Miles with your struggle between communism and nationalism I'm surprised your head doesn't explodeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Miles with your struggle between communism and nationalism I'm surprised your head doesn't explodeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You know, I don't find it such a contradiction. The UK left was traditionally against the EU, it was against open borders. It understood that with a welfare state you cannot have such policies, that it would be harmful to the national interest. I just align with that way of thinking. It is the left itself that has mutated and become somewhat grotesque in ignoring those fundamentals. I am not a communist. I am just a simple, relatively traditional thinking social democrat with a serious dislike of monarchy. I don't really adhere to all left or nothing or all right or nothing. You could say I lack principles, but I argue it is because I have a bit of common sense. I can see the merits in different ideologies, but think a balance is a fair compromise. You can have some immigration, accept some refugees, but be careful about it and consult with the host population first. It's all people in ivory towers and they seldom get killed in any of the wars they start or the borders they refuse to moderate.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusMiles with your struggle between communism and nationalism I'm surprised your head doesn't explodeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Beanz just said quite clearly "OF COURSE ALL ILLEGALS SHOULD BE DEPORTED".
Now all of you leave him alone.
Beanz underwent gestalt therapy I took courses at uni in it so I can now get anything out of him. It's called gestalts back door honey trap method.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
You sonofabitch
How double dare youQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by Beanz
He came over on a boat right after the 'Arab Spring' something the Obama Administration helped incite AND were quite proud of until the whole Libya debacle. As for the Arab Spring https://www.theguardian.com/world/co...nstability-war
So he was a "migrant" whether you consider him such or you consider him a "refugee" :rolleyes: it doesn't matter what matters is he was from Tunisia, a Muslim nation, and he was a Muslim, and he pledged allegiance to ISIS.
"This was a guy who drunk" and "would not be considered Muslim by most other Muslims".....The 9/11 hijackers went to strip clubs and got drunk before they waged their Jihad. If you die a martyr your sins are wiped clean, so the belief goes. "He wouldn't be considered Muslim by other Muslims"....he pledged allegiance to ISIS, what more do you want?
Europeans won't fucking exist if you keep ignoring the issue at hand Beanz that's where I get off telling Europeans how to run their lives. You guys cannot afford to keep allowing this to happen. But I suppose you know best, you give to your charity which might help people in need or it might be a bit more nefarious. Hats got passed around for "charity" in Boston and New York and the money ended up going to the IRA but hey that's no big deal, I'm CERTAIN the charity you give to and all others are on the up and up and you know exactly where the money is going and what it's being used for.
In answer to your question: "Them? Who is them ? Are all refugees terrorists? or all Muslims? or all Syrians? Why are you continuing to ignore Lebanon, Libya, Jordan and all the other places that have taken more Syrian refugees than Europe" ....read this REALLY fucking close Beanz as I shan't explain it again. 'Them' = Militant Muslim Extremists (that's who them is...bruh), Are ALL refugees terrorists, no BUT Mr. All-or-Nothing quite a few of them have been. Are all Muslims terrorists? Nope, but again all of the terrorists in Europe recently (bar the explosion in Turkey a few weeks ago [Commies] ) have been Muslims (or haven't you noticed a trend?). Are all Syrians? Well honey, sweety, sugar....in case you haven't noticed a lot of these "refugees" ain't from Syria, they're migrants from other Middle Eastern/Muslim population centers. Attacks aren't happening so much in Lebanon, Libya, and Jordan, attacks are happening more in places with different, more Western cultures....in case you haven't noticed.
Migrants arrested after homeless man set on fire on Christmas Eve in Berlin | Daily Mail Online
Mere coincidence I tell you!!!!
You carry on reading the Daily Mail and your mind will be warped.
OK, so you dislike the messenger, but does that dilute the message? Were those 7 guys just trying to "provide warmth for the homeless man"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Is the story true or not?
Muslims donate 10 tonnes of food in charity drive for homeless at Christmas
Muslims donate 10 tonnes of food in charity drive for homeless at Christmas
I believe EL Kabong asked: IS THE STORY TRUE OR NOT?
