AJ-Wlad - Wembley

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Originally Posted by Beanz

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Of course it's not a non point. I'm fully aware that the mainstream are behind AJ.
My original point was how surprised I was that many Brit Saddos weren't bothered by AJ.
And yes, I distance myself from the Brits, because I'm not one! I've never hidden that.
I totally accept the people that resent AJ because of the Sky/Matchroom/Hearn connection , I've already said that.
My point about Khan (amongst others) was that they expect the big bucks, but don't justify it.
Khan is probably (almost definitely)not
top 10 in the division, yet he thinks he's worthy of a 70/30 split in his favour against a Champion.
We all know he did that and is prepared to accept less money against other fighters because if he lost, he's worth Zip.
Who the fuck is he to dictate these things? He's been a mandatory for the WBC (?) Strap for fucking donkey's years and hasn't been forced to fight. It's a joke.

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That is boxing. I think most British Saddos enjoy and can appreciate AJ for what he is but have either been watching or involved in boxing for long enough to know that it is still very early days and the excitement starts when he is in a ring with someone able to stretch him and show more depth than he has. He showed plenty of character against Whyte but also his limitations, as he did in the Olympics. I think most want the best for him, because he is like you say very exciting when he brings that kind of power to the table. Most hardcore boxing fans are not huge on the heavyweight scene because it is almost an anomaly that can't really be compared to the other divisions. I apologise for assuming you were British, your certainly post as though English is your first Language. Are you

A) Italian
B) Irish
C)Australian
D)Ross's Neighbour :-X

Khan might be a dick but he has entertained enough to be able to ask for whatever he likes. He might not get it but he is going to try for the maximum purse because that is his job to do so.

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I have to admit that when I first joined this forum I assumed that Primo was English as well, whilst some people you can tell are yanks straight away and others you can tell are English, Primo must be a bit of a fucking chameleon...its that or life has battered him down to the point of hopelessness which is why he shares the same sort of tone (via text on a screen) as the English

@Beanz & @Batman, I've lived here all my life to be fair, but I am "a.)"
Some people try to bracket me as a Brit, but I ain't having it! 😂
Sorry. And I guess Beanz and I will never agree about Khan, but there you go.
I think we're not too far away on what we think about AJ Funnily enough.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

@Beanz & @Batman, I've lived here all my life to be fair, but I am "a.)"
Some people try to bracket me as a Brit, but I ain't having it! 😂
Sorry. And I guess Beanz and I will never agree about Khan, but there you go.
I think we're not too far away on what we think about AJ Funnily enough.

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Khan is a cunt...that is all

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Originally Posted by Beanz

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Of course it's not a non point. I'm fully aware that the mainstream are behind AJ.
My original point was how surprised I was that many Brit Saddos weren't bothered by AJ.
And yes, I distance myself from the Brits, because I'm not one! I've never hidden that.
I totally accept the people that resent AJ because of the Sky/Matchroom/Hearn connection , I've already said that.
My point about Khan (amongst others) was that they expect the big bucks, but don't justify it.
Khan is probably (almost definitely)not
top 10 in the division, yet he thinks he's worthy of a 70/30 split in his favour against a Champion.
We all know he did that and is prepared to accept less money against other fighters because if he lost, he's worth Zip.
Who the fuck is he to dictate these things? He's been a mandatory for the WBC (?) Strap for fucking donkey's years and hasn't been forced to fight. It's a joke.

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That is boxing. I think most British Saddos enjoy and can appreciate AJ for what he is but have either been watching or involved in boxing for long enough to know that it is still very early days and the excitement starts when he is in a ring with someone able to stretch him and show more depth than he has. He showed plenty of character against Whyte but also his limitations, as he did in the Olympics. I think most want the best for him, because he is like you say very exciting when he brings that kind of power to the table. Most hardcore boxing fans are not huge on the heavyweight scene because it is almost an anomaly that can't really be compared to the other divisions. I apologise for assuming you were British, your certainly post as though English is your first Language. Are you

A) Italian
B) Irish
C)Australian
D)Ross's Neighbour :-X

Khan might be a dick but he has entertained enough to be able to ask for whatever he likes. He might not get it but he is going to try for the maximum purse because that is his job to do so.

