Anis Amri *GUNNED DOWN* by ITALIAN POLICE in Milano

[Beanz]

Lyle no disrespect but you are an incredibly rude patronising lad. You are insisting that anyone not subscribing to your own particular world view are ignorant and naive. You are ascribing opinions and statements that neither myself, master or any other rational person have or would ever make. You seem to have a very low opinion of anyone who does not share your viewpoint. Its speaks volumes about the narrowness of your actual experience and the desperateness of the flimsy argument you are failing to build.

Do you know of Taqiyya? Do you know of the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah?...I can guarantee you that ISIS and Al Qaeda do

So your response is to continue to patronise? Taqiya is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted. So much like Galileo when operating in the time of the Spanish Inquisition in order not to tortured and murdered by the extremists of his day, a pragmatic solution can keep you alive. I know that there is a huge tradition of martydom in Christianity where such people are elevated as heroic for enduring death because they refuse to recant or deny their beliefs but that is not the only way. Just as not all Christians are honorable or even Christian in the way they act of course many Muslims will use any excuse to act in the most unislamic of ways.

You are continuing to invent positions I have never held and lie in order to somehow bolster your own argument. Where have I said that all cultures are equal? Do you think that somebody like myself who has virtually eulogised Christopher Hitchens in past posts would take such a view? There is even a thread somewhere that I started suggesting that Multicultralism does not work and that no culture or particular group is equal. Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white? who knows, in that case your own culture would seem to be trailing behind a lot of the rest of the world, particularly Europe which yourself and Brockton are incredibly eager to patronise and dismiss as being sheep like and naive.

I have huge problems with Islam and the fundamentals of many religions but That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable. Lazy excuse for debate mate. It personifies your recent style in which you take an extreme view and dismiss everything that does not agree with it. That is one thing even Titofan can see despite probably being virtually diametrically opposed to me on most issues.

[El Kabong]

So your response is to continue to patronise? Taqiya is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted. So much like Galileo when operating in the time of the Spanish Inquisition in order not to tortured and murdered by the extremists of his day, a pragmatic solution can keep you alive. I know that there is a huge tradition of martydom in Christianity where such people are elevated as heroic for enduring death because they refuse to recant or deny their beliefs but that is not the only way. Just as not all Christians are honorable or even Christian in the way they act of course many Muslims will use any excuse to act in the most unislamic of ways.

You are continuing to invent positions I have never held and lie in order to somehow bolster your own argument. Where have I said that all cultures are equal? Do you think that somebody like myself who has virtually eulogised Christopher Hitchens in past posts would take such a view? There is even a thread somewhere that I started suggesting that Multicultralism does not work and that no culture or particular group is equal. Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white? who knows, in that case your own culture would seem to be trailing behind a lot of the rest of the world, particularly Europe which yourself and Brockton are incredibly eager to patronise and dismiss as being sheep like and naive.

I have huge problems with Islam and the fundamentals of many religions but That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable. Lazy excuse for debate mate. It personifies your recent style in which you take an extreme view and dismiss everything that does not agree with it. That is one thing even Titofan can see despite probably being virtually diametrically opposed to me on most issues.

Oh fuck....are you kidding me right now?


Bringing up taqiya and the treaty of Hudaybiyyah isn't "patronizing" I'm asking if you know what they fucking are....and low and behold you bring up taqiya "is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted".....well how might ISIS and Al Qaeda utilize that given this refugee crisis? Or are you of the belief that they won't use that? These are NOT asked in a patronizing way so don't get your panties in a twist, I'm just fucking asking direct questions if that's ok with you.


"Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white?".....now say I patronize again....fucking type it out again. You post that and accuse ME of patronizing....just allow that to sink in for a second dear.


"That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable." .....what did you say about me being unable to detect nuance? Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. I'm shocked that definition isn't followed by a (see @Beanz).

Have I said " all Syrians as potential terrorists" or have I said that terrorists would infiltrate those refugee groups? There is a difference no? I see a difference, if you can't then maybe....just maybe it's YOU with the problem and not me

I've used the words "Syrian refugee" in quotes because lots of the people coming to Europe are "'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' " from other nations that are simply taking advantage of the situation. Or isn't that happening? (Anis Amri: He had arrived in Italy by boat in 2011 from Tunisia, which was opening its borders in the first attempts at democratization following the Arab Spring.) Remember the 21 year old Syrian refugee who murdered a pregnant woman with a machete? A 17-year-old Afghan refugee injured at least 20 train passengers with an axe and a knife in Germany’s Würzburg. The man was shot dead by German police later. Three suspected Islamic State group suicide bombers targeted the international terminal of Istanbul’s Ataturk airport, killing at least 36 people and wounding many others, Turkish officials said. Two teenage Islamic extremists threw a bomb at a Sikh temple during a wedding in the Essen city of Germany. Three members of the Sikh community were injured. A 15-year-old girl stabbed and severely injured a policemen in Hanover in Germany after she was stopped for a search. She had earlier tried to join the Islamic State but was stopped by her mother.....now you let in refugees unvetted and all willy nilly maybe those refugees are ISIS/Al Qaeda members, maybe they are recruiters, maybe they bring ideas with them that pollute the minds and mosques of French, German, English Muslims....is it wrong for me to want a bit of safety? Syria is dangerous, but there's no reason to import dangerous people from the Middle East along with those fleeing such dangers.