Homeless people are spat/swore at, pissed on, attacked most of the time and now you care that they are assaulted by migrants? :rolleyes:
Well in the case of the Daily Mail does they are a right wing newspaper renowned for making stuff up stirring up hatred in huge headlines on the front pages and then burying tiny retractions they are legally obliged to print inside, so who knows?. The real point is that you do nothing but look for confirmation of a bias and standpoint you already have, and then repost stuff like this and the dumb videos you have populated your other weak threads with. You have absolutely NO interest in debate anymore which is sad. You have been reduced to a broken records ranting away in the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK, so you dislike the messenger, but does that dilute the message? Were those 7 guys just trying to "provide warmth for the homeless man"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Is the story true or not?
....yet to receive a "Yes, the story is true" or a "No, the story is false" answer to my question
Let's start from your first response will be "Yes" or "No" and from there we'll address everything else
Sure you will. The world will be a better place.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Set on fire....are they set on fire all the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Beanz, right wing, left wing, IS THE STORY TRUE? You bring a " they are a right wing newspaper renowned for making stuff up stirring up hatred in huge headlines on the front pages and then burying tiny retractions they are legally obliged to print inside, so who knows?" response to this instead of a 'That's horrible, burning a homeless man!' reaction and I'm the one with the confirmation bias?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
CCTV plea after Worthing homeless man set on fire
CCTV plea after Worthing homeless man set on fire - BBC News
#LyleNailsIt
Well..duh...If you come and tell me this bloke that is always exaggerating and outright lying told me this, then of course my first response would be "You do know he is known to be a compulsive liar?". So yes absolutely you have done nothing but confirm your own confirmation bias. The Mail is as full of Bullshit as Farage the hate mongering right wing extremist.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSet on fire....are they set on fire all the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Beanz, right wing, left wing, IS THE STORY TRUE? You bring a " they are a right wing newspaper renowned for making stuff up stirring up hatred in huge headlines on the front pages and then burying tiny retractions they are legally obliged to print inside, so who knows?" response to this instead of a 'That's horrible, burning a homeless man!' reaction and I'm the one with the confirmation bias?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Well you don't see Farage lighting the homeless on fire....DO YOU?
Berlin U-Bahn attackers try to set homeless man on fire in Christmas Eve attack | Germany | DW.COM | 25.12.2016
Well, well, well.....not the Daily Mail is it? Not a conspiracy or #fakenews is it?
Homophobic crimes in Germany up almost 20 percent | News | DW.COM | 01.12.2016
Gee, I wonder why? Why would regular everyday Germans be attacking "ze Gheys" more??? Unless it ISN'T everyday Germans doing the attacking....but hey, those folks doing the attacking are WELCOME in Europe, WELCOME I say....come right in, make yourselves at home, kick everyone else around a bit, subject us to your caveman religion!
They are kicking them because they are Muslim? Yes makes perfect sense.
These are horrible human beings.
And before we get more PC drivel and whining let me say this....
No, just because a Bulgarian kicks a woman down the stairs for no reason, just because 6 Syrians and a Tunisian light a homeless man on fire, just because a Tunisian does a truck attack on a Christmas market, just because Muslims did the Charlie Hebdo shooting, just because Muslims did the Bataclan shooting, just because a guy named Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel was behind the wheel of that truck in Nice when he decided to plow over anyone and everyone on Bastille Day....No that doesn't make 100% of Muslims bad people, no it doesn't make 100% of migrants bad people, it doesn't make 100% of Syrian refugees actually from SYRIA bad people......but those fuckers who did those things, they hide among those innocent people, there are wolves in sheep's clothing crossing your borders and they won't think twice to kill you or fucking anyone else.
I have very close Muslim friends, I have very close Muslim neighbors, they aren't Al Qaeda operatives, they aren't ISIS flag wavers, they aren't isolating themselves from Western society....but just because they are that way, it doesn't mean 100% of Muslims are peaceful either, it doesn't mean 100% of Muslims will accept and tolerate the way the Western world is.....you need to understand that....that's all I'm saying, but you want to act like I'm a bigot or xenophobe....better safe than sorry in cases like this.
You are stating the obvious and I am not burying my head in the sand but being rationale.
...how am I not being rational?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDcs-noMUSg
....some cultures are better than others
Lyle no disrespect but you are an incredibly rude patronising lad. You are insisting that anyone not subscribing to your own particular world view are ignorant and naive. You are ascribing opinions and statements that neither myself, master or any other rational person have or would ever make. You seem to have a very low opinion of anyone who does not share your viewpoint. Its speaks volumes about the narrowness of your actual experience and the desperateness of the flimsy argument you are failing to build.