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I have to admit that when I first joined this forum I assumed that Primo was English as well, whilst some people you can tell are yanks straight away and others you can tell are English, Primo must be a bit of a fucking chameleon...its that or life has battered him down to the point of hopelessness which is why he shares the same sort of tone (via text on a screen) as the English

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I think there is still a lack of experience that will be costly on AJ's part. He's not a Tyson and Wlad is not Spinks or Berbick.

Okay he's not Holyfield either but Wlad has had to learn the fallacy of a big man fighting like a seek and destroyer. I feel like Joshua is about to learn a hard but very necessary lesson soon.

I hope Wlad knocks him out as I like nothing more than for an old fighter who bored me to death come back after 18 months and shock everyone. Then hopefully we get Wlad against James Toney once and for all.

There are not many fights now of day that I really care about. This is one of them. I think Wlad is done. Father time done got up to his ass. There is no reason why Wlad wants this fight. If he was smart he should retire. He should walk in the ring take a little kiss on the cheek and lay down. Give my money bitches!!

Can we add a poll to this thread? This fight has so many variables and subplots to it. Changing of the guard, redemption, is Joshua overrated, is Wladimir done, is he fully focused for this, does Klitschko have won last hurrah in him etc.

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Originally Posted by Alpha

Can we add a poll to this thread? This fight has so many variables and subplots to it. Changing of the guard, redemption, is Joshua overrated, is Wladimir done, is he fully focused for this, does Klitschko have won last hurrah in him etc.

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Why don't you start a separate poll thread? . We all need to start more threads, myself included, to help give the forum a shot in the arm.

@Saddo @Andre @Master @Memphis @Fenster @Spicoli

Can a poll still be added to this thread? :confused:

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@Saddo @Andre @Master @Memphis @Fenster @Spicoli

Can a poll still be added to this thread? :confused:

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So now its clear Smash , you are a plastic Moderator , asking your peers for help lol ;)

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@Saddo @Andre @Master @Memphis @Fenster @Spicoli

Can a poll still be added to this thread? :confused:

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So now its clear Smash , you are a plastic Moderator , asking your peers for help lol ;)

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;D Sorted i just forgot where the button was ;D

The more I read about this fight the more I'm convincing myself that Klit has gotten old and AJ will win easy.

I'm not against AJ winning at all but I don't want Klit to be a "name" on his record that didn't tell us anything about him.
If AJ does win then I hope it's a gruelling competitive fight that answers some questions.

And at least if Klit does get beat he can go home and wear Hayden Panettierre like a finger puppet.

Joshua looks fucking Huge, bigger than normal for sure, He needs to be careful he doesn't start to suffer from stamina issues like Bruno used to by carrying too much muscle mass.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9582784196.jpg



Anthony Joshua shows huge upper body in training | Daily Mail Online

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Can we add a poll to this thread? This fight has so many variables and subplots to it. Changing of the guard, redemption, is Joshua overrated, is Wladimir done, is he fully focused for this, does Klitschko have won last hurrah in him etc.

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Why don't you start a separate poll thread? . We all need to start more threads, myself included, to help give the forum a shot in the arm.

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I thought it'd be best to have it all contained in the one thread. Your right about starting new threads tho. Unless it's about Haye or Eubank Jr etc no on here seems interested.

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@Saddo @Andre @Master @Memphis @Fenster @Spicoli

Can a poll still be added to this thread? :confused:

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So now its clear Smash , you are a plastic Moderator , asking your peers for help lol ;)

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;D Sorted i just forgot where the button was ;D

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Thanks

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Joshua looks fucking Huge, bigger than normal for sure, He needs to be careful he doesn't start to suffer from stamina issues like Bruno used to by carrying too much muscle mass.
Anthony Joshua shows huge upper body in training | Daily Mail Online

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He does look bigger. But bear in mind he's 'pumped' there, hitting the heavy bag with weighted gloves. Im a proper part timer at the gym but I can walk in, give my arms a blast and walk out looking like Devon Larratt (OK maybe not quite)

Well I voted based on percentages.

I think the only outcome of this fight that would surprise me would be Joshua on pts

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Well I voted based on percentages.

I think the only outcome of this fight that would surprise me would be Joshua on pts

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Hard to disagree

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Well I voted based on percentages.

