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No disrespect to Robert Garcia, but I totally disagree with a lot of things he said.
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Both of those fights lacked drama and excitement because of Mayweather playing it safe and boxing for the full 12 rounds. Mayweather obviously had no obligation to the fans to stand and brawl with Pacquiao and Canelo, because he didn’t have the punching power to fight that way against those fighters. Those fights were dull in the minds of a lot of fans, and it might have made some of them less willing to purchase other boxing PPV events.
Damn right he had no obligation to stand and brawl with Pac and Canelo!! Especially a Canelo who's a MUCH BIGGER MAN. Of course Garcia would've rather Floyd stand and stupidly trade with Canelo. Khan got a little too close and look what happened to him. Instead, in a battle of totally mismatched sizes, Floyd used his complete and total superiority in a boxing ring over Canelo to make him look like a total fool. Yes, a boring ass fight. But one that showed up Canelo for exactly the lumbering oaf he is.
Besides, the onus is on the opponent to put effective pressure on Floyd. Maidana did it. Cotto did it. Why couldn't Canelo and Pac? Pac unexplicably tried these awkward, ineffective rushes at Floyd, which Floyd easily deflected and/or blocked. Then came the shoulder excuse... er... reason. I like Pacquiao... but he completely let his fans down in that fight. It was up to him to take the fight effectively to Floyd.
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The highest boxing PPV since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was Saul Alvarez’s fight with Miguel Cotto in 2015. That fight did 900,000 buys. It wasn’t a great. Cotto mostly boxed instead of going after Canelo to try and knock him out. Canelo fought at a pedestrian pace, as if he were afraid to gas out.
Again we disagree. I thought the fight was excellent. And OF COURSE Garcia would've preferred Cotto to stand and trade with the much bigger Canelo, who admittedly has a good chin. That way Canelo would've gotten his KO and Garcia would've been happy.
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because his promoters at Golden Boy seem to be very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose. They still haven’t matched him against Golovkin, and it looks like they’re waiting for something to change before they eventually put him in with him. I think the PPV numbers will eventually start going upwards, but only when a new star emerges that is willing to fight the best, and not let his promoters steer around to safe fights against past their best fighters.
Not sure if it was Garcia who said this, but if he did, it's the first time I agree with him. "Very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose" is probably the biggest understatement of the century. The bolded part pretty much says it all.
I happen to agree that Floyd has been somewhat bad for boxing, even if he's done well for himself. For whatever reason, he's never had the crowds rally behind him. Whether it be his personna, his fighting style, his perceived picking and choosing, his disdain for what fans want.... he's lowered boxing's stock during his years in the sport.
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I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.
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I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.
Agreed with everything you said, except for the Floyd-GGG part. Personally, I've had enough of these boxing circuses. Canelo stalking around Teofilo Stevenson style before lowering the boom on poor little Khan..... GGG doing the same thing to Brook.... Canelo avoiding GGG at 160, but somehow miraculously jumping to 165 to fight JCC Jr...... guys calling out famous names 2 or 3 divisions underneath them. No... I don't wish to see Floyd back either except for a genuinely competitive fight. But.... with someone his own size.
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I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.
Agreed with everything you said, except for the Floyd-GGG part. Personally, I've had enough of these boxing circuses. Canelo stalking around Teofilo Stevenson style before lowering the boom on poor little Khan..... GGG doing the same thing to Brook.... Canelo avoiding GGG at 160, but somehow miraculously jumping to 165 to fight JCC Jr...... guys calling out famous names 2 or 3 divisions underneath them. No... I don't wish to see Floyd back either except for a genuinely competitive fight. But.... with someone his own size.
