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Re: Which fight is worse?
Put the words "ducking", "Canelo", and "Golovkin" on Google and you'll get dozens of articles from all over boxing about Canelo ducking Golovkin. None of those critics from both inside and outside of boxing talk about Golovkin "warranting" a fight with Canelo. "Warranting" comes from the same dictionary as "marinating".... two words being conveniently used by Canelo and his team to cover up his blatant DUCKING of Golovkin.
Put any spin on it you want. Another poster put it perfectly. Canelo has made a career of fighting smaller guys. GGG has fought whomever they've put in front of him. That the quality hasn't been top-notch is not his fault. To my knowledge he hasn't yet ducked anybody.
All the whining by Canelo fans doesn't erase one indelible fact:
Canelo is completely suited to fight at 160 pounds. He's got the size and built to campaign at MW... but chooses to drain himself into smaller weights (a la JCC Jr.) in order to have that important 20-30 pound weight advantage on fight night. So why in HELL should Golovkin cave to Ginger's demands and go down to something less than 160? Bottom line is everybody and their brother thinks Canelo should MAN UP and fight Golovkin at 160. But he won't... 'cause he's scared shitless. So we fans get stuck with farces such as Canelo-Khan and now GGG-Brook. Both needless fights... both to be blamed on Canelo.
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In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Ha. You ask me to be real? Do you honestly think GGG has cherry picked opponents?
You do know there is a difference between cherry picking and being avoided?
And then you say that perhaps he should go down in weight ? No doubt you would then accuse him of being a bully, he can't win with you.
And you ask me to be real?😂
I've already acknowledged that the time has come for him to move up because nobody in the division will fight him.
Agreed. Not only that... but the argument regarding "the right to negotiate with Canelo" is nothing but a B.S. excuse to justify Canelo's shameful avoiding of GGG. Bottom line... both are equally sized fighters perfectly suited to face off at 160. I'm sure GGG would accept any reasonable offer that was put on the table by Canelo's team. Unfortunately, hell will freeze over before that happens.
I agree with you but it's a business now more than ever and GGG is running a lemonade stand. Tell me why GGG will fight a welterweight but not a really skilled 154 fighter like Lara. While says everyone is ducking GGG but ggg fans. Where is there one shred of evidence ? All speculation and I still beg the question how and why GGG has managed to avoid a top notch fight for ten years with no Marque opponent.? I think catch weight is crap but for GGG to call out Canelo and then fight a welterweight at 160 is worse. It reinforces the fact he will not take risks his 10 year record of opponents is more factual than ggg , his fans and promoter saying everyone is avoiding him.
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Addicted to_boxing
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TitoFan
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Primo Carnera
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Addicted to_boxing
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Primo Carnera
In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Ha. You ask me to be real? Do you honestly think GGG has cherry picked opponents?
You do know there is a difference between cherry picking and being avoided?
And then you say that perhaps he should go down in weight ? No doubt you would then accuse him of being a bully, he can't win with you.
And you ask me to be real?😂
I've already acknowledged that the time has come for him to move up because nobody in the division will fight him.
Agreed. Not only that... but the argument regarding "the right to negotiate with Canelo" is nothing but a B.S. excuse to justify Canelo's shameful avoiding of GGG. Bottom line... both are equally sized fighters perfectly suited to face off at 160. I'm sure GGG would accept any reasonable offer that was put on the table by Canelo's team. Unfortunately, hell will freeze over before that happens.
I agree with you but it's a business now more than ever and GGG is running a lemonade stand. Tell me why GGG will fight a welterweight but not a really skilled 154 fighter like Lara. While says everyone is ducking GGG but ggg fans. Where is there one shred of evidence ? All speculation and I still beg the question how and why GGG has managed to avoid a top notch fight for ten years with no Marque opponent.? I think catch weight is crap but for GGG to call out Canelo and then fight a welterweight at 160 is worse. It reinforces the fact he will not take risks his 10 year record of opponents is more factual than ggg , his fans and promoter saying everyone is avoiding him.