I think the only outcome of this fight that would surprise me would be Joshua on pts

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Which is precisely what I voted. :)

I feel Joshua will be aggressive and press the action. Wlad, fearing the KO, will use every trick in the book to avoid it. AJ's relative lack of experience will prevent him from countering Wlad's tricks tactics effectively. Still, the judges will (hopefully) see through Wlad's utter lack of aggressiveness, and reward AJ for his. The only unknown here is AJ's stamina, as Wlad's bag of illegal tricks can sap his strength throughout the 12 rounds.

Personally, I'm hoping for a highlight reel KTFO.

Looks like I'm in the minority here. Pity we only got 7 votes so far.

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Looks like I'm in the minority here. Pity we only got 7 votes so far.

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Lyle hasn't voted yet and Ross can't ;D

Looks like I've gone with the majority here, I've voted AJ via KO but I still maintain that if Klit has anything left then he will cause a shock

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Looks like I've gone with the majority here, I've voted AJ via KO but I still maintain that if Klit has anything left then he will cause a shock

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Do you get many splinters in your ass from sitting on that fence? ;D;D;D

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Looks like I've gone with the majority here, I've voted AJ via KO but I still maintain that if Klit has anything left then he will cause a shock

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Do you get many splinters in your ass from sitting on that fence? ;D;D;D

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And the answer is I don't know but I don't dislike him.


It maybe that I'll never get behind a fighter again like I did Benn and Lewis back in the day.

Maybe it's because they're all multi millionaires after a handful of fights these days without proving their pedigree.

I hate the modern footballer too

But admittedly it's not their fault.

AJ win and then Bellew will blow him out inside of two rounds at Goodison Park

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I know what you mean about being multi millionaires without proving themselves or even being any good. That's why I can't take to the likes of Eubank Jr. BJS, Khan etc.
I personally don't put AJ in their bracket, but each to their own. It just surprises me.

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I too would not put AJ in their bracket yet either. Khan has faced a lot sterner opposition than AJ and whilst he has frittered away the tail end of his career he fought his way to where he is love him or hate him. BJS again whilst not really having the portfolio he should have is a very gifted boxer, way more in his arsenal than AJ will probably ever have and that's not knocking Joshua it's just a fact. I don't really get what point you are supposed to be making. You talk about Brits in the third person as though they are just one big amalgam. AJ seems pretty popular amongst both 'casuals' and hardcore fans who while not necessarily seeing a great deal of depth yet other than his ability to spark people out , respect his honesty and respect for boxing. It's nice to have a guy without a big mouth but he is never going to make the big headlines Guys like Fury, Haye, Mayweather etc do because his whole persona is built around avoiding controversy which the other guys feed on.

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My point is that AJ is going out and doing what he is supposed to do (and in some style), whereas Khan, BJS, Eubank Jr. want all the recognition and Money while doing literally fuck all.
I also dispute that Khan has fought his way to where he is. Many years ago , he beat Maidana, and that's it. BJS and Eubank the same. BJS beat Andy Lee, Eubank has beaten nobody.
AJ has dispatched of a World Champion by early KO to gain his title, Molina (who gave the other Champion a much harder time of it) and Brezeale , who arguably would give almost any other HW on the planet a pretty good fight, and all by KO.
It's not his fault that he hasn't been tested, it's not like he's ducked anyone after all.
I totally get the Hearn/Matchroom/Sky golden bollocks resentment that people would have, but again , it's not his fault.
And while he won't get the headlines Fury, Haye and Mayweather get , with the exception of Mayweather , I bet the others, (and just about every other Boxer on the planet) would swap Bank Balances with him.

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He comes across very well in the media. I'll take him more seriously when he's fought someone of substance.

Right now, he's a world champion by fighting boxings equivalent of a tomato can and defending against another tomato can.

At least Whyte gave him something to chew on in the early rounds and Joshua recovered. You know, someone who actually punches back.

Right now he's not that good that no one can stand up to him. This isn't another brief Mike Tyson era. There are fighters out there who we know can stand up, he hasn't been allowed to fight them yet.

Sod Eubank Jnr who I'd guess more and more people are getting pissed off with his little circus. Maybe oneday he'll get serious and boxing fans will appreciate him.

The wome are hot for AJ. That women at the start is on some One direction / Justin Bieber crazy teenage fan shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKU2cPZoX68

I think Joshua will win, he's too strong and too young for the current faded, inactive version of Klitschko.

