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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I cannot believe how many people have jumped on the "Amir Khan is a high class quality Boxer" bandwagon, even to the extent that apparently Garcia doesn't want the fight!
Tell me, wtf has Garcia got to worry about? I've heard nonsense like:
"in the first fight , Khan was accumulating rounds" - really ? Garcia plugged him in the 2nd Round and KO'd him in the 4th . Accumulating rounds my ass!
"Khan will outbox him and Garcia will be bloodied and stopped" - When has Garcia been stopped?
"Garcia doesn't want the fight" - Why wouldn't he want the fight? he knocked the cunt out last time.
"Garcia will give up his title" - What? why would he give up his title against someone who has no proven power in this division. he's hardly likely to be scared is he? if he gave up his title, he gives up the potential to be an elite fighter in the division and earn optimum money. he's gonna do that because of Khan? come on.
"Khan will keep Garcia away for 12 rounds" - answer me this ? if Khan is such a technically gifted boxer, how come he couldn't stop Chris Algieri coming forward at him and running him down?
Not Floyd, not Manny, not an elite fighter, but a fighter who had been floored 8, yes 8 times in his 2 previous fights. Khan made him look like a World beater!
I suggest people scrutinise Khan's record very carefully before they start elevating him to God Like Status! :rolleyes:
Dude, don't get me wrong. I am not high on Khan by a long shot and think he can sometimes be a very stupid boxer, but there is no denying that he wins most of the rounds he is in and he was beating Garcia last time out. That is just reality. It is also reality that he got stopped badly. He is very difficult to outbox because he is just so busy, but he can be caught and typically does get caught.
In saying that I think Garcia has heavy feet and he can be outboxed by people who are far less naturally talented than Khan. That is why it is a great fight. Garcia has the KO already and is smarter, whereas Khan has the output and speed. It's just a good blend of styles and the fact that both fighters are flawed makes it fun.
I want to see Bradley against Khan, but if Khan is willing to face a demon or two, then that is cool for the time being. I wish he would shut up about Floyd being scared though. Stay active and fight, you silly sausage.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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Just a question. How much do people think Khan will earn for fighting Garcia?
Bearing in mind that Garcia is champ, Khan is the Challenger, I wonder. Million dollars maybe? Less? Interesting.
Khan will avenge his loss, win a title, and have better bargaining for the fight with Brooks. Makes sense in every way.
theres also just as much chance of him losing and having less bargaining power
id like to see khan fight Garcia because I think he will beat him this time, but it makes more financial sense to fight brook next
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I think you might be right.
Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV
I'm not sure how you read the article and put that spin on it?
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
Garcia's KO of Khan is probably my most watched YouTube clip, whenever I've had a shitty day or am just feeling a little down I put that on and before I know it I'm grinning like a fucking cheshire cat.
Khan has no doubt improved since he has been with Virgil but I will watch in the hope that one of those left hooks smashes into his jaw again and puts him on jelly legs like last time
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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Just a question. How much do people think Khan will earn for fighting Garcia?
Bearing in mind that Garcia is champ, Khan is the Challenger, I wonder. Million dollars maybe? Less? Interesting.
Khan will avenge his loss, win a title, and have better bargaining for the fight with Brooks. Makes sense in every way.
How much?
Probably not as much as if he fought Brooks but the fight would be worth more to him when they fight. If that makes sense.
ok, here's the thing . last year , Khan fought Algieri and his purse was $700k (about £500k.) he had been offered £5 Million to fight Brook. so he chose a non-title fight for 10% of what Hearn offered.
fast forward to now, we know Hearn has offered 60% of a £12 Million purse, that's £7.2 million (over $10 million) Khan wants an 80-20 split.
Khan is scheduled to fight Garcia for a title. bearing in mind what he got in his last fight, and that he is the challenger, and add quite a bit because it's for a title, and it's conceivable (albeit generous)to think that Khan's share of the purse will double to $1.4 million (about £1 million). That's about 14% of what Hearn is offering!
so it's looking like twice Khan is turning down Brook to take relative peanuts instead. so, if this is some sort of business decision to get him more money, I ask , would any of you make that decision?