I get what your say and I agree to a degree. Mayweather and his fans like to claim he is TBE. Other greats have started their careers at lower weights than Floyd and had success at 160. GGG did also say he would meet Floyd at 154. That fight seems like the only worthy fight he should return for in my opinion. Although I would accept Thurman or the Brook/ Spence winner. There are definitely competitive fights like Lara, Andrade etc but I don't think they are on a big enough stage yet.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
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I don't like Mayweather, I think you have to be as sporting in victory as you are in defeat
I think to be successful to any level the talent has to be there but there is also a certain amount of good fortune necessary
to rise to the level he rose to, enjoy it yes, but recognise the hand you have been dealt
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
If we are talking notable welters (long reigning champs like Mayweather is considered) then there are even more to add. Many of the best welters have challenged the middleweight champ throughout history.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
Did SRL Start as low in the weights as Floyd?
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
If we are talking notable welters (long reigning champs like Mayweather is considered) then there are even more to add. Many of the best welters have challenged the middleweight champ throughout history.
Yet the self proclaimed ATG takes on Berto. :)
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
Did SRL Start as low in the weights as Floyd?
No he started about 140ish.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
Did SRL Start as low in the weights as Floyd?
No he started about 140ish.
Manny Pac rise up the weights is far more impressive than Floyds.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
Did SRL Start as low in the weights as Floyd?
No he started about 140ish.
Manny Pac rise up the weights is far more impressive than Floyds.
Floyds rise in the weights is impressive, you have to think tho most of his big wins are against fighters that have also risen up through the weights
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ive just looked at floyds record to try and justify what I just said and im not sure its quite as impressive as its made out to be
there's a lot of names on there but at what stage of their career?
what is his best win? Canelo? Hatton?
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.
Did SRL Start as low in the weights as Floyd?
No he started about 140ish.
Manny Pac rise up the weights is far more impressive than Floyds.
So is this your way of saying you were Wrong?
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Hernandez? Castillo? Alvarez? Corrales?
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Hernandez? Castillo? Alvarez? Corrales?
possibly, apart from alvarez all at his original weight
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?
I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.
Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time. He is however, in the very unusual position to be able to profit from his boxing skill, talent for self promotion, and the current fixation on boxing vs UFC. He can make himself a shit tonne of money by promoting a mega fight against McGregor--a man who has followed Mayweather's blueprint for self promotion.
Now, boxing fans are mad a Floyd for not fighting all the biggest and heaviest fighters, or the current crop of top prospects. But he's not interested in boxing, or pleasing fans. He's put his health and life on the line for over 20 years of professional prize fighting, and now he just wants to make money. He doesn't want to take any more damage to his brain or body simply for your entertainment. He doesn't want to make other men (management, promoters, gamblers, etc...) a bunch of money by being beat up. He just wants to make money. Which is completely sensible -- but so many people have bought into Floyd's "Money" Mayweather persona, that they hate any, and everything he does.
What Floyd understands, and what many many boxing fans don't, is that prize fighting is about money. Fighters fight for money. Not glory, not to have the picture on the green belt, not to have an amazing set of statistics. Money.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
What weight do you suppose Gavilan, Duran, Armstrong, and Napoles' respective opponents were the night of their middleweight title fights?
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
What weight do you suppose Gavilan, Duran, Armstrong, and Napoles' respective opponents were the night of their middleweight title fights?
Does it matter? they were all great fighters, the likes of whom, Floyd, whatever one thinks of him, never had a chance to face.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.
What weight do you suppose Gavilan, Duran, Armstrong, and Napoles' respective opponents were the night of their middleweight title fights?
Look it up yourself. It should all be there as fighters weighed in on the day of the fight back then. I'd say there was a 4-5 pound difference for Gavilan & Napoles from their opponents. I do know there was a 10 pound difference for Armstrong.
Duran started around 119.
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I think the difference between present day weight cutting/day before weigh-ins, and the disparity between contract weight and fight night weight is extremely relevant if you're going to compare these fighters from eras gone by and contemporary fighters.
Would anyone agree?
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I feel fighters from other eras often fought at weight disadvantages.
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I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.
Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time.
I believe Floyd can do whatever he wants. As long as he doesn't expect the 49 to be changed to a 50.
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ruthless rocco
Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?
I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.
Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time. He is however, in the very unusual position to be able to profit from his boxing skill, talent for self promotion, and the current fixation on boxing vs UFC. He can make himself a shit tonne of money by promoting a mega fight against McGregor--a man who has followed Mayweather's blueprint for self promotion.
Now, boxing fans are mad a Floyd for not fighting all the biggest and heaviest fighters, or the current crop of top prospects. But he's not interested in boxing, or pleasing fans. He's put his health and life on the line for over 20 years of professional prize fighting, and now he just wants to make money. He doesn't want to take any more damage to his brain or body simply for your entertainment. He doesn't want to make other men (management, promoters, gamblers, etc...) a bunch of money by being beat up. He just wants to make money. Which is completely sensible -- but so many people have bought into Floyd's "Money" Mayweather persona, that they hate any, and everything he does.
What Floyd understands, and what many many boxing fans don't, is that prize fighting is about money. Fighters fight for money. Not glory, not to have the picture on the green belt, not to have an amazing set of statistics. Money.
I am sure you would love to see Floyd fight McGregor a novice boxer. Joke.
Floyd was pretty much done with boxing when he signed that fat contract picking and choosing his opponents.
Boxing fans know that it is a business but they are disappointed at Floyd's pretence that he is an ATG.
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ruthless rocco
Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?
I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.
Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time. He is however, in the very unusual position to be able to profit from his boxing skill, talent for self promotion, and the current fixation on boxing vs UFC. He can make himself a shit tonne of money by promoting a mega fight against McGregor--a man who has followed Mayweather's blueprint for self promotion.
Now, boxing fans are mad a Floyd for not fighting all the biggest and heaviest fighters, or the current crop of top prospects. But he's not interested in boxing, or pleasing fans. He's put his health and life on the line for over 20 years of professional prize fighting, and now he just wants to make money. He doesn't want to take any more damage to his brain or body simply for your entertainment. He doesn't want to make other men (management, promoters, gamblers, etc...) a bunch of money by being beat up. He just wants to make money. Which is completely sensible -- but so many people have bought into Floyd's "Money" Mayweather persona, that they hate any, and everything he does.
What Floyd understands, and what many many boxing fans don't, is that prize fighting is about money. Fighters fight for money. Not glory, not to have the picture on the green belt, not to have an amazing set of statistics. Money.
I pretty much agree with every word you said, and I gave your post a like................ EXCEPT for the first sentence.
Why would you "Love to see Mayweather fight MacGregor"? I'm stumped if I'm honest.
I think the World has gone stone cold fucking crazy! I don't know why anyone with half a brain would want to actually see that fight. Now, I know the MMA fans would want to see it, and that frankly proves what I said about anyone with half a brain, but a boxing fan who knows everything there is to know about Floyd? Surely not for fucks sake.
We all know if this happens, it's strictly Boxing , no half and half bullshit. Let's be fair, MacGregor probably wouldn't even be a good enough boxer to become Irish Champion, definitely not British level, yet in his first Pro fight under Queensbury rules, we expect him to make a fight of it against a guy who until he retired almost 2 years ago, was undisputed p4p #1 in the World?
This is getting ridiculous!
I respect Mayweather, without being a big, for want of a better word, "Flomo", and I would never want to see him in a ring again ever! If I was a mega fan, that's the last thing I would want.
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Floyd is welcome to fight for money and earn millions. All power to him. When he comes out saying GGG would be easy work and he would do this and that and that he's TBE that's where the problem starts. Talk is cheap.
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Floyd is welcome to fight for money and earn millions. All power to him. When he comes out saying GGG would be easy work and he would do this and that and that he's TBE that's where the problem starts. Talk is cheap.