I ask that he destroy Canelos credentials by beating like opponents of Canlelo get your brain straight . Shred Canelo ability to fight at catchweight. Now fighting Brook with such a great advantage Canelo will never fight him at 160 . Simply because ggg is not man enough or popular enough to dictate the terms. GGG will now be forced to fight larger fighters for less pay. Ggg needs to realize he is not the man and needs to beat the man. (Any top notch champion). Like ggg wants to build a career on one win vs Canelo
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Now post pictures of Mayweather on fight night against Marquez. No one gives a shit (who remembers) , it was a disgrace what he pulled but I do not see you criminalizing him like Canelo. Seems you have one way hatred
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Addicted to_boxing
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TitoFan
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Primo Carnera
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Addicted to_boxing
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In answer to the original question, I voted for Canelo v Khan being worse, only because there was a 20lb weight difference on the night, and with the IBF 10lb ruling, that's probably not going to be the case this time.
But at the same time, I have to be consistent and say I don't like the idea of GGG fighting someone 2 weights below.
If the MW's haven't got the balls to step up to the plate, then now is probably the right time to consider his work done at the weight and challenge himself by moving up.
Be real..... 10 years as a professional with no key win or Marque opponent. 10 years without taking a risk beating all opponents in a weak ass division . This has you believing he has a leg to negotiate with vs. Canelo? This looks like a major cherry picking career!
Work done absolutely, time to fight top notch opponents one level up or one level down. Lara or Canelo at 155 now that you forfeited what was your only leverage point PG-GG rated champion
Ha. You ask me to be real? Do you honestly think GGG has cherry picked opponents?
You do know there is a difference between cherry picking and being avoided?
And then you say that perhaps he should go down in weight ? No doubt you would then accuse him of being a bully, he can't win with you.
And you ask me to be real?😂
I've already acknowledged that the time has come for him to move up because nobody in the division will fight him.
Agreed. Not only that... but the argument regarding "the right to negotiate with Canelo" is nothing but a B.S. excuse to justify Canelo's shameful avoiding of GGG. Bottom line... both are equally sized fighters perfectly suited to face off at 160. I'm sure GGG would accept any reasonable offer that was put on the table by Canelo's team. Unfortunately, hell will freeze over before that happens.
I agree with you but it's a business now more than ever and GGG is running a lemonade stand. Tell me why GGG will fight a welterweight but not a really skilled 154 fighter like Lara. While says everyone is ducking GGG but ggg fans. Where is there one shred of evidence ? All speculation and I still beg the question how and why GGG has managed to avoid a top notch fight for ten years with no Marque opponent.? I think catch weight is crap but for GGG to call out Canelo and then fight a welterweight at 160 is worse. It reinforces the fact he will not take risks his 10 year record of opponents is more factual than ggg , his fans and promoter saying everyone is avoiding him.
I ask that he destroy Canelos credentials by beating like opponents of Canlelo get your brain straight . Shred Canelo ability to fight at catchweight. Now fighting Brook with such a great advantage Canelo will never fight him at 160 . Simply because ggg is not man enough or popular enough to dictate the terms. GGG will now be forced to fight larger fighters for less pay. Ggg needs to realize he is not the man and needs to beat the man. (Any top notch champion). Like ggg wants to build a career on one win vs Canelo
You say "It's a business", then in the next breath you say he's not man enough to Dictate terms.
You say he shouldn't fight lighter guys like Brook (I agree), But you want him to fight Lara from the weight below. no doubt then , he would be accused of cherry picking lighter guys and Canelo's leftovers.
You say GGG needs to realize he's not the man. I think he does, when has he ever said he is "The Man"? It's haters like you that are putting that up there. GGG wants to prove he's the Man by cleaning up the division.
we all know, he's not going to get that opportunity because all the other MW's are swerving him (although you seem to even dispute this), so he might as well go up to SMW to fight Degale,Ramirez, etc.
However, don't be surprised if they dodge him as well. People think it's easy to make these fights , but it's not. look at the evidence . how many fights that the public want between the best either take years to make or don't Happen?
the Only one that gets fights made is/was Mayweather, and that's because he's the Golden goose. But even the Pac fight took forever.