Wlad, despite being past his prime, would still likely beat anybody else, but not Joshua.

However, I'll be rooting for Klitschko because he is underrated as an all-time great heavyweight, and because although he's age 41, he's taking on the best prime heavyweight in the world.

what if wlad won tho

wouldn't that be totally shit?

we'd have to watch him hold small guys for 12 rounds at least a couple more times

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what if wlad won tho

wouldn't that be totally shit?

we'd have to watch him hold small guys for 12 rounds at least a couple more times

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No it would not. If Wlad beats AJ then it would confirm that he is a great heavyweight champion not just because of the record number of defences but also because he can come back from a defeat at his age.

If Wlad won I am sure there would be a rematch or Wlad would try and unify against Wilder.

So the future would be bright. :)

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what if wlad won tho

wouldn't that be totally shit?

we'd have to watch him hold small guys for 12 rounds at least a couple more times

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No it would not. If Wlad beats AJ then it would confirm that he is a great heavyweight champion not just because of the record number of defences but also because he can come back from a defeat at his age.

If Wlad won I am sure there would be a rematch or Wlad would try and unify against Wilder.

So the future would be bright. :)

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well if there was something to look forward to if he won then it would be the first time there would be something to look forward to whilst wlad was champ


and he might have the record number of defences but he also has the record number of shit world title fights that any fighter has had in any weight in the whole of history

and you cant argue with that :)

I just can't shake the feeling that Joshua having never fought anyone with Klitschko's experience will be found out. Wlad doesn't really need this fight. He is well educated, financially secure and has all his faculties in order. His inactivity is worrying but may also be beneficial. He may be coming in well rested and refreshed. I keep asking myself how is Joshua going to deal with frustration and the longer it goes does the mental side of it affect him worse? I'm really looking forward to this fight which is something I haven't really said about a Wlad fight before.

I think AJ showed good patience against Whyte and Breazeale and stayed composed and focused after landing huge punches early on that didn't quite put the opponent down.
Also the scare against Whyte where he showed a wise head, went back to basics got the jab working and wore Whyte down before banging him out.
I don't think we need to worry about AJ losing focus/panicking more the gas tank running out late in a fight like Frank Bruno used to.

I can't see a way Wlad can handle such a young, strong, fast and proper athlete for too many rounds.

Can only see an AJ KO win

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I think AJ showed good patience against Whyte and Breazeale and stayed composed and focused after landing huge punches early on that didn't quite put the opponent down.
Also the scare against Whyte where he showed a wise head, went back to basics got the jab working and wore Whyte down before banging him out.
I don't think we need to worry about AJ losing focus/panicking more the gas tank running out late in a fight like Frank Bruno used to.

I can't see a way Wlad can handle such a young, strong, fast and proper athlete for too many rounds.

Can only see an AJ KO win

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Agree 100%. Still don't understand why Wlad wants this fight. The only way I can see Wlad winning if AJ chin is made of China.

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I think AJ showed good patience against Whyte and Breazeale and stayed composed and focused after landing huge punches early on that didn't quite put the opponent down.
Also the scare against Whyte where he showed a wise head, went back to basics got the jab working and wore Whyte down before banging him out.
I don't think we need to worry about AJ losing focus/panicking more the gas tank running out late in a fight like Frank Bruno used to.

I can't see a way Wlad can handle such a young, strong, fast and proper athlete for too many rounds.

Can only see an AJ KO win

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Agree 100%. Still don't understand why Wlad wants this fight. The only way I can see Wlad winning if AJ chin is made of China.

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I think Wlad believes AJ is untested and that he will not handle the pressure of going into the later rounds. Wlad hopes that AJ will fall apart and maybe even stop him late like Witherspoon v Bruno. That is his main tactic in winning the fight.

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I think AJ showed good patience against Whyte and Breazeale and stayed composed and focused after landing huge punches early on that didn't quite put the opponent down.
Also the scare against Whyte where he showed a wise head, went back to basics got the jab working and wore Whyte down before banging him out.
I don't think we need to worry about AJ losing focus/panicking more the gas tank running out late in a fight like Frank Bruno used to.

I can't see a way Wlad can handle such a young, strong, fast and proper athlete for too many rounds.

