The United States of America

I watched that Vietnam series and to be fair I can understand millions of people there having similar views to Brock. Very bad to invade a country and then abandon it like that.

I like a lot of the men that served there though. They were patriotic but saw that it was a con and that they could no longer trust their country.

In a way I think such a view is the height of loce for ones country. To be able to say I love my country but we were wrong and betrayed those people. So different to the double speak of the politicians.

I would love to meet John Musgrave and people like that. A very cool man.

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I watched that Vietnam series and to be fair I can understand millions of people there having similar views to Brock. Very bad to invade a country and then abandon it like that.

I like a lot of the men that served there though. They were patriotic but saw that it was a con and that they could no longer trust their country.

In a way I think such a view is the height of loce for ones country. To be able to say I love my country but we were wrong and betrayed those people. So different to the double speak of the politicians.

I would love to meet John Musgrave and people like that. A very cool man.

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You are diverting from topic of Brock’s shitty personality stop making excuses for him

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damn Lyle your first two points were weak bit that last one was the worst. When did I say anything about you personally? I think you're reading too much into it.

Also taking literally the expression to put a sock in it that's also a bit disingenuous isn't it. Do you really think it means to take a literal sock and actually put it in someone's mouth? Sheesh

also now to your unsound syllogism on the first two points now let's get to that. Just because there are obese and diabetic children in other countries doesn't in any way nullify or even detract in the slightest from my point that the United States is the king of childhood diabetes and autism and childhood obesity and that was really the main point Lyle but rather than get the main point you want to try to say that I said it did not exist at all outside of the US

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Oh I'm supposed to impress you?

So you've NEVER met anyone kind, civil, caring until you went elsewhere? Ok then

You NEVER lived in a place with ANY problems? Ok then

You don't know why people risk life and limb to get here? Ok then

WE who??

It got personal because I'd chant USA until you want to "jam a sock" in someone's mouth....BUT if you didn't mean it for me then who are you talking to?

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1. Who said you're supposed to impress me? Where do you get that from? 😕😕😕😲😲

2. I met a FAR, FAR higher percentage of civil, decent, sincere people OUTSIDE the US, yes.
You want to make a very big poo-poo of words like "NEVER" and "ANY" and you'll miss (and you did) the gist of it...... Still doesn't negate MY experiences/observations during my 11+ years outside the US.

3. So just because someone wants someone else to cease and desist from a certain action doesn't mean they should physically stick a physical sock literally in someone's mouth, but now suddenly you, the Weisenheimer of All Time want to do what Chris Cuomo does and take it literally. Idioms are unthinkable for Lyle when it suits.

4. Go ahead Lyle, keep taking it personally, even when I don't mention you at all.

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its not about dealing it out and not being able to take or inability to hear critique of the US it is you mr darkness. You just love to irate people. My British hate crime thread is just news articles that pop up that are strange. Your talk is deranged serial killer talk. How dare you

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No it isn't. Its just you showing an utter contempt for England and all the other Brits here. It is something you and Miles and Lyle have in common and it has become like a weird compulsion. Brock makes one post about the USA and you all cry a river. Incredibly feeble. You are all embarrassing yourselves.

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damn Lyle your first two points were weak bit that last one was the worst. When did I say anything about you personally? I think you're reading too much into it.

Also taking literally the expression to put a sock in it that's also a bit disingenuous isn't it. Do you really think it means to take a literal sock and actually put it in someone's mouth? Sheesh

also now to your unsound syllogism on the first two points now let's get to that. Just because there are obese and diabetic children in other countries doesn't in any way nullify or even detract in the slightest from my point that the United States is the king of childhood diabetes and autism and childhood obesity and that was really the main point Lyle but rather than get the main point you want to try to say that I said it did not exist at all outside of the US

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Oh I'm supposed to impress you?

So you've NEVER met anyone kind, civil, caring until you went elsewhere? Ok then

You NEVER lived in a place with ANY problems? Ok then

You don't know why people risk life and limb to get here? Ok then

WE who??

It got personal because I'd chant USA until you want to "jam a sock" in someone's mouth....BUT if you didn't mean it for me then who are you talking to?

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1. Who said you're supposed to impress me? Where do you get that from? 😕😕😕😲😲

2. I met a FAR, FAR higher percentage of civil, decent, sincere people OUTSIDE the US, yes.
You want to make a very big poo-poo of words like "NEVER" and "ANY" and you'll miss (and you did) the gist of it...... Still doesn't negate MY experiences/observations during my 11+ years outside the US.

3. So just because someone wants someone else to cease and desist from a certain action doesn't mean they should physically stick a physical sock literally in someone's mouth, but now suddenly you, the Weisenheimer of All Time want to do what Chris Cuomo does and take it literally. Idioms are unthinkable for Lyle when it suits.

4. Go ahead Lyle, keep