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whats the difference between same and neither?
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Canelo v Khan or GGG v Brooks?
GGG fight
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whats the difference between same and neither?
They are both the same - as bad as one another.
Neither fight was bad at all.
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erics44
whats the difference between same and neither?
They are both the same - as bad as one another.
Neither fight was bad at all.
yeah but if you read it with the question -
which is worse? neither is worse (they are both as bad as each other)
or
which is worse? they are the same (both as bad as each other)
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Master
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erics44
whats the difference between same and neither?
They are both the same - as bad as one another.
Neither fight was bad at all.
yeah but if you read it with the question -
which is worse? neither is worse (they are both as bad as each other)
or
which is worse? they are the same (both as bad as each other)
stop being so pedantic.
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Master
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erics44
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Master
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erics44
whats the difference between same and neither?
They are both the same - as bad as one another.
Neither fight was bad at all.
yeah but if you read it with the question -
which is worse? neither is worse (they are both as bad as each other)
or
which is worse? they are the same (both as bad as each other)
stop being so pedantic.
now , now @Master, @erics44 was merely pointing out an anomaly. WIth his extensive grasp of the English Language , it was disturbing him . Grammar maketh the Man! ;D;D;)
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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erics44
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Master
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Originally Posted by
erics44
whats the difference between same and neither?
They are both the same - as bad as one another.
Neither fight was bad at all.
yeah but if you read it with the question -
which is worse? neither is worse (they are both as bad as each other)
or
which is worse? they are the same (both as bad as each other)
stop being so pedantic.
now , now @
Master , @
erics44 was merely pointing out an anomaly. WIth his extensive grasp of the English Language , it was disturbing him . Grammar maketh the Man! ;D;D;)
all im saying is that if youre gonna make a poll or have a vote then voters need to know what they are voting for
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Let's lay the blame where it rightfully belongs GGG has been a pro for 10 fuqen years 10 FUQEN years and has yet to fight a marque name or have a signature win. GGG had no leverage then and further lessens his ability to dictate anything in a match with Canelo in the future. He could have moved down one weight class ad discredited a Canelo opponent instead he calls out a welterweight to fight at 160 . That that is a pussier move than Canelo has ever maneuvered. This is another PPV stinker for GGG
GGG is the Middleweight Champion of the World why should he move down a weight class? Especially if the titles they were to fight over were the Middleweight titles! Why indeed?!?
If Canelo wants the Middleweight belts he's going to have to fight at.....anyone???? anyone????
MIDDLEWEIGHT!
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
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What has GGG done to warrant a Canelo fight at 160 when GGG wants.
Signed a deal with the WBC to fight him. Canelo signed the same deal but bottled out of it. Who the hell is there at 160 that is willing to fight Golovkin that Golovkin hasn't fought?
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Kirkland Laing
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Addicted to_boxing
What has GGG done to warrant a Canelo fight at 160 when GGG wants.
Signed a deal with the WBC to fight him. Canelo signed the same deal but bottled out of it. Who the hell is there at 160 that is willing to fight Golovkin that Golovkin hasn't fought?
His work is done beating all the 160 marginal fighters. Time for him to step up and stop blaming Canelo for His lack of risk taking and move a weight class up
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Kirkland Laing
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Addicted to_boxing
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Kirkland Laing
Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
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El Kabong
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Let's lay the blame where it rightfully belongs GGG has been a pro for 10 fuqen years 10 FUQEN years and has yet to fight a marque name or have a signature win. GGG had no leverage then and further lessens his ability to dictate anything in a match with Canelo in the future. He could have moved down one weight class ad discredited a Canelo opponent instead he calls out a welterweight to fight at 160 . That that is a pussier move than Canelo has ever maneuvered. This is another PPV stinker for GGG
GGG is the Middleweight Champion of the World why should he move down a weight class? Especially if the titles they were to fight over were the Middleweight titles! Why indeed?!?