Can only see an AJ KO win

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Agree 100%. Still don't understand why Wlad wants this fight. The only way I can see Wlad winning if AJ chin is made of China.

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I think Wlad believes AJ is untested and that he will not handle the pressure of going into the later rounds. Wlad hopes that AJ will fall apart and maybe even stop him late like Witherspoon v Bruno. That is his main tactic in winning the fight.

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This could turn out to be a absolute beating for Wlad, he only has one chance in my eyes and thats get Joshua stone cold as once AJ gets going it s all over, no way an old inactive negative clincher is going to outwork over power a young terminator like Joshua, Wlad is no Mayweather, he couldn't even handle Tyson Fury.

No one think that Wlads spoiling/ holding tactics will frustrate Joshua? He has never been in that situation. All that holding and leaning can wear you out. Add in that Joshua has never been deep. Wlad can whack too. He can also box although we haven't seen that in awhile. I wish the odds were closer to what the general opinion here is as I'd be inclined to back them.

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No one think that Wlads spoiling/ holding tactics will frustrate Joshua? He has never been in that situation. All that holding and leaning can wear you out. Add in that Joshua has never been deep. Wlad can whack too. He can also box although we haven't seen that in awhile. I wish the odds were closer to what the general opinion here is as I'd be inclined to back them.

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I was the lone Joshua points vote. I know it's a stretch, but I can see that happening. I'm in total agreement that Wlad will use every trick in the book to frustrate/ wear out Joshua. But I gotta think AJ is being prepped for that. I gotta think there's a game plan, when everybody and their brother knows exactly what Wlad is going to do. The one X factor is Wlad's punch, which he can sneak in if AJ becomes too involved with Wlad's fouling. I just hope AJ's team are doing their homework in preparing him for this fight. He's not gonna get a 2nd chance, I believe.

When all is said and done ANYTHING can happen when you get two Heavyweights with KO power.

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No one think that Wlads spoiling/ holding tactics will frustrate Joshua? He has never been in that situation. All that holding and leaning can wear you out. Add in that Joshua has never been deep. Wlad can whack too. He can also box although we haven't seen that in awhile. I wish the odds were closer to what the general opinion here is as I'd be inclined to back them.

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I was the lone Joshua points vote. I know it's a stretch, but I can see that happening. I'm in total agreement that Wlad will use every trick in the book to frustrate/ wear out Joshua. But I gotta think AJ is being prepped for that. I gotta think there's a game plan, when everybody and their brother knows exactly what Wlad is going to do. The one X factor is Wlad's punch, which he can sneak in if AJ becomes too involved with Wlad's fouling. I just hope AJ's team are doing their homework in preparing him for this fight. He's not gonna get a 2nd chance, I believe.

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I know what Alpha is saying but good luck to Wlad if he thinks leaning on AJ is going to tire him out. I think Joshua is way strong enough and streetwise enough to push him off and pivot. Don't get me wrong Joshua's inside game is probably his weakest skill set right now, but I think he knows this and will quickly step off or to the side if Wlad tries the lean thing. Hugs? again I think Joshua being mahoosive in training for this one is not a coincidence. They will come in prepared to literally throw Wlad off if he tries that BS. Wlad has a decent spiteful jab but I don't think he is going to be able to fire it quick enough at this stage in his career to let him dictate the fight and that will somewhat makeup for Joshua's lack of experience. He was a late starter but the pro game seems to suit him much better where power at HW (unlike lower down) really can be the great equalizer. Not just one punch KO power, but strength and power. I think against anyone else, even another big guy like Fury, they build more for stamina and speed . Here it's a chance to announce his arrival big style with an early KO. That you have to think is their plan.

I reckon AJ will come out swinging and Wlad will lay back a bit and attempt to get to the later rounds. If Wlad is past it he'll be stopped, if AJ doesn't fight smart he'll be stopped. I predict Wlad by TKO in 9. AJ is too tight in his stance, he'll sap his strength.


The story of a Wlad win will be the jab and patience vs power and inexperience.

The story of a Joshua win will be fresher fighter who throws and lands more than 1 punch at a time vs an older fighter who never had much punch resistance and who has slowed down.




Simple as that really, I just hope whoever the winner is ends up getting all the belts. AJ has been a class act and he's a very good boxer, no shame in losing to him, although I do not believe Wlad will lose.