That's where the problems start for you, but for him it's marketing-- it's how he's attracted people to his fights, and made him the richest athlete in recent years.
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Floyd is welcome to fight for money and earn millions. All power to him. When he comes out saying GGG would be easy work and he would do this and that and that he's TBE that's where the problem starts. Talk is cheap.
That's where the problems start for you, but for him it's marketing-- it's how he's attracted people to his fights, and made him the richest athlete in recent years.
If that stuff interests you then that's fine. I prefer my fighters to prove what they say they can do in the ring.
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Floyd is welcome to fight for money and earn millions. All power to him. When he comes out saying GGG would be easy work and he would do this and that and that he's TBE that's where the problem starts. Talk is cheap.
That's where the problems start for you, but for him it's marketing-- it's how he's attracted people to his fights, and made him the richest athlete in recent years.
If that stuff interests you then that's fine. I prefer my fighters to prove what they say they can do in the ring.
It's what interests him. I'm pretty sure he's quite happy that you aren't impressed by him. The haters fuel his career more than his fans. For years people have been watching his fights with the hope of seeing him lose for the very reason that they don't like him and his arrogant persona.
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You could ask this question about any fighter , the fact is Floyd is unbeaten so get over it.
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Floyd is welcome to fight for money and earn millions. All power to him. When he comes out saying GGG would be easy work and he would do this and that and that he's TBE that's where the problem starts. Talk is cheap.
That's where the problems start for you, but for him it's marketing-- it's how he's attracted people to his fights, and made him the richest athlete in recent years.
If that stuff interests you then that's fine. I prefer my fighters to prove what they say they can do in the ring.
It's what interests him. I'm pretty sure he's quite happy that you aren't impressed by him. The haters fuel his career more than his fans. For years people have been watching his fights with the hope of seeing him lose for the very reason that they don't like him and his arrogant persona.
I'd just like to see him back up his words. If GGG is such an easy fight wouldn't he take it for an easy payday?
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Floyd is welcome to fight for money and earn millions. All power to him. When he comes out saying GGG would be easy work and he would do this and that and that he's TBE that's where the problem starts. Talk is cheap.
That's where the problems start for you, but for him it's marketing-- it's how he's attracted people to his fights, and made him the richest athlete in recent years.
If that stuff interests you then that's fine. I prefer my fighters to prove what they say they can do in the ring.
It's what interests him. I'm pretty sure he's quite happy that you aren't impressed by him. The haters fuel his career more than his fans. For years people have been watching his fights with the hope of seeing him lose for the very reason that they don't like him and his arrogant persona.
I'd just like to see him back up his words. If GGG is such an easy fight wouldn't he take it for an easy payday?
Even Flomo's know that GGG wrecks Floyd at middleweight.
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You could ask this question about any fighter , the fact is Floyd is unbeaten so get over it.
Like I said in the opening post. The forum had been very quiet so I thought a Floyd thread might generate some conversation.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?
I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.
Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time. He is however, in the very unusual position to be able to profit from his boxing skill, talent for self promotion, and the current fixation on boxing vs UFC. He can make himself a shit tonne of money by promoting a mega fight against McGregor--a man who has followed Mayweather's blueprint for self promotion.
Now, boxing fans are mad a Floyd for not fighting all the biggest and heaviest fighters, or the current crop of top prospects. But he's not interested in boxing, or pleasing fans. He's put his health and life on the line for over 20 years of professional prize fighting, and now he just wants to make money. He doesn't want to take any more damage to his brain or body simply for your entertainment. He doesn't want to make other men (management, promoters, gamblers, etc...) a bunch of money by being beat up. He just wants to make money. Which is completely sensible -- but so many people have bought into Floyd's "Money" Mayweather persona, that they hate any, and everything he does.
What Floyd understands, and what many many boxing fans don't, is that prize fighting is about money. Fighters fight for money. Not glory, not to have the picture on the green belt, not to have an amazing set of statistics. Money.