Last year , Khan could've beat Brook, then if there was a rematch , could've commanded double the money as the champ , and won that . He would be £15 million better off , be a World champion and probably be the "A-side" in any fight negotiations with anyone in the division.
so now tell me that his decision makes sense in any way, shape or form?
to be honest, I don't even want Brook to fight Khan, I would let him rot. What Brook should do is try to make the fight with Garcia in the UK or the States. if he wins that, not only is he the main player in the division, but who would Khan fight.
I seriously think if that happened, Khan would retire, bellyaching that Floyd , Manny , Garcia & Brook had all avoided him .
Khan is so deluded that I seriously question his mental state if I'm honest.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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Just a question. How much do people think Khan will earn for fighting Garcia?
Bearing in mind that Garcia is champ, Khan is the Challenger, I wonder. Million dollars maybe? Less? Interesting.
Khan will avenge his loss, win a title, and have better bargaining for the fight with Brooks. Makes sense in every way.
How much?
Probably not as much as if he fought Brooks but the fight would be worth more to him when they fight. If that makes sense.
ok, here's the thing . last year , Khan fought Algieri and his purse was $700k (about £500k.) he had been offered £5 Million to fight Brook. so he chose a non-title fight for 10% of what Hearn offered.
fast forward to now, we know Hearn has offered 60% of a £12 Million purse, that's £7.2 million (over $10 million) Khan wants an 80-20 split.
Khan is scheduled to fight Garcia for a title. bearing in mind what he got in his last fight, and that he is the challenger, and add quite a bit because it's for a title, and it's conceivable (albeit generous)to think that Khan's share of the purse will double to $1.4 million (about £1 million). That's about 14% of what Hearn is offering!
so it's looking like twice Khan is turning down Brook to take relative peanuts instead. so, if this is some sort of business decision to get him more money, I ask , would any of you make that decision?
Last year , Khan could've beat Brook, then if there was a rematch , could've commanded double the money as the champ , and won that . He would be £15 million better off , be a World champion and probably be the "A-side" in any fight negotiations with anyone in the division.
so now tell me that his decision makes sense in any way, shape or form?
to be honest, I don't even want Brook to fight Khan, I would let him rot. What Brook should do is try to make the fight with Garcia in the UK or the States. if he wins that, not only is he the main player in the division, but who would Khan fight.
I seriously think if that happened, Khan would retire, bellyaching that Floyd , Manny , Garcia & Brook had all avoided him .
Khan is so deluded that I seriously question his mental state if I'm honest.
not that I know how much people get for shit but I reckon khan Garcia is a miles bigger fight than khan algeri, specially considering the history, so its possible that khan will get a fair bit more than $1.5
but it will still be nowhere near as much as he would get to fight brook (like you pointed out)
if he loses to Garcia then the amount he would get for fighting brook would probably come down a fair bit
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
I hear what you're saying Eric, but I would be interested to hear from someone on here from over the States to see our figures are realistic. see I reckon that in the U.S. they only earn decent money at the top , top end. I'd be intrigued , for example to know what Thurman and Porter will be earning , cos that's a good yardstick.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
Glad Khan is fighting Garcia. Very necessary for me. Khan has balls. Garcia really fucked him up last time. Have always liked both fighters. Hope Khan wins though.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
Garcia is an easier fight than Brooks for khan. Simple game of percentages, khan has been playing since he left Roach.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
FLOYD MAYWEATHER JABS AMIR KHAN; TELLS HIM TO FIGHT KELL BROOK: "MAKE $300 MILLION...THEN WE CAN TALK"
"Well, I don't really know what was told to the world about what happened, but it was just fun and games. You know, no hard feelings. No disrespect. I just shot a couple of jabs at him to let him know that there's only one king. That was it basically. Nothing really more than that," stated retired undefeated former pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather, who recalled his verbal exchange with former world champion Amir Khan during last Saturday's clash between Danny Garcia and Robert Guerrero. Although their encounter was brief, Mayweather made it clear to Khan that he's wasting his time if he's still chasing after a lucrative payday and his pound-for-pound throne.