All I ask for is vetting the refugees and if it's not possible to vet them all then perhaps keeping them in safe places closer to Syria but out of harm's way is best.....but somehow, some way Beanz you take that and you say I'm all these horrible things ooooh AND I'm patronizing too! At the end of the day I'd just like to see less people attacked, less people killed, less people injured.....and apparently that's a bad thing because I don't agree with the way you want to achieve those goals......or don't you want to achieve those goals?

[Beanz]

So your response is to continue to patronise? Taqiya is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted. So much like Galileo when operating in the time of the Spanish Inquisition in order not to tortured and murdered by the extremists of his day, a pragmatic solution can keep you alive. I know that there is a huge tradition of martydom in Christianity where such people are elevated as heroic for enduring death because they refuse to recant or deny their beliefs but that is not the only way. Just as not all Christians are honorable or even Christian in the way they act of course many Muslims will use any excuse to act in the most unislamic of ways.

You are continuing to invent positions I have never held and lie in order to somehow bolster your own argument. Where have I said that all cultures are equal? Do you think that somebody like myself who has virtually eulogised Christopher Hitchens in past posts would take such a view? There is even a thread somewhere that I started suggesting that Multicultralism does not work and that no culture or particular group is equal. Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white? who knows, in that case your own culture would seem to be trailing behind a lot of the rest of the world, particularly Europe which yourself and Brockton are incredibly eager to patronise and dismiss as being sheep like and naive.

I have huge problems with Islam and the fundamentals of many religions but That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable. Lazy excuse for debate mate. It personifies your recent style in which you take an extreme view and dismiss everything that does not agree with it. That is one thing even Titofan can see despite probably being virtually diametrically opposed to me on most issues.

Oh fuck....are you kidding me right now?


Bringing up taqiya and the treaty of Hudaybiyyah isn't "patronizing" I'm asking if you know what they fucking are....and low and behold you bring up taqiya "is a pragmatic solution for those being persecuted".....well how might ISIS and Al Qaeda utilize that given this refugee crisis? Or are you of the belief that they won't use that? These are NOT asked in a patronizing way so don't get your panties in a twist, I'm just fucking asking direct questions if that's ok with you.


"Maybe it is your clumsy American inability to detect nuance or tolerate discussion and debate on anything but broad simple issues that is forcing you to make everything black and white?".....now say I patronize again....fucking type it out again. You post that and accuse ME of patronizing....just allow that to sink in for a second dear.


"That does not lead me to labeling all Syrians as potential terrorists or becoming so bitter and cynical that 'refugee', 'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' become interchangable." .....what did you say about me being unable to detect nuance? Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. I'm shocked that definition isn't followed by a (see @Beanz).

Have I said " all Syrians as potential terrorists" or have I said that terrorists would infiltrate those refugee groups? There is a difference no? I see a difference, if you can't then maybe....just maybe it's YOU with the problem and not me

I've used the words "Syrian refugee" in quotes because lots of the people coming to Europe are "'migrant' 'Opportunist' 'terrorist' " from other nations that are simply taking advantage of the situation. Or isn't that happening? (Anis Amri: He had arrived in Italy by boat in 2011 from Tunisia, which was opening its borders in the first attempts at democratization following the Arab Spring.) Remember the 21 year old Syrian refugee who murdered a pregnant woman with a machete? A 17-year-old Afghan refugee injured at least 20 train passengers with an axe and a knife in Germany’s Würzburg. The man was shot dead by German police later. Three suspected Islamic State group suicide bombers targeted the international terminal of Istanbul’s Ataturk airport, killing at least 36 people and wounding many others, Turkish officials said. Two teenage Islamic extremists threw a bomb at a Sikh temple during a wedding in the Essen city of Germany. Three members of the Sikh community were injured. A 15-year-old girl stabbed and severely injured a policemen in Hanover in Germany after she was stopped for a search. She had earlier tried to join the Islamic State but was stopped by her mother.....now you let in refugees unvetted and all willy nilly maybe those refugees are ISIS/Al Qaeda members, maybe they are recruiters, maybe they bring ideas with them that pollute the minds and mosques of French, German, English Muslims....is it wrong for me to want a bit of safety? Syria is dangerous, but there's no reason to import dangerous people from the Middle East along with those fleeing such dangers.


All I ask for is vetting the refugees and if it's not possible to vet them all then perhaps keeping them in safe places closer to Syria but out of harm's way is best.....but somehow, some way Beanz you take that and you say I'm all these horrible things ooooh AND I'm patronizing too! At the end of the day I'd just like to see less people attacked, less people killed, less people injured.....and apparently that's a bad thing because I don't agree with the way you want to achieve those goals......or don't you want to achieve those goals?