I pretty much agree with every word you said, and I gave your post a like................ EXCEPT for the first sentence.
Why would you "Love to see Mayweather fight MacGregor"? I'm stumped if I'm honest.
I think the World has gone stone cold fucking crazy! I don't know why anyone with half a brain would want to actually see that fight. Now, I know the MMA fans would want to see it, and that frankly proves what I said about anyone with half a brain, but a boxing fan who knows everything there is to know about Floyd? Surely not for fucks sake.
We all know if this happens, it's strictly Boxing , no half and half bullshit. Let's be fair, MacGregor probably wouldn't even be a good enough boxer to become Irish Champion, definitely not British level, yet in his first Pro fight under Queensbury rules, we expect him to make a fight of it against a guy who until he retired almost 2 years ago, was undisputed p4p #1 in the World?
This is getting ridiculous!
I respect Mayweather, without being a big, for want of a better word, "Flomo", and I would never want to see him in a ring again ever! If I was a mega fan, that's the last thing I would want.
Because I love watching two ego maniacs fights knowing one will likely get destroyed and will have to live in shame for their failure.
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Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?
I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?
I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.
Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time. He is however, in the very unusual position to be able to profit from his boxing skill, talent for self promotion, and the current fixation on boxing vs UFC. He can make himself a shit tonne of money by promoting a mega fight against McGregor--a man who has followed Mayweather's blueprint for self promotion.
Now, boxing fans are mad a Floyd for not fighting all the biggest and heaviest fighters, or the current crop of top prospects. But he's not interested in boxing, or pleasing fans. He's put his health and life on the line for over 20 years of professional prize fighting, and now he just wants to make money. He doesn't want to take any more damage to his brain or body simply for your entertainment. He doesn't want to make other men (management, promoters, gamblers, etc...) a bunch of money by being beat up. He just wants to make money. Which is completely sensible -- but so many people have bought into Floyd's "Money" Mayweather persona, that they hate any, and everything he does.
What Floyd understands, and what many many boxing fans don't, is that prize fighting is about money. Fighters fight for money. Not glory, not to have the picture on the green belt, not to have an amazing set of statistics. Money.
I pretty much agree with every word you said, and I gave your post a like................ EXCEPT for the first sentence.
Why would you "Love to see Mayweather fight MacGregor"? I'm stumped if I'm honest.
I think the World has gone stone cold fucking crazy! I don't know why anyone with half a brain would want to actually see that fight. Now, I know the MMA fans would want to see it, and that frankly proves what I said about anyone with half a brain, but a boxing fan who knows everything there is to know about Floyd? Surely not for fucks sake.
We all know if this happens, it's strictly Boxing , no half and half bullshit. Let's be fair, MacGregor probably wouldn't even be a good enough boxer to become Irish Champion, definitely not British level, yet in his first Pro fight under Queensbury rules, we expect him to make a fight of it against a guy who until he retired almost 2 years ago, was undisputed p4p #1 in the World?
This is getting ridiculous!
I respect Mayweather, without being a big, for want of a better word, "Flomo", and I would never want to see him in a ring again ever! If I was a mega fan, that's the last thing I would want.
Because I love watching two ego maniacs fights knowing one will likely get destroyed and will have to live in shame for their failure.
Utter rubbish. You want Floyd to fight so you can jack off for his 50th fight to claim he is the greatest of all time. No other reason.
GGG would tear him a new hole if he dared to try to challenge him.
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Because I love watching two ego maniacs fights knowing one will likely get destroyed and will have to live in shame for their failure.
Utter rubbish. You want Floyd to fight so you can jack off for his 50th fight to claim he is the greatest of all time. No other reason.
GGG would tear him a new hole if he dared to try to challenge him.
I don't think boxing would stoop so low as to grant Floyd his 50th win for beating a UFC guy.
Besides, isn't he....... "done with boxing"?
Then again, not much surprises me anymore.
