5. Flanagan
6. Fury
7. Saunders
8. Quigg
9. McDonnell
10. Crolla
11. Smith
12. Haskins

I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.

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I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.

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Are you fuckng mental!

Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!

He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!

Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\

Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D

Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!

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"No he wasnt the greatest but for a brief moment like when Douglas beat Tyson he was the recognised best and lineal heavyweight champ of the world you mug."


Ok, and the difference between those 2 fights above and Fury v Wlad AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME is?
Not "after his next fight" or "if he does this" or "when he does that".
Yet you say "DeGale hasn't done this and Brook hasn't done that." YOU MUG HYPOCRITE! ������������


"I get embarassed reading some of the crap you come out with. Anyone new to this forum will think your as thick as fuck.

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Ha ha, funny that , but it's not the impression I get from the PM's I receive or those "likes" I get when I show you up, that you get all paranoid and pissy about! ������������������
You fucking absolute Baby!

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You show me up!!

Id suggest that those who are PM ing you are just as thick as yourself and are too gutless to even say whatever your little scaredy cat messages supporting each other against big scarey Ross in the open:rolleyes:

If your too thck to realise, Fury wasnt a massive underdog like Spinks and Douglas and Wlad didnt come in under prepared or fat. Those who know what they are talking about knew Tyson was going to win or at least give Wlad lots of major problems hence why the fight had so much interest. He tried every trick in the book to get the upper hand but failed because Tyson is too good.

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Yep, guys, that is what a Complete prick sounds like above!!������������������
So when Douglas and Spinks won their fights, Ali and Tyson were unprepared and fat, but Wlad wasn't old was he?
Knobhead!

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Was he old when he flattened Pulev? When he went to America and won almost every round against Americas best challenger?;D

You utter helmet:rolleyes:

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Was Tyson unprepared or fat when he KO'd Williams in round 1? And was Ali Old,unprepared and fat when he beat Earnie Shavers? Same difference you sap.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You are wasting space in here.

This forum has gone downhill with you muppets.

The fact they can still get wins over fringe contenders is just testiment to their level as fighters.

You just talk utter shit!

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I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.

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Are you fuckng mental!

Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!

He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!

Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\

Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D

Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!

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I was pretty well supporting your arguement, my point was that it isn't fair to compare HW's with smaller men as they are always more "talented". Ofc Judah wasn't half as great as those guys, but he was more physically gifted and skilled, as virtually any good welterweight is, it was just a random example and I'm on a bender, pshhhaaahh Ross.

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I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.

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Are you fuckng mental!

Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!

He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!

Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\

Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D

Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!

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I was pretty well supporting your arguement, my point was that it isn't fair to compare HW's with smaller men as they are always more "talented". Ofc Judah wasn't half as great as those guys, but he was more physically gifted and skilled, as virtually any good welterweight is, it was just a random example and I'm on a bender, pshhhaaahh Ross.

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Dont post and drink.

Im drinking but at home waiting for my missus to get her ass in gear!

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I think Brook would beat Pacquiao now, he's probably my pick, but impossible to say really. I do think you have to put a lot of stock in Fury having the best win and being the only recognized champ though, that's a solid argument. As overall talents, Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield weren't half as good as Zab Judah. It's never fair to rate HW's next to smaller guys on skill/athleticism alone.

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Are you fuckng mental!

Zab Judah has nothing on Holyfield or Lewis!!

He is still most well known for that dance against Tszyu!

Jeezus! I cant believe some of the comments in here:-\

Talent doesnt just mean being able to punch fast;D

Being tough is a talent. Over coming other fighters attributes is a talent blah blah blah I could go on. Those who know what they are talking about will know what I mean and that Zab being twice as good as Lewis and Holyfield is a ridiculous statement!

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I was pretty well supporting your arguement, my point was that it isn't fair to compare HW's with smaller men as they are always more "talented". Ofc Judah wasn't half as great as those guys, but he was more physically gifted and skilled, as virtually any good welterweight is, it was just a random example and I'm on a bender, pshhhaaahh Ross.

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Dont post and drink.

Im drinking but at home waiting for my missus to get her ass in gear!

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It wasn't anything outlandish I said, just you overreacting as usual. Drink more and post, maybe you'd be more fun:p

Zab is mediocre that is all.....

If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D

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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D

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Yes he has skills.

Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!

Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.

Smith doesn't seem to get the love he deserves

Flanagan is the most underrated. His two round destruction of Magdaleno was arguably the most impressive looking performance last year. He looked superb.

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I think Smith will get better as he fights better opposition as he always seems just to do enough to win and looks like he can go up through the gears if he needs to.