"I just let him basically know that there's only one king. The only Amir I know is my son, you know, Koraun Amir Mayweather. My son's a young king on the rise. Right now, he's a prince because the king is still here. The king is still on the throne and he's still dictating and moving the way that he wants to move. He's still helping people and supporting people and that's what a king does. He helps his team grow and get to a certain point. I basically just told Amir Khan, 'You know, when you can make $300 million in one night, get in touch with Al and then we can talk. Until then, PYP! Play your position!'," Mayweather explained before landing one more jab on Khan during a recent conversation with FightHype.com.
"It's crazy how fighters seem to forget. This is the same fighter that was working in the boxing gym with my uncle Roger some years back and I was trying to help give him some pointers. I think he was sponsored by Reebok at that particular time. Then I think he lost a couple bouts and Reebok said they had to move on in another direction, and you know which way they came," he added. "I think he's a really, really good fighter. I think Danny Garcia is a very good fighter. I think right now for boxing, for the UK fans, Kell Brook and Amir Khan would be a good fight. Kell Brook, he's a guy that everyone is sleeping on."
http://www.fighthype.com/mayweathern...ght_brook.html
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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Fuck off Floyd.
He is going to linger around and keep attention on himself.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I cannot believe how many people have jumped on the "Amir Khan is a high class quality Boxer" bandwagon, even to the extent that apparently Garcia doesn't want the fight!
Tell me, wtf has Garcia got to worry about? I've heard nonsense like:
"in the first fight , Khan was accumulating rounds" - really ? Garcia plugged him in the 2nd Round and KO'd him in the 4th . Accumulating rounds my ass!
"Khan will outbox him and Garcia will be bloodied and stopped" - When has Garcia been stopped?
"Garcia doesn't want the fight" - Why wouldn't he want the fight? he knocked the cunt out last time.
"Garcia will give up his title" - What? why would he give up his title against someone who has no proven power in this division. he's hardly likely to be scared is he? if he gave up his title, he gives up the potential to be an elite fighter in the division and earn optimum money. he's gonna do that because of Khan? come on.
"Khan will keep Garcia away for 12 rounds" - answer me this ? if Khan is such a technically gifted boxer, how come he couldn't stop Chris Algieri coming forward at him and running him down?
Not Floyd, not Manny, not an elite fighter, but a fighter who had been floored 8, yes 8 times in his 2 previous fights. Khan made him look like a World beater!
I suggest people scrutinise Khan's record very carefully before they start elevating him to God Like Status! :rolleyes:
Garcias Dad interviewed saying they dont want the fight and said even though its been ordered the fight isnt happening. Obviously you have to take what he says with a pinch of salt but it looks pretty clear they are trying to find a different option.
In the interview he explained they did not want the fight because the 1st was a complete mismatch :D Khan won round 1 and opened a cut in round 2. He got tagged in round 3 and never recovered. After round 2 Khan was a 50s on fav for the fight.
You obviously dont like Khan thats fair enough. I think hes an exceptional boxer but his chin and machismo lets him down sometimes. Getting a handle of that and he can beat anyone. Garcia has a punchers chance against him, thats all in my opinion. Obviously against Khan a punchers chance is better than against most other fighters but still have Khan as the strong fav.
Again its been ordered by the WBC so it should happen. The only reason it wouldnt is Garcia ducking him. Can we agree on that much? Its worth more money than any other fight in the division bar Floyd and Pac so I suppose if he dropped the title to fight one of them it would be acceptable.
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I cannot believe how many people have jumped on the "Amir Khan is a high class quality Boxer" bandwagon, even to the extent that apparently Garcia doesn't want the fight!
Tell me, wtf has Garcia got to worry about? I've heard nonsense like:
"in the first fight , Khan was accumulating rounds" - really ? Garcia plugged him in the 2nd Round and KO'd him in the 4th . Accumulating rounds my ass!