If Canelo wants the Middleweight belts he's going to have to fight at.....anyone???? anyone????
MIDDLEWEIGHT!
so ggg challenging a welterweight is better? Separate Canelo penis from GGG butt and treat their careers seperately as they have no common opponents
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Have him knockout a series of average fighters ...... More like hype recipe. So after 10 years and no quality risk fight how many more years is ok with you?
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TitoFan
Now post pictures of Mayweather on fight night against Marquez. No one gives a shit (who remembers) , it was a disgrace what he pulled but I do not see you criminalizing him like Canelo. Seems you have one way hatred
That's because nobody has asked me about Mayweather-Marquez. I hated that fight also, and have said as much in the forum in the past. But let's not let the facts go unnoticed here. Mayweather never ran from anybody in his own weight class to go chasing after undersized opponents. The Marquez fight was offered to him, so he took it. Canelo is known by all of mankind to pick on undersized opponents... and all of mankind knows he's also shamelessly ducking GGG.
It's not one-way hatred.... it's fact.
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Addicted to_boxing
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
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Addicted to_boxing
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Kirkland Laing
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Addicted to_boxing
What has GGG done to warrant a Canelo fight at 160 when GGG wants.
Signed a deal with the WBC to fight him. Canelo signed the same deal but bottled out of it. Who the hell is there at 160 that is willing to fight Golovkin that Golovkin hasn't fought?
His work is done beating all the 160 marginal fighters. Time for him to step up and stop blaming Canelo for His lack of risk taking and move a weight class up
And fight who?
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don't get me wrong I am happy about the GGG Brook fight
id have been happy for GGG to fight any given half decent super middle though
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Kirkland Laing
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Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
What has GGG done to warrant a Canelo fight at 160 when GGG wants.
Signed a deal with the WBC to fight him. Canelo signed the same deal but bottled out of it. Who the hell is there at 160 that is willing to fight Golovkin that Golovkin hasn't fought?
His work is done beating all the 160 marginal fighters. Time for him to step up and stop blaming Canelo for His lack of risk taking and move a weight class up
And fight who?
Anyone over 160 with a pulse
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
Avoided .... it's obvious you know little boxing and are just a GGG groupie. Comparing GGG to Hagler ..... stop the drugs this is not a comical site. Hagler fought Hearns, Mugabe, Roldan, Duran, Antuofermo and Sugar Ray how is this avoidance?
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Addicted to_boxing
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Addicted to_boxing
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
Avoided .... it's obvious you know little boxing and are just a GGG groupie. Comparing GGG to Hagler ..... stop the drugs this is not a comical site. Hagler fought Hearns, Mugabe, Roldan, Duran, Antuofermo and Sugar Ray how is this avoidance?
I loved that era and would never compare GGG to Hagler. However, some things that should be said...
Hearns, Duran, and Sugar Ray ALL had moved up from lower weights. Hearns may have been a natural MW due to his size, but Duran and SRR were not. Also, Hagler had the luxury of having been around at a time when there was a bonanza of great opposition with which to make his legacy. GGG hasn't had that luxury... yet.
And why the insistence on having GGG move up in weight when he probably feels 160 is his best weight and maybe he wouldn't fare so well above that?
All of this goes back to Canelo. You defend Canelo tooth and nail because well........... well, because you're a fan. But it doesn't erase the fact that Canelo's body is that of a bonafide middleweight. Everybody on Planet Earth knows that. But just like JCC Jr. did, he chooses to squeeze himself into a weight class where he knows he'll step into the ring at a huge weight advantage over his opponent. There is no reason whatsoever why he can't accept a fight with GGG at 160. None whatsoever. Bringing up issues such as "deserving a fight with Canelo", or letting the fight "marinate", are just excuses to have Canelo avoid what the fans should get.
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Addicted to_boxing
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Addicted to_boxing
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Kirkland Laing
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Addicted to_boxing
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Kirkland Laing
Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
Avoided .... it's obvious you know little boxing and are just a GGG groupie. Comparing GGG to Hagler ..... stop the drugs this is not a comical site. Hagler fought Hearns, Mugabe, Roldan, Duran, Antuofermo and Sugar Ray how is this avoidance?