I know hes a world champion but Frank Warren is ruining his career. Look at the awful names on his rec in 22 fights. Hes barely fought a European level fighter let alone world level.

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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D

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Yes he has skills.

Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!

Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.

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Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.

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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D

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Yes he has skills.

Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!

Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.

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Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.

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Ok, by saying making him 3" shorter that he wouldnt have the same success is not degrading his skills?

Tyson didnt beat Wlad by being big. He beat him with movement exactly like I said he would. Wlad also didnt get old. His feet were quick but he didnt want to get in punching range and combined with Tysons speed and movement it gave Wlad no chance and ended up looking pretty much as I said it would like Clay v Liston.

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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D

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Yes he has skills.

Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!

Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.

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Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.

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Ok, by saying making him 3" shorter that he wouldnt have the same success is not degrading his skills?

Tyson didnt beat Wlad by being big. He beat him with movement exactly like I said he would. Wlad also didnt get old. His feet were quick but he didnt want to get in punching range and combined with Tysons speed and movement it gave Wlad no chance and ended up looking pretty much as I said it would like Clay v Liston.

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Yeah, except Clay threw more punches in 1 round than Fury and Wlad combined in the whole fight! 😏

Ross - of course Fury wouldnt be as good if he was 3 inches shorter. Thats not degrading at all its just common sense. A heavyweight will never match a welterweight in terms of skill. Hes carrying much more weight and will never move as fluently or as gracefully. Just like a welter is never going to have the punching power of a heavy or have to worry about every opponent having the power to hurt you.

Fury threw enough to win the round to beat Wlad but the former champions output was very low. Wlad looked confused and bewildered in the fight as if his mind was on something else. It was a bad performance by Wlad but so glad Fury won the title.

I hope the rematch is in UK.

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If he had been exactly the same fighter only 6'6 and 230 pounds, do you think he would have been? It just doesn't work. I was in favour of Fury getting the nod for this reason, surely that shouldn't garner your criticism ;D

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Yes he has skills.

Look at Wach! He has size and steroids and still cant do fuck all!

Tyson has excellent skills, stamina, movement and roughhousing old man tricks. Hes not just big like you would all like to think to try and discredit him.

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Ross you have lost it mate. p4pking is not trying to discredit the average but freakishly big underpowered chinny Tyson Fury at all.

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Ok, by saying making him 3" shorter that he wouldnt have the same success is not degrading his skills?

Tyson didnt beat Wlad by being big. He beat him with movement exactly like I said he would. Wlad also didnt get old. His feet were quick but he didnt want to get in punching range and combined with Tysons speed and movement it gave Wlad no chance and ended up looking pretty much as I said it would like Clay v Liston.

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Yeah, except Clay threw more punches in 1 round than Fury and Wlad combined in the whole fight! 😏

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Fury had a more dangerous opponent in front of him.

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Ross - of course Fury wouldnt be as good if he was 3 inches shorter. Thats not degrading at all its just common sense. A heavyweight will never match a welterweight in terms of skill. Hes carrying much more weight and will never move as fluently or as gracefully. Just like a welter is never going to have the punching power of a heavy or have to worry about every opponent having the power to hurt you.

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Why? What 6,6" heavies are there that have Furys other attributes? Like movement, speed, combination punching and stamina?:rolleyes:

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Fury threw enough to win the round to beat Wlad but the former champions output was very low. Wlad looked confused and bewildered in the fight as if his mind was on something else. It was a bad performance by Wlad but so glad Fury won the title.

I hope the rematch is in UK.

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His mind was on not getting caught amd bewildered is right. Hes never faced anyone who can move like Tyson. Only when he knew the clock was runnng down in the 12th did he start throwing caution to the wind.

Not sure about any of those answers, but I can't be fucked to copy all those quotes in and make a 3 million word post.
Out of Curiousity Ross, what are your thoughts on the rumour doing the rounds in Europe that Wlad threw the fight? ;D

Its easier for a fighter to land a jab when he has a height advantage. Furys movement is based on being able to land from distance. Being the same size as his opponent makes this harder. If he was shorter then Wlad he would have to get inside as Wlad would likely land the punches from outside making it harder for Fury to win.

Its not degrading him, hes trained his abilities to suit his physical attributes. Its like saying Whittaker wouldnt be as good as he was if he didnt have good reflexes!

David Haye moves better then Fury in my opinion and has better boxing skills. In saying that he wont beat Wlad (and possibly Fury) because hes too small.