Pot....Kettle......I believe you know each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Do you know of Taqiyya? Do you know of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah?...I can guarantee you that ISIS and Al Qaeda doQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
So your response is to continue to patronise? Taqiya is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted. So much like Galileo when operating in the time of the Spanish Inquisition in order not to tortured and murdered by the extremists of his day, a pragmatic solution can keep you alive. I know that there is a huge tradition of martydom in Christianity where such people are elevated as heroic for enduring death because they refuse to recant or deny their beliefs but that is not the only way. Just as not all Christians are honorable or even Christian in the way they act of course many Muslims will use any excuse to act in the most unislamic of ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDo you know of Taqiyya? Do you know of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah?...I can guarantee you that ISIS and Al Qaeda doQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
You are continuing to invent positions I have never held and lie in order to somehow bolster your own argument. Where have I said that all cultures are equal? Do you think that somebody like myself who has virtually eulogised Christopher Hitchens in past posts would take such a view? There is even a thread somewhere that I started suggesting that Multicultralism does not work and that no culture or particular group is equal. Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white? who knows, in that case your own culture would seem to be trailing behind a lot of the rest of the world, particularly Europe which yourself and Brockton are incredibly eager to patronise and dismiss as being sheep like and naive.
I have huge problems with Islam and the fundamentals of many religions but That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable. Lazy excuse for debate mate. It personifies your recent style in which you take an extreme view and dismiss everything that does not agree with it. That is one thing even Titofan can see despite probably being virtually diametrically opposed to me on most issues.
Oh fuck....are you kidding me right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Bringing up taqiya and the treaty of Hudaybiyyah isn't "patronizing" I'm asking if you know what they fucking are....and low and behold you bring up taqiya "is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted".....well how might ISIS and Al Qaeda utilize that given this refugee crisis? Or are you of the belief that they won't use that? These are NOT asked in a patronizing way so don't get your panties in a twist, I'm just fucking asking direct questions if that's ok with you.
"Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white?".....now say I patronize again....fucking type it out again. You post that and accuse ME of patronizing....just allow that to sink in for a second dear.
"That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable." .....what did you say about me being unable to detect nuance? Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. I'm shocked that definition isn't followed by a (see @Beanz).
Have I said " all Syrians as potential terrorists" or have I said that terrorists would infiltrate those refugee groups? There is a difference no? I see a difference, if you can't then maybe....just maybe it's YOU with the problem and not me :-\
I've used the words "Syrian refugee" in quotes because lots of the people coming to Europe are "'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' " from other nations that are simply taking advantage of the situation. Or isn't that happening? (Anis Amri: He had arrived in Italy by boat in 2011 from Tunisia, which was opening its borders in the first attempts at democratization following the Arab Spring.) Remember the 21 year old Syrian refugee who murdered a pregnant woman with a machete? A 17-year-old Afghan refugee injured at least 20 train passengers with an axe and a knife in Germany’s Würzburg. The man was shot dead by German police later. Three suspected Islamic State group suicide bombers targeted the international terminal of Istanbul’s Ataturk airport, killing at least 36 people and wounding many others, Turkish officials said. Two teenage Islamic extremists threw a bomb at a Sikh temple during a wedding in the Essen city of Germany. Three members of the Sikh community were injured. A 15-year-old girl stabbed and severely injured a policemen in Hanover in Germany after she was stopped for a search. She had earlier tried to join the Islamic State but was stopped by her mother.....now you let in refugees unvetted and all willy nilly maybe those refugees are ISIS/Al Qaeda members, maybe they are recruiters, maybe they bring ideas with them that pollute the minds and mosques of French, German, English Muslims....is it wrong for me to want a bit of safety? Syria is dangerous, but there's no reason to import dangerous people from the Middle East along with those fleeing such dangers.
All I ask for is vetting the refugees and if it's not possible to vet them all then perhaps keeping them in safe places closer to Syria but out of harm's way is best.....but somehow, some way Beanz you take that and you say I'm all these horrible things ooooh AND I'm patronizing too! At the end of the day I'd just like to see less people attacked, less people killed, less people injured.....and apparently that's a bad thing because I don't agree with the way you want to achieve those goals......or don't you want to achieve those goals?