Seeing as you refuse to actually read anything anybody else posts and assume completely not just their response but what is actually in their head and their entire previous life experience including what they may think in future I shall just post what you want to hear in order to make you seem vaguely rational, reasonable and not at all stuck on your high horse, General.




I am of course of the belief that ISIS and Al Queda would never utilise taqiya to carry out atrocities. That would simply not be Cricket. The bogeyman would also never fail to admit that he was the bogeymen and all baddies wear costumes advertising exactly who they are. Being hopelessly naive and a committed SJW snowflake I would assume that no terrorists come from the middle east and that there should be no immigration system at all. There should be no checks and everyone regardless of crimes committed or country of origin should be able to just waltz from one country into another just like you have assured me they already do. I am all for willy nilly unvetted acceptance of anyone from anywhere. In fact I want to import those that do not even want to come. I think it should be compulsory because there are just not enough Arabs in Europe and that is racist. I want a parity of numbers and all the Jews (who only pretend they are arabs) and a large number white people shipped out to make space for them. I don't think any countries close to Syria or other places currently being bombed by the US and it's allies should have to take anyone. In fact take the 4.8 million


yes


4.8 Million

out of Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt and bring them all to Britain along with the entire population of Polish dentists and Plumbers. Less people attacked and injured ? what does that matter I only care about pissing off republicans and little fat men in Noo Yawk ...apparently

[El Kabong]

Yep throw your toys out of the pram little @Beanz

[Beanz]

Yep throw your toys out of the pram little @Beanz

So now you have resorted to @mentions ? Stop pretending that you are merely being reasonable. Own that alt right hipsterness. I get that myself, Master and others are a bit dumb compared to you and your right on right wing friends but at least grant us enough intelligence to read a thread in our own time without having to summon us with an @mention.


'PC Drivel'

'You don't see Farage lighting the homeless on fire'


..' those folks doing the attacking are WELCOME in Europe, WELCOME I say....come right in, make yourselves at home, kick everyone else around a bit, subject us to your caveman religion'


'When just anyone can mosey across the border with ANY intentions at all....don't be surprised when that happens.
"He came looking for freedom and economic growth"....same as when Bonnie and Clyde went on their whirlwind tour of the Midwest. Open your eyes man'


So don't come all wide eyed and innocent like you were interested in having a rational discussion. My response was to those like you whose first response was to blame Merkel in order to justify their own prejudice. Their first response, like the forum equivalent of a tabloid. This was a total and utter c**t whose claim for asylum was rejected, and you are all trying to use it to claim that this is what happens when you let anyone in. This is proof that the simple notions you are touting as some kind of panacea do not work when you are talking about people with so little regard for human life. The very same argument you are using to promote gun ownership and shut down dissent and debate you are seeking to employ to pretend will stop criminals like this operating.

[El Kabong]

So now you have resorted to @mentions ? Stop pretending that you are merely being reasonable. Own that alt right hipsterness. I get that myself, Master and others are a bit dumb compared to you and your right on right wing friends but at least grant us enough intelligence to read a thread in our own time without having to summon us with an @mention.


'PC Drivel'

'You don't see Farage lighting the homeless on fire'


..' those folks doing the attacking are WELCOME in Europe, WELCOME I say....come right in, make yourselves at home, kick everyone else around a bit, subject us to your caveman religion'


'When just anyone can mosey across the border with ANY intentions at all....don't be surprised when that happens.
"He came looking for freedom and economic growth"....same as when Bonnie and Clyde went on their whirlwind tour of the Midwest. Open your eyes man'


So don't come all wide eyed and innocent like you were interested in having a rational discussion. My response was to those like you whose first response was to blame Merkel in order to justify their own prejudice. Their first response, like the forum equivalent of a tabloid. This was a total and utter c**t whose claim for asylum was rejected, and you are all trying to use it to claim that this is what happens when you let anyone in. This is proof that the simple notions you are touting as some kind of panacea do not work when you are talking about people with so little regard for human life. The very same argument you are using to promote gun ownership and shut down dissent and debate you are seeking to employ to pretend will stop criminals like this operating.

Triggered by an @ mention?


Beanz,....may I call you Beanz? I WHOLEHEARTEDLY apologize for @ mentioning you. I am not sure what came over me, there is no excuse for such a grotesque and deplorable action.


True, you DON'T see Farage lighting the homeless on fire.

It DOES seem to me, maybe to a few others that some "refugees" or "migrants" or whatever the PC term for Middle Eastern peoples that have moved to Europe is have come and brought a bit of trouble with them. I sincerely wonder if anything can be done to lessen such needless violence...but I guess that's too much to ask.


So sorry Beanz, me aculpa, 1000 Space Pardons




Hey guys, guys, whatever Beanz says goes.....because that's how debates work ok? I know you used to counter ideas with other ideas and maybe agree to disagree, that's not how it goes anymore.....it's what Beanz says and that's it