I loved that era and would never compare GGG to Hagler. However, some things that should be said...
Hearns, Duran, and Sugar Ray ALL had moved up from lower weights. Hearns may have been a natural MW due to his size, but Duran and SRR were not. Also, Hagler had the luxury of having been around at a time when there was a bonanza of great opposition with which to make his legacy. GGG hasn't had that luxury... yet.
And why the insistence on having GGG move up in weight when he probably feels 160 is his best weight and maybe he wouldn't fare so well above that?
All of this goes back to Canelo. You defend Canelo tooth and nail because well........... well, because you're a fan. But it doesn't erase the fact that Canelo's body is that of a bonafide middleweight. Everybody on Planet Earth knows that. But just like JCC Jr. did, he chooses to squeeze himself into a weight class where he knows he'll step into the ring at a huge weight advantage over his opponent. There is no reason whatsoever why he can't accept a fight with GGG at 160. None whatsoever. Bringing up issues such as "deserving a fight with Canelo", or letting the fight "marinate", are just excuses to have Canelo avoid what the fans should get.
The only insistence I have is that ggg fight a quality opponent even a 154 fighter. The problem is ggg is promoted by the no name guppy promotion company that only has the aged Klitschko brothers. They have no traction in England or the Americas. They have invested little into the the business landscape of boxing. They have coddled ggg for ten yearsc and they are the ones making all the avoidance claims. They simply are holding their sole asset from fighting any threat. Canelo is the current PPV champion and should be afforded the cherry picking Pac and Mayweather were allowed. It's a new world and a Mexican is in the PPV cat bird seat. "MEXICAN FIGHTERS CAREERS MATTER",
For years they have been low balled knuckleheads while black, white and one Filipino dictated and did all the things everyone hates Canelo for. A fan of Mexican fighters not so much a Canelo fan. Canelo has already said he will fight ggg in 2017. So is ggg going to fight as if on eGGG crates fighting safe opponents until then? Going on 11 years without taking a risk, what a shame.
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
Avoided .... it's obvious you know little boxing and are just a GGG groupie. Comparing GGG to Hagler ..... stop the drugs this is not a comical site. Hagler fought Hearns, Mugabe, Roldan, Duran, Antuofermo and Sugar Ray how is this avoidance?
I loved that era and would never compare GGG to Hagler. However, some things that should be said...
Hearns, Duran, and Sugar Ray ALL had moved up from lower weights. Hearns may have been a natural MW due to his size, but Duran and SRR were not. Also, Hagler had the luxury of having been around at a time when there was a bonanza of great opposition with which to make his legacy. GGG hasn't had that luxury... yet.
And why the insistence on having GGG move up in weight when he probably feels 160 is his best weight and maybe he wouldn't fare so well above that?
All of this goes back to Canelo. You defend Canelo tooth and nail because well........... well, because you're a fan. But it doesn't erase the fact that Canelo's body is that of a bonafide middleweight. Everybody on Planet Earth knows that. But just like JCC Jr. did, he chooses to squeeze himself into a weight class where he knows he'll step into the ring at a huge weight advantage over his opponent. There is no reason whatsoever why he can't accept a fight with GGG at 160. None whatsoever. Bringing up issues such as "deserving a fight with Canelo", or letting the fight "marinate", are just excuses to have Canelo avoid what the fans should get.
Would not expect anything less from a Cotto fan. Still bitter?
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
Avoided .... it's obvious you know little boxing and are just a GGG groupie. Comparing GGG to Hagler ..... stop the drugs this is not a comical site. Hagler fought Hearns, Mugabe, Roldan, Duran, Antuofermo and Sugar Ray how is this avoidance?
I loved that era and would never compare GGG to Hagler. However, some things that should be said...