Seeing as you refuse to actually read anything anybody else posts and assume completely not just their response but what is actually in their head and their entire previous life experience including what they may think in future I shall just post what you want to hear in order to make you seem vaguely rational, reasonable and not at all stuck on your high horse, General.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh fuck....are you kidding me right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Bringing up taqiya and the treaty of Hudaybiyyah isn't "patronizing" I'm asking if you know what they fucking are....and low and behold you bring up taqiya "is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted".....well how might ISIS and Al Qaeda utilize that given this refugee crisis? Or are you of the belief that they won't use that? These are NOT asked in a patronizing way so don't get your panties in a twist, I'm just fucking asking direct questions if that's ok with you.
"Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white?".....now say I patronize again....fucking type it out again. You post that and accuse ME of patronizing....just allow that to sink in for a second dear.
"That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable." .....what did you say about me being unable to detect nuance? Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. I'm shocked that definition isn't followed by a (see @Beanz).
Have I said " all Syrians as potential terrorists" or have I said that terrorists would infiltrate those refugee groups? There is a difference no? I see a difference, if you can't then maybe....just maybe it's YOU with the problem and not me :-\
I've used the words "Syrian refugee" in quotes because lots of the people coming to Europe are "'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' " from other nations that are simply taking advantage of the situation. Or isn't that happening? (Anis Amri: He had arrived in Italy by boat in 2011 from Tunisia, which was opening its borders in the first attempts at democratization following the Arab Spring.) Remember the 21 year old Syrian refugee who murdered a pregnant woman with a machete? A 17-year-old Afghan refugee injured at least 20 train passengers with an axe and a knife in Germany’s Würzburg. The man was shot dead by German police later. Three suspected Islamic State group suicide bombers targeted the international terminal of Istanbul’s Ataturk airport, killing at least 36 people and wounding many others, Turkish officials said. Two teenage Islamic extremists threw a bomb at a Sikh temple during a wedding in the Essen city of Germany. Three members of the Sikh community were injured. A 15-year-old girl stabbed and severely injured a policemen in Hanover in Germany after she was stopped for a search. She had earlier tried to join the Islamic State but was stopped by her mother.....now you let in refugees unvetted and all willy nilly maybe those refugees are ISIS/Al Qaeda members, maybe they are recruiters, maybe they bring ideas with them that pollute the minds and mosques of French, German, English Muslims....is it wrong for me to want a bit of safety? Syria is dangerous, but there's no reason to import dangerous people from the Middle East along with those fleeing such dangers.
All I ask for is vetting the refugees and if it's not possible to vet them all then perhaps keeping them in safe places closer to Syria but out of harm's way is best.....but somehow, some way Beanz you take that and you say I'm all these horrible things ooooh AND I'm patronizing too! At the end of the day I'd just like to see less people attacked, less people killed, less people injured.....and apparently that's a bad thing because I don't agree with the way you want to achieve those goals......or don't you want to achieve those goals?
I am of course of the belief that ISIS and Al Queda would never utilise taqiya to carry out atrocities. That would simply not be Cricket. The bogeyman would also never fail to admit that he was the bogeymen and all baddies wear costumes advertising exactly who they are. Being hopelessly naive and a committed SJW snowflake I would assume that no terrorists come from the middle east and that there should be no immigration system at all. There should be no checks and everyone regardless of crimes committed or country of origin should be able to just waltz from one country into another just like you have assured me they already do. I am all for willy nilly unvetted acceptance of anyone from anywhere. In fact I want to import those that do not even want to come. I think it should be compulsory because there are just not enough Arabs in Europe and that is racist. I want a parity of numbers and all the Jews (who only pretend they are arabs) and a large number white people shipped out to make space for them. I don't think any countries close to Syria or other places currently being bombed by the US and it's allies should have to take anyone. In fact take the 4.8 million
yes
4.8 Million
out of Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt and bring them all to Britain along with the entire population of Polish dentists and Plumbers. Less people attacked and injured ? what does that matter I only care about pissing off republicans and little fat men in Noo Yawk ...apparently
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Yep throw your toys out of the pram little @Beanz
So now you have resorted to @mentions ? Stop pretending that you are merely being reasonable. Own that alt right hipsterness. I get that myself, Master and others are a bit dumb compared to you and your right on right wing friends but at least grant us enough intelligence to read a thread in our own time without having to summon us with an @mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
'PC Drivel'
'You don't see Farage lighting the homeless on fire'
..' those folks doing the attacking are WELCOME in Europe, WELCOME I say....come right in, make yourselves at home, kick everyone else around a bit, subject us to your caveman religion'
'When just anyone can mosey across the border with ANY intentions at all....don't be surprised when that happens.