"Khan will outbox him and Garcia will be bloodied and stopped" - When has Garcia been stopped?
"Garcia doesn't want the fight" - Why wouldn't he want the fight? he knocked the cunt out last time.
"Garcia will give up his title" - What? why would he give up his title against someone who has no proven power in this division. he's hardly likely to be scared is he? if he gave up his title, he gives up the potential to be an elite fighter in the division and earn optimum money. he's gonna do that because of Khan? come on.
"Khan will keep Garcia away for 12 rounds" - answer me this ? if Khan is such a technically gifted boxer, how come he couldn't stop Chris Algieri coming forward at him and running him down?
Not Floyd, not Manny, not an elite fighter, but a fighter who had been floored 8, yes 8 times in his 2 previous fights. Khan made him look like a World beater!
I suggest people scrutinise Khan's record very carefully before they start elevating him to God Like Status! :rolleyes:
Garcias Dad interviewed saying they dont want the fight and said even though its been ordered the fight isnt happening. Obviously you have to take what he says with a pinch of salt but it looks pretty clear they are trying to find a different option.
In the interview he explained they did not want the fight because the 1st was a complete mismatch :D Khan won round 1 and opened a cut in round 2. He got tagged in round 3 and never recovered. After round 2 Khan was a 50s on fav for the fight.
You obviously dont like Khan thats fair enough. I think hes an exceptional boxer but his chin and machismo lets him down sometimes. Getting a handle of that and he can beat anyone. Garcia has a punchers chance against him, thats all in my opinion. Obviously against Khan a punchers chance is better than against most other fighters but still have Khan as the strong fav.
Again its been ordered by the WBC so it should happen.
The only reason it wouldnt is Garcia ducking him. Can we agree on that much? Its worth more money than any other fight in the division bar Floyd and Pac so I suppose if he dropped the title to fight one of them it would be acceptable.
Actually Silks, no we can't mate. If Khan decided to fight Brook, it wouldn't go ahead. And I bet nobody would then say Khan ducked him. If Brook tried to get a unification with Garcia it probably wouldn't either.
You're right , I don't like Khan. But it's because he is so overrated by himself and many others. Also, he is throwing a career away and almost becoming a better fighter without fighting . It's bullshit really and he has an unacceptable opinion of his importance.
If you look at his career and what has actually happened IN THE RING since he lost to Prescott, it's not as outstanding as one would believe.
We'll have to agree to differ on this one.;D
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Re: Danny Garcia vs Amir Khan, ordered By WBC!
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I think you might be right.
Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV
I'm not sure how you read the article and put that spin on it?
Put what spin on it? They don't want the fight written in black and white is hardly spin.
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I agree he hasnt done anything special.
He beat Maidana which was good considering what Maidana went onto do after. He beat Judah who gave Garcia a tough fight. Felt he got robbed against Peterson. Beat Collazo which is nothing special but felt he did it more impressively than Thurman (who I fell is the most overrated in the div) and beat Devon Alexander who had previously been ducked by top fighters in the div.
I dont think anyone is debating Khan ducking Brook. Ive said it for years along with most on the forum. But if Garcia vacates it looks a clear duck to me. Porter and Thurman would be acceptable but arent available. Either is Pac or Bradley and that only really leaves Spence, Vasquez, Peterson or Vargas. Spence and Vasquez be very good fights but couldnt see Garcia taking them and Peterson and Vargas step down from Khan imo.
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Overrated?
No so special?
Excuse me but khan has beat x3 good welterweights already and completely schoooooooled alexander!
Khan has had much better competition than brook.
Khan is the A side fighter and can dictate the figures.
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Fuck off Floyd.
Lol he does have a point though. Why would he even consider Khan for 50. He kind of brought Khan down to earth. Khan got annihilated by a guy who barely beat a worn out Guerrero who Floyd shut out.
It would be bad enough if Floyd came back for Garcia.
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I think you might be right.
Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV
I'm not sure how you read the article and put that spin on it?
Put what spin on it? They don't want the fight written in black and white is hardly spin.