Hearns, Duran, and Sugar Ray ALL had moved up from lower weights. Hearns may have been a natural MW due to his size, but Duran and SRR were not. Also, Hagler had the luxury of having been around at a time when there was a bonanza of great opposition with which to make his legacy. GGG hasn't had that luxury... yet.
And why the insistence on having GGG move up in weight when he probably feels 160 is his best weight and maybe he wouldn't fare so well above that?
All of this goes back to Canelo. You defend Canelo tooth and nail because well........... well, because you're a fan. But it doesn't erase the fact that Canelo's body is that of a bonafide middleweight. Everybody on Planet Earth knows that. But just like JCC Jr. did, he chooses to squeeze himself into a weight class where he knows he'll step into the ring at a huge weight advantage over his opponent. There is no reason whatsoever why he can't accept a fight with GGG at 160. None whatsoever. Bringing up issues such as "deserving a fight with Canelo", or letting the fight "marinate", are just excuses to have Canelo avoid what the fans should get.
Would not expect anything less from a Cotto fan. Still bitter?
No. Just disappointed (but not surprised) at your weak response. ;)
So basically when you have no answers you sidestep the question.
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Canelo has made a career of beating up smaller guys not in his league. Matthew hatton, Archie Solis and so on. Golovkin has spent the last few years trying to get every middleweight on the planet into the ring. Big difference.
Team Golovkin only took this fight because they're so far down the line with negotiations and they've mentally already invested the money they're going to make from the Sky PPV.
The last 10 years . Where's the beef ? All salad opponents, if GGG wanted a challenge he would make his management team create one. He is just a big fish with the wrong promotional company which has no one else. Stop the excuses 10 years and that resume of opposition..... Hope your Ol lady does not lie to you the same way
How do you create a world class pound for pound middleweight? Lego?
Who is the best in the 160 division? People thought Lemieux but he beat him easily. And Lemieux is the only top 160 guy who wanted to fight him. Jacobs and all the other beltholders want nothing to do with him.
Lemieux and Jacobs is your argument ? I am on then floor laughing. Sad case of wrong place at the wrong time. The division is a joke and being the princess at a troll pageant is no thing to boast about
Thirty years ago you would have been saying the same thing about Hagler. He's the most avoided fighter of his generation. No ifs, no buts, no two ways about it.
Avoided .... it's obvious you know little boxing and are just a GGG groupie. Comparing GGG to Hagler ..... stop the drugs this is not a comical site. Hagler fought Hearns, Mugabe, Roldan, Duran, Antuofermo and Sugar Ray how is this avoidance?
I loved that era and would never compare GGG to Hagler. However, some things that should be said...
Hearns, Duran, and Sugar Ray ALL had moved up from lower weights. Hearns may have been a natural MW due to his size, but Duran and SRR were not. Also, Hagler had the luxury of having been around at a time when there was a bonanza of great opposition with which to make his legacy. GGG hasn't had that luxury... yet.
And why the insistence on having GGG move up in weight when he probably feels 160 is his best weight and maybe he wouldn't fare so well above that?
All of this goes back to Canelo. You defend Canelo tooth and nail because well........... well, because you're a fan. But it doesn't erase the fact that Canelo's body is that of a bonafide middleweight. Everybody on Planet Earth knows that. But just like JCC Jr. did, he chooses to squeeze himself into a weight class where he knows he'll step into the ring at a huge weight advantage over his opponent. There is no reason whatsoever why he can't accept a fight with GGG at 160. None whatsoever. Bringing up issues such as "deserving a fight with Canelo", or letting the fight "marinate", are just excuses to have Canelo avoid what the fans should get.
Would not expect anything less from a Cotto fan. Still bitter?