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Its easier for a fighter to land a jab when he has a height advantage. Furys movement is based on being able to land from distance. Being the same size as his opponent makes this harder. If he was shorter then Wlad he would have to get inside as Wlad would likely land the punches from outside making it harder for Fury to win.

Its not degrading him, hes trained his abilities to suit his physical attributes. Its like saying Whittaker wouldnt be as good as he was if he didnt have good reflexes!

David Haye moves better then Fury in my opinion and has better boxing skills. In saying that he wont beat Wlad (and possibly Fury) because hes too small.

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Haye would never beat Wlad because he's not good enough not because hes too small. He managedto get a decision against 7,2" Valuev!! Because Valuev was awfull!

It really is a sort of British invasion not seen since perhaps the late 80’s and early 90’s and perhaps more dominant an invasion with a pretty deep pool in waiting.

These will come in no real order but I do think Brook is the best of the lot.


Brook-In my view the class of the field. The whole field not just Britain. Once again though he’s just not being active enough. He might be a little lazy and in it for the money. He could also just be a victim of this getting a belt is enough era. Can’t even get a Khan fight done. Could be more about Khan knowing he gets messed up. Talent wasting away sitting around. Thanks for the blue print Floyd.

Degale-Eye test wise he might be the most talented but I think he’s a little vacant upstairs and maybe a little prone to melt down and as a result could get beat by guys he shouldn’t get beat by. Having said that he sure showed up against Dirrell. Perhaps that loss to Groves did have some long term effects upstairs. I have visions of him falling apart though. Its still a fairly deep division but again with champions that do not seem keen on sorting it out. Definitely a division top 5.

Quigg-Tidy fighter in my view and I reckon he stops Frampton. . I’d love to see Rigo and him tie one on. Quigg reminds me of Roman Gonzalez a little with his offense and punch selection. I think he makes Rigo fight and opens it up. Nice style clash imo. Would also like to see a Santa Cruz showdown. Scott is in the top 3 in the world at 122

Saunders-I was really impressed with the Lee fight. I saw a side of Saunders I was a little blinded by which was his solid D. Head movement, slipping punches, lateral movement, shoulder rolling etc* etc and some real tricky shots and counters delivered. I hope he fights the Kazak but he has to want to or its all for not. If he wants to wait and milk it a bit so be it. That kid with the famous dad is going to come callin.He's also a top 3 in the world guy at 160. Love to see him and Jacobs. Wide open division outside of Genghis Golovkin.

Smith-He’s a pretty good fighter but he’s in a fairly top heavy division. He may beat the Trouts and Clotteys of the world but I don’t see him sticking with the Charlo's, Andrade or Lara. He’s in tough over the long haul. Tough solid guy but I don't see him as a world beater

Crolla-An overachiever. Lightweight looks competitive but its not all that deep. Another British showdown between him and Flanagan beckons but he’s got an optional I think so that’s one that could build. I'd go with Terry in a unification. The top 5 or so are pretty steady at 135 and really it’s a division that could change title holders a lot.

Selby- Diamond in the ruff this kid. Power is not imperative but he looks like a guy that should have more of it. Skills pay the bills though and he's pretty savvy in that ring. Pretty deep weight area. We want to see the best fight the best and sort it out. Loma, Cruz(assuming he does not go back down), Russell Jr, whoever. Its another fairly good div that seems dormant.

Frampton-He's in the top 3 to 5 of his division I believe but he kind of hangs his face in front of his body and he has not looked like the same guy as he was pre Martinez. He looked a little befuddled against Gonzalez but in fairness, that kid would trouble anyone in the division. I don't think he gets off the floor twice against Quigg to win on points. I think Quigg gets him in trouble and stops him. I'm pleasantly surprised that they were able to pull this one off. Its got the makings of a great trilogy.

Flanagan-I think he beats Anthony and likewise probably anybody else at 135 presently. He's a big kid and I'd wager he has issues making weight. He might be the toughest guy in the division also but he's beatable too. I doubt Matthews holds out in February but he's a live spoiler fighting in his home town.

McDonnell-I believe him to be the best bantam out there including Payano and Haskins. Not sure how he maintains 118 on that lanky frame but its certainly an advantage. A unification and rematch with Haskins is another natural.

Haskins-I think he's a top 3 to 5 guy and already beat McDonnell once but what he has against him is age. 32 isn't old these days given the activity levels but its a candle burning at both ends weight class. Maybe he's got Jamies number over 12 rounds. Their previous fight was pretty close.