This is what was said.
"I don’t see nothing there,” Garcia told RingTV.com. “(If they fight) it’s going to be a repeat of the same thing again. Danny will knock Khan out. I’m not underestimating him but…I don’t want to get into the WBC politics."
Also..........
" We’re not trying to go on bad terms with nobody,” Garcia said of the WBC. “Were not trying to do that. Why would you be the champ and then vacate the belt? That’s disrespecting the boxing world. If we have to do it then we have to do what we have to do. But I’m just saying I don’t see nothing there for me. (But) we’re not going to run from anybody. We’re not scared of (Khan).”
That tells me he isn't going to duck Khan.
That's what i saw written in Black and White, what did you see?
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Action speak louder than words let's see if Garcia vacates the title, that will say it all, just as Wilder may do to avoid Povetkin.
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I agree he hasnt done anything special.
He beat Maidana which was good considering what Maidana went onto do after. He beat Judah who gave Garcia a tough fight. Felt he got robbed against Peterson. Beat Collazo which is nothing special but felt he did it more impressively than Thurman (who I fell is the most overrated in the div) and beat Devon Alexander who had previously been ducked by top fighters in the div.
I dont think anyone is debating Khan ducking Brook. Ive said it for years along with most on the forum. But if Garcia vacates it looks a clear duck to me. Porter and Thurman would be acceptable but arent available. Either is Pac or Bradley and that only really leaves Spence, Vasquez, Peterson or Vargas. Spence and Vasquez be very good fights but couldnt see Garcia taking them and Peterson and Vargas step down from Khan imo.
If you read the statement from Angel Garcia, and my post above, Garcia won't be vacating.
Maidana - was a good win, probably his best. Still nearly managed to lose it in the 10th, but he won, good win.
Judah - with all due respect everybody decent beats Judah, don't they?
Peterson - I thought it was pretty even, but the points deduction swung it Peterson's way. Agree or disagree with the points deductions , but I'd hardly call it a robbery. You have to remember , that before the fight , people thought it was a pretty routine and easy defence. So even if he won a close fight, it's hardly a great performance.
Collazo - I won't bore you with my views on that one.
Alexander - never been known as a puncher and he is not a top level fighter .he was at one time, but not when Khan beat him.
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I think you might be right.
Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV
I'm not sure how you read the article and put that spin on it?
Put what spin on it? They don't want the fight written in black and white is hardly spin.
This is what was said.
"I don’t see nothing there,” Garcia told RingTV.com. “(If they fight) it’s going to be a repeat of the same thing again.
Danny will knock Khan out. I’m not underestimating him but…I don’t want to get into the WBC politics."
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" We’re not trying to go on bad terms with nobody,” Garcia said of the WBC. “Were not trying to do that.
Why would you be the champ and then vacate the belt? That’s disrespecting the boxing world. If we have to do it then we have to do what we have to do. But I’m just saying I don’t see nothing there for me. (But)
we’re not going to run from anybody. We’re not scared of (Khan).”
That tells me he isn't going to duck Khan.
That's what i saw written in Black and White, what did you see?
Which all spells they don't want to fight him again. Its them that are producing the spin.
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Overrated? YES
No so special? YES
Excuse me but khan has beat x3 good welterweights already and completely schoooooooled alexander! His only notable victory was against Maidana.
Khan has had much better competition than brook. AGREED. but Khan has also lost to some as well. Besides, this was about Khan and Garcia. Absolutely right that Brook needs to fight a top level guy, but there's no doubt that he wants Khan more than Khan wants him.
Khan is the A side fighter and can dictate the figures.
Brook is the Champion, Khan has never been a champion at this weight and Infact hasn't been a World Champion for years. If Brook has the balls to hijack the Khan v Garcia fight and fight Garcia to unify, Khan would be fucked. Who exactly would Khan fight?
Khan would then be the "Z side" !
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Action speak louder than words let's see if Garcia vacates the title, that will say it all, just as Wilder may do to avoid Povetkin.