No. Just disappointed (but not surprised) at your weak response. ;)
So basically when you have no answers you sidestep the question.[/QUOTE
I say this because I do not recall you saying anything about Canelo fighting Cotto before the fight you wer happy fot the opportunity to be happy in a Cotto triumph. Then Cotto loses and you have a problem, screw you Cotto & GGG. Real men face challenges . Amen for real fighters like Frampton and Crawford who stepped up in weight and dominated. GGG has no balls or desire to face a challenge. Same applies to Cherry picking Canelo with the exception he has fought marque names with advantages. Pac did the same manipulative things throughout his career and has millions to show. Name which fighter outside of Marquez early on that Pac fought in their prime? Name me a skilled athletic fighter he fought with true Knockout power? Name me a fighter Pac fought that had lateral movement with power. Pac feasted on stright foward fighters tailored to his style. The only good athletic black fighters he fought were powerless Mayweather and Bradley. Look at his resume after Marquez put him to sleep thei all safe bets that possess power average below the Mendoza Line. Now Pac adds an exclamation mark to his David Copperfield career. ( The Greatest Boxing illusionist ) avoiding Crawford to fight Vargas. Crawford has the traits Manny has always avoided, Young, at his peak, athletic, Quick, black, southpaw, and possess power.
Pac is now an ATG and Canelo gets eaten alive for stealing the recipe. GGG is also using the recipe but he gains notoriety. I defend Canelo because I am a Latino and finally there is a Latino fighter driving the bullshit bus. I am not a fan of his . Too bad Cotto or other deserving Puerto Rican champions never got the really big lights !!
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This is not hate for a Mexican fighter but for the blatant duck to avoid GGG.
It is great that Canelo is controlling his career but he said he was ready to fight Golovkin not put out a scripted statement and say i will fight him 2017.
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I say this because I do not recall you saying anything about Canelo fighting Cotto before the fight you wer happy fot the opportunity to be happy in a Cotto triumph.
False. I had plenty to say before the Cotto-Canelo fight. From Day One I said Canelo was much the bigger man, and the two should never be compared in their ducking of GGG. (Yes. In all my fan-hood... I can admit Cotto ducked GGG). But whereas Cotto is naturally smaller than GGG, Canelo isn't. He's just scared shitless. Cotto is small even for a LMW. That he excelled at that weight is a testament to his heart and skill. Canelo is a full-blown MW. He could fight GGG tomorrow, but chooses not to, because he's scared shitless.
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GGG has no balls or desire to face a challenge.
He's never backed down from anyone in his own weight, unlike Canelo. You castigate him for not wanting to go up in weight to fight Ward, but that is never the same as Canelo avoiding 160 like the plague. Obviously, you have to dump on GGG because you think it helps your case on Canelo. It doesn't.
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Pac is now an ATG and Canelo gets eaten alive for stealing the recipe.
Now I KNOW you're smoking something. I'll have some of that. "Stealing the recipe"?? Pac went UP in weight and challenged fighters much bigger than him, exactly the opposite of what Canelo does, which is feast on undersized or over-the-hill fighters (or both). What recipe is that? Gotta lay off the weed.
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I defend Canelo because I am a Latino and finally there is a Latino fighter driving the bullshit bus. I am not a fan of his .
Not a fan?? I don't think it's Canelo "driving the bullshit bus." ;)
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Too bad Cotto or other deserving Puerto Rican champions never got the really big lights !!
Wrong again. It's a combination of the weed and just plain, blind hate. Never got the big lights? (Whatever that means). Obviously, you've been asleep over the last couple of decades. I suggest you catch up on what you've missed.
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I say this because I do not recall you saying anything about Canelo fighting Cotto before the fight you wer happy fot the opportunity to be happy in a Cotto triumph.
False. I had plenty to say before the Cotto-Canelo fight. From Day One I said Canelo was much the bigger man, and the two should never be compared in their ducking of GGG. (Yes. In all my fan-hood... I can admit Cotto ducked GGG). But whereas Cotto is naturally smaller than GGG, Canelo isn't. He's just scared shitless. Cotto is small even for a LMW. That he excelled at that weight is a testament to his heart and skill. Canelo is a full-blown MW. He could fight GGG tomorrow, but chooses not to, because he's scared shitless.
In one breathe you discredit Cotto for avoiding GGG but give him credit for fighting a bigger Canelo. Looks like you're smoking and droppping pills. No matter what you type GGG made the pendulum swing my way by opting to fight Brook while smaller fighters like Crawford and Frampton moved up challanged and won. They displayed the balls GGG lacks.