Fury-We can’t downplay what he accomplished but we can’t take it into the stratosphere either. Yes he beat the REAL heavyweight champion but it’s the same heavyweight champion that has been ridiculed for both his legacy and how he attained it for the last 10 years. Yes on paper he’s the heavyweight champion of the world but he most likely gets beat by half of the men Wlad beat because their size and movement won’t be a perfect storm like Wlad was for his body type and style. It’s that simple. If he fought like the guy he just beat, he might beat those shorter busier guys that Wlad did. I don't think he beats Povetkin or Haye. He's as tailor made for them as Wlad was for him. He has the tin but he’s not the best heavyweight. You also have to consider the division itself. He gets bonus points for breathing life into the festivities that’s for sure. That might be the most historic thing about it. Its fragmentation. He says what he means and means what he says and that's refreshing. No party line for this fella. I look forward to see if he's a one hit wonder or not.

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Its easier for a fighter to land a jab when he has a height advantage. Furys movement is based on being able to land from distance. Being the same size as his opponent makes this harder. If he was shorter then Wlad he would have to get inside as Wlad would likely land the punches from outside making it harder for Fury to win.

Its not degrading him, hes trained his abilities to suit his physical attributes. Its like saying Whittaker wouldnt be as good as he was if he didnt have good reflexes!

David Haye moves better then Fury in my opinion and has better boxing skills. In saying that he wont beat Wlad (and possibly Fury) because hes too small.

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Haye would never beat Wlad because he's not good enough not because hes too small. He managedto get a decision against 7,2" Valuev!! Because Valuev was awfull!

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So would Floyd not beat Wlad because hes not good enough? Not because hes too small!

Obviously you have no reason when it comes to Fury so Ill just leave it there.

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Fury-We can’t downplay what he accomplished but we can’t take it into the stratosphere either. Yes he beat the REAL heavyweight champion but it’s the same heavyweight champion that has been ridiculed for both his legacy and how he attained it for the last 10 years. Yes on paper he’s the heavyweight champion of the world but he most likely gets beat by half of the men Wlad beat because their size and movement won’t be a perfect storm like Wlad was for his body type and style. It’s that simple. If he fought like the guy he just beat, he might beat those shorter busier guys that Wlad did. I don't think he beats Povetkin or Haye. He's as tailor made for them as Wlad was for him. He has the tin but he’s not the best heavyweight. You also have to consider the division itself. He gets bonus points for breathing life into the festivities that’s for sure. That might be the most historic thing about it. Its fragmentation. He says what he means and means what he says and that's refreshing. No party line for this fella. I look forward to see if he's a one hit wonder or not.

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A one hit wonder doesnt do what he did to the letter of how people thought he would win. Wlad didnt come in out of shape or underprepared. Povetkin and Haye are done on the world stage. Good name defences they may be for someone but I wouldnt be surprised if both lose before Tyson even has his rematch with Wlad.

Its insane how much Tyson is detested. You all cant stand him so much you think it was a fluke, a one hit wonder! What he did was sublime.

He will also be the only Britain to unify and become undisputed.

Maybe that will be by accident as well?;D

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Its easier for a fighter to land a jab when he has a height advantage. Furys movement is based on being able to land from distance. Being the same size as his opponent makes this harder. If he was shorter then Wlad he would have to get inside as Wlad would likely land the punches from outside making it harder for Fury to win.

Its not degrading him, hes trained his abilities to suit his physical attributes. Its like saying Whittaker wouldnt be as good as he was if he didnt have good reflexes!

David Haye moves better then Fury in my opinion and has better boxing skills. In saying that he wont beat Wlad (and possibly Fury) because hes too small.

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Haye would never beat Wlad because he's not good enough not because hes too small. He managedto get a decision against 7,2" Valuev!! Because Valuev was awfull!

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So would Floyd not beat Wlad because hes not good enough? Not because hes too small!

Obviously you have no reason when it comes to Fury so Ill just leave it there.

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Wlad is very very good.

Floyd would probably have a good shot of beating Valuev!

Ross people don't detest Fury, they are just being balanced and reasonable in their appraisal of his abilities. You may not agree but the further over the top you go the less credence your opinion gathers.

You have IamInuit's usual excellent breakdown of individual British fighters and all you can do is accuse him of hating Fury, when the guy is watching from Canada. Why would he hate Fury?

What are your thoughts on anyone but Fury? All you ever talk about is Fury and Eubank Jr. Imagine if I crowed as much as you do because most people thought Saunders would be a feather fisted flash in the pan when I was insisting he was the real deal years ago.

It's a boxing forum not the Fury fanclub.

It's pretty clear the majority of us regard Brook as no.1

Hardly surprising considering he doesn't just pass the skill/talent test he is also one of the major players in the deepest division in world boxing.