He just picked up Floyds vacant belt and lets not forget that this is the WBC. Garcia might not have to vacate. They might also believe that Floyd might just come back to regain that belt if Garcia remains its owner. Someones 0 has to go. I doubt Floyd fights at 147 again but I'm not the WBC. They could know something nobody else does. The WBC seems to almost protect certain fighters and find them ways out of obligations because it increases their coffers. Garcia is one of them. He got away with some junk when he was their140 champ.
Its funny because imo Khans got a better chance of beating Floyd then he does Garcia, Its a style thing. Floyds not coming to get Khan.
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Action speak louder than words let's see if Garcia vacates the title, that will say it all, just as Wilder may do to avoid Povetkin.
He just picked up Floyds vacant belt and lets not forget that this is the WBC. Garcia might not have to vacate. They might also believe that Floyd might just come back to regain that belt if Garcia remains its owner. Someones 0 has to go. I doubt Floyd fights at 147 again but I'm not the WBC. They could know something nobody else does. The WBC seems to almost protect certain fighters and find them ways out of obligations because it increases their coffers. Garcia is one of them. He got away with some junk when he was their140 champ.
Its funny because imo Khans got a better chance of beating Floyd then he does Garcia, Its a style thing. Floyds not coming to get Khan.
You could be right they may allow A voluntary defence or Floyd return which leaves Khan the bridesmaid again.
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Sign me up for the "I Don't Like Khan" club.
Whatever he brings to the ring, it's totally overshadowed by the incessant and completely nauseating whining he did, pining for Floyd. Sounded like a hissy high school girl who was stood up for the prom. Used every amateur psychology trick in the book to try and entice Floyd to fight him. Convinced Floyd had dumped him for good, he then made bogus claims about having landed a deal with Pacquaio without it actually being true. I also truly believe he has absolutely zero interest in facing Brook in the ring.
Khan's exciting to watch, only now I hope to see him flattened.
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I believe Khan is avoiding Brooks but if Garcia gates the title then he is clearly ducking Khan.
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I think you might be right.
Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV
I'm not sure how you read the article and put that spin on it?
Put what spin on it? They don't want the fight written in black and white is hardly spin.
This is what was said.
"I don’t see nothing there,” Garcia told RingTV.com. “(If they fight) it’s going to be a repeat of the same thing again.
Danny will knock Khan out. I’m not underestimating him but…I don’t want to get into the WBC politics."
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" We’re not trying to go on bad terms with nobody,” Garcia said of the WBC. “Were not trying to do that.
Why would you be the champ and then vacate the belt? That’s disrespecting the boxing world. If we have to do it then we have to do what we have to do. But I’m just saying I don’t see nothing there for me. (But)
we’re not going to run from anybody. We’re not scared of (Khan).”
That tells me he isn't going to duck Khan.
That's what i saw written in Black and White, what did you see?
Which all spells they don't want to fight him again. Its them that are producing the spin.
?????? Obviously Spelling is different in Canada than it is in the UK!
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I quite like Garcia but don't see him beating Khan think Khan might even stop Garcia
Khan will not try to stop him this time, that was where he went wrong last time. With Virgil, it is points victory.
This is the main change.
Virgil hunter.
Khan is undefeated with virgil..he will possibly outbox garcia this time by boxing smart...garcia and angel don't really want this fight.
Well Garcia is undefeated with his Dad. They wanted the fight before, they said exactly how Khan would get beat, and they want the fight again and their gameplan will be the same and the result will be the same, IF Khan actually goes ahead with it.
Garcia does not want this fight and I would not be shocked to see him vacate than take this fight. I think Khan wins a rematch easily. He could win a shut out if he doesnt stop Garcia. Only way Garcia can win is by KO and I dont thin he'll catch Khan this time.
I think you might be right.
Angel Garcia on Amir Khan: ‘Why would we fight Khan?’ - Ring TV
I'm not sure how you read the article and put that spin on it?
Put what spin on it? They don't want the fight written in black and white is hardly spin.
This is what was said.