"He came looking for freedom and economic growth"....same as when Bonnie and Clyde went on their whirlwind tour of the Midwest. Open your eyes man'
So don't come all wide eyed and innocent like you were interested in having a rational discussion. My response was to those like you whose first response was to blame Merkel in order to justify their own prejudice. Their first response, like the forum equivalent of a tabloid. This was a total and utter c**t whose claim for asylum was rejected, and you are all trying to use it to claim that this is what happens when you let anyone in. This is proof that the simple notions you are touting as some kind of panacea do not work when you are talking about people with so little regard for human life. The very same argument you are using to promote gun ownership and shut down dissent and debate you are seeking to employ to pretend will stop criminals like this operating.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
No disrespect but I'm right and your are wrong and also you are a boy . you couldn't read about this shit.
Everyone has an opinion but its usually the ones who need society to subsidise their lives that shout the loudest and protest on the streets.
All this in a democracy and in a thread about a muslim terrorist.
That is the factual lesson for today.
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Originally Posted by Beanz
Triggered by an @ mention?
Beanz,....may I call you Beanz? I WHOLEHEARTEDLY apologize for @ mentioning you. I am not sure what came over me, there is no excuse for such a grotesque and deplorable action.
True, you DON'T see Farage lighting the homeless on fire.
It DOES seem to me, maybe to a few others that some "refugees" or "migrants" or whatever the PC term for Middle Eastern peoples that have moved to Europe is have come and brought a bit of trouble with them. I sincerely wonder if anything can be done to lessen such needless violence...but I guess that's too much to ask.
So sorry Beanz, me aculpa, 1000 Space Pardons
Hey guys, guys, whatever Beanz says goes.....because that's how debates work ok? I know you used to counter ideas with other ideas and maybe agree to disagree, that's not how it goes anymore.....it's what Beanz says and that's it
It's true and unfortunate I don't think I could make time to protestQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
No disrespect but I'm right and your are wrong and also you are a boy . you couldn't read about this shit.
Everyone has an opinion but its usually the ones who need society to subsidise their lives that shout the loudest and protest on the streets.
All this in a democracy and in a thread about a muslim terrorist.
That is the factual lesson for today.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
No disrespect but I'm right and your are wrong and also you are a boy . you couldn't read about this shit.
Everyone has an opinion but its usually the ones who need society to subsidise their lives that shout the loudest and protest on the streets.
All this in a democracy and in a thread about a muslim terrorist.
That is the factual lesson for today.
Do you not believe in manners or British values then Al? Lyle is the same age as my kids so yeah it does wear a bit thin when he constantly talks down to me and Master as though we are children. What is your second sentence about? Is that aimed at me ? Are you lecturing people for protesting on the streets in a democracy? ;D or are you just assuming that because I am a carer that it must follow that I don't support myself and rely on state handouts? I only ask because Miles and a lot of other posters used to assume the same thing. I work . I am self employed and so don't even rely on an employer for handouts so what is your point?
What is the factual lesson for today? that you want the democratically elected leader of a country you don't even live in, hung from the nearest tree because you don't agree with her ?
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Originally Posted by BeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
No disrespect but I'm right and your are wrong and also you are a boy . you couldn't read about this shit.
Everyone has an opinion but its usually the ones who need society to subsidise their lives that shout the loudest and protest on the streets.
All this in a democracy and in a thread about a muslim terrorist.
That is the factual lesson for today.
Do you not believe in manners or British values then Al? Lyle is the same age as my kids so yeah it does wear a bit thin when he constantly talks down to me and Master as though we are children. What is your second sentence about? Is that aimed at me ? Are you lecturing people for protesting on the streets in a democracy? ;D or are you just assuming that because I am a carer that it must follow that I don't support myself and rely on state handouts? I only ask because Miles and a lot of other posters used to assume the same thing. I work . I am self employed and so don't even rely on an employer for handouts so what is your point?
What is the factual lesson for today? that you want the democratically elected leader of a country you don't even live in, hung from the nearest tree because you don't agree with her ?
Beanz is 100% right and that's all there is to say.....CLOSE THE THREAD!