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GGG has no balls or desire to face a challenge.
He's never backed down from anyone in his own weight, unlike Canelo. You castigate him for not wanting to go up in weight to fight Ward, but that is never the same as Canelo avoiding 160 like the plague. Obviously, you have to dump on GGG because you think it helps your case on Canelo. It doesn't. Faced it Crawford and Frampton have bigger balls than your messiah GGG
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Pac is now an ATG and Canelo gets eaten alive for stealing the recipe.
Now I KNOW you're smoking something. I'll have some of that. "Stealing the recipe"?? Pac went UP in weight and challenged fighters much bigger than him, exactly the opposite of what Canelo does, which is feast on undersized or over-the-hill fighters (or both). What recipe is that? Gotta lay off the weed.
Yeah Pac moved up opposite of what GGG has done . Do you read what you write ? There would be nothing for me to write if GGG even had a challanging opponent in his 10 year career leaving Canelo out of the subject. I want to see the fight as does everyone else but what about all the other previous years before Canelo?
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I defend Canelo because I am a Latino and finally there is a Latino fighter driving the bullshit bus. I am not a fan of his .
Not a fan?? I don't think it's Canelo "driving the bullshit bus." ;) You are right, it's ODLH. Just like it is not GGG avoiding Ward it's Tom Loeffler. Gee what a bean head
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Too bad Cotto or other deserving Puerto Rican champions never got the really big lights !!
Wrong again. It's a combination of the weed and just plain, blind hate. Never got the big lights? (Whatever that means). you've been asleep over the last couple of decades. I suggest you catch up on what you've missed.[/QUOTE]
Meaning for all the champions PR has had they have amounted to shit in the public eye and never saw the really big paydays and if you do not know what the big light means you are truly a simpleton . (Look it up)
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First, learn how to quote properly (look it up).
Second, if I don't understand your sloppy use of English slang, it doesn't make me a simpleton. I'd venture to say my English is better than yours, and English is my second language.
Third, for you to clump together all champions P.R. has had (that's a lot of champions) and say they haven't "amounted to shit in the public eye", is the real definition of what a simpleton is. "Simpleton" in this case being a nice word for moron.
Lastly, I'll give you an example of a champion that hasn't "amounted to shit in the public eye":
Margacheato.
A convicted, one-eyed cheater and low-life who's now trying to claw his way back, and risking his only good eye, in front of a few dozen fans who don't give a shit.
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Speaking of Cotto, looks like he's near signing to fight......get this,,,,,,,,,,,Gamboa!!! Seriously,,,,,I am not making this shit up!
I hated on Canelo for the Khan fight, I hated on GGG for the Brook fight and I will damn certain hate on Cotto for a Gamboa fight.
But.......,Maybe we all need to start hating on HBO, they are the common denominator. Take two names, no matter their size or accomplishments and put them in the ring together. Did the Pride Fighting people come over to HBO?
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Speaking of Cotto, looks like he's near signing to fight......get this,,,,,,,,,,,Gamboa!!! Seriously,,,,,I am not making this shit up!
I hated on Canelo for the Khan fight, I hated on GGG for the Brook fight and I will damn certain hate on Cotto for a Gamboa fight.
But.......,Maybe we all need to start hating on HBO, they are the common denominator. Take two names, no matter their size or accomplishments and put them in the ring together. Did the Pride Fighting people come over to HBO?
I can agree with this. They've now got the excuse that Haymon has taken so many fighters away and pickings are slim but they were exactly the same when they were undisputed top dog. They've bought endless garbage fights from Golden Boy, Haymon, Top Rank, you name it before Haymon went his own way.
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Bump. So?
So in retrospect, both Khan and Brook exposed their bigger opponents' lack of boxing skills. They were both size mismatches which shouldn't have been made. The silver lining in all this is that maybe GBP might feel emboldened by what they saw Saturday night and serve up the main dish without that "marination" B.S. If that happens, I'll be sitting ringside with a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