"I don’t see nothing there,” Garcia told RingTV.com. “(If they fight) it’s going to be a repeat of the same thing again.
Danny will knock Khan out. I’m not underestimating him but…I don’t want to get into the WBC politics."
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" We’re not trying to go on bad terms with nobody,” Garcia said of the WBC. “Were not trying to do that.
Why would you be the champ and then vacate the belt? That’s disrespecting the boxing world. If we have to do it then we have to do what we have to do. But I’m just saying I don’t see nothing there for me. (But)
we’re not going to run from anybody. We’re not scared of (Khan).”
That tells me he isn't going to duck Khan.
That's what i saw written in Black and White, what did you see?
Which all spells they don't want to fight him again. Its them that are producing the spin.
?????? Obviously Spelling is different in Canada than it is in the UK!
Yeah that's it. Great comeback............
Look Khan is his mandatory for a belt he just won. So he has to fight him and just do the same thing again. There is no reason for overcompensating. Just go do it again and move on. Real simple and collect a nice cheque in the process. Easy work.
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Khan bust up Garcia like no one else has and would have stopped him mid way if the fight carried on as it did until Khan got wreckless and got hurt. I think those memories affect Garcia's dad who knows with the new trainer Khan is unlikely to make the same mistake twice.
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Khan bust up Garcia like no one else has and would have stopped him mid way if the fight carried on as it did until Khan got wreckless and got hurt. I think those memories affect Garcia's dad who knows with the new trainer Khan is unlikely to make the same mistake twice.
Not sure what people are arguing about. Its pretty clear that what his dad is saying is that they really don’t see any point in fighting Khan again and one does not need a degree from Oxford or vocabulary of Dickens to figure that out, What is also clear is that they just fought for a title that was vacated and knew full well that the next challenger in line was Khan. It makes no difference whether he beat him before or not at 140. Khan has fought his way to the mandatory position for the tin he now holds. This is boxing. People lose and then fight their way back and have for 150 years. He's not Floyd. He got his old title but not the privilege afforded to him based on fight receipts to pick his opponents.
Why would a guy vacate a belt he just won because he does not see the need to fight a guy he already ko'd?
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"Why would a guy vacate a belt he just won because he does not see the need to fight a guy he already ko'd?"
Very good question . Answer....
He wouldn't vacate his belt. That's what his Dad said in that interview. HE WOULDN'T VACATE THE BELT!
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"Why would a guy vacate a belt he just won because he does not see the need to fight a guy he already ko'd?"
Very good question . Answer....
He wouldn't vacate his belt. That's what his Dad said in that interview. HE WOULDN'T VACATE THE BELT!
Lets see, action speak louder than words.
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"Why would a guy vacate a belt he just won because he does not see the need to fight a guy he already ko'd?"
Very good question . Answer....
He wouldn't vacate his belt. That's what his Dad said in that interview. HE WOULDN'T VACATE THE BELT!
Lets see, action speak louder than words.
So let's get this right......
So he never said DG would vacate?
And he never said he was scared of Khan?
But we should look past what he said and make our own spin on it . Ah, ok then.:rolleyes:
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Khan versus Gercia is worth whatever Haymon is willing to pay for it. Seeing as both guys are signed to Haymon and so nobody else can bid up the fight Haymon can probably pay about $2.5 million split in Garcia's favour and that's it.
If Khan loses, and it's definitely possible he gets timed/chinned again, he has to have at least one rebuilding fight and hope Brook keeps winning in the meantime before he can go for the payday. And he may not get more than 50/50 with another loss. Another loss knocks the fight's PPV/ticket marketablility in Britain too.
The WBC would be fine letting Khan/Garcia both have one fight more before they fight each other. Money talks. Is Khan really going to risk his biggest career payday to fight Garcia for a nettage of around half a million quid? He's not getting any younger, he's obviously after big money fights and as he gets older and his time without a belt gets longer is he really going to keep ignoring the big money fight he can have?
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Reality is Khan v Brooks sells whatever happens to Khan, even if he loses. If mugs pay for Floyd v Pac Man 5 years past its best then this can sell in the UK too.
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Khan versus Gercia is worth whatever Haymon is willing to pay for it. Seeing as both guys are signed to Haymon and so nobody else can bid up the fight Haymon can probably pay about $2.5 million split in Garcia's favour and that's it.
If Khan loses, and it's definitely possible he gets timed/chinned again, he has to have at least one rebuilding fight and hope Brook keeps winning in the meantime before he can go for the payday. And he may not get more than 50/50 with another loss. Another loss knocks the fight's PPV/ticket marketablility in Britain too.
The WBC would be fine letting Khan/Garcia both have one fight more before they fight each other. Money talks. Is Khan really going to risk his biggest career payday to fight Garcia for a nettage of around half a million quid? He's not getting any younger, he's obviously after big money fights and as he gets older and his time without a belt gets longer is he really going to keep ignoring the big money fight he can have?
Couldnt disagere more. If Khan wanted a big money fight he could have had the Brook fight. Hes after legacy so definitely wants to avenge Garcia loss. Khan is worth over 30 mil. I dont think the money matters to him that much.
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Khan versus Gercia is worth whatever Haymon is willing to pay for it. Seeing as both guys are signed to Haymon and so nobody else can bid up the fight Haymon can probably pay about $2.5 million split in Garcia's favour and that's it.
If Khan loses, and it's definitely possible he gets timed/chinned again, he has to have at least one rebuilding fight and hope Brook keeps winning in the meantime before he can go for the payday. And he may not get more than 50/50 with another loss. Another loss knocks the fight's PPV/ticket marketablility in Britain too.
The WBC would be fine letting Khan/Garcia both have one fight more before they fight each other. Money talks. Is Khan really going to risk his biggest career payday to fight Garcia for a nettage of around half a million quid? He's not getting any younger, he's obviously after big money fights and as he gets older and his time without a belt gets longer is he really going to keep ignoring the big money fight he can have?
Couldnt disagere more. If Khan wanted a big money fight he could have had the Brook fight. Hes after legacy so definitely wants to avenge Garcia loss. Khan is worth over 30 mil. I dont think the money matters to him that much.
I kinda hear what you're saying hear . Maybe he does want legacy like you say, and that's why he waits on Floyd and Manny and because he's worth a few bob, he won't take fights that he "thinks" are below him.
That doesn't mean he isn't deluded or arrogant. And it doesn't mean everyone should cater to his every whim.
At the end of the day, in this sport, you should have to keep proving yourself and you shouldn't get by on name alone . I know it doesn't always work like that.
I also appreciate that Brook needs to fight some top guys for the same reasons.
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Khan versus Gercia is worth whatever Haymon is willing to pay for it. Seeing as both guys are signed to Haymon and so nobody else can bid up the fight Haymon can probably pay about $2.5 million split in Garcia's favour and that's it.
If Khan loses, and it's definitely possible he gets timed/chinned again, he has to have at least one rebuilding fight and hope Brook keeps winning in the meantime before he can go for the payday. And he may not get more than 50/50 with another loss. Another loss knocks the fight's PPV/ticket marketablility in Britain too.
The WBC would be fine letting Khan/Garcia both have one fight more before they fight each other. Money talks. Is Khan really going to risk his biggest career payday to fight Garcia for a nettage of around half a million quid? He's not getting any younger, he's obviously after big money fights and as he gets older and his time without a belt gets longer is he really going to keep ignoring the big money fight he can have?
Couldnt disagere more. If Khan wanted a big money fight he could have had the Brook fight. Hes after legacy so definitely wants to avenge Garcia loss. Khan is worth over 30 mil. I dont think the money matters to him that much.
Khan has a big ego but that chin of his lets him down he may well want revenge,! but in the rematch he will out box Garcia again till he gets hit then the same out come as the first fight.
At the top the very best have a good chin Khan never has simple, all the speed and boxing ability but just lacking with the old chin of glass.
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Wants to take a 'warm up' fight with Berto or Rios before Garcia or Brook???
I think he should go straight at it and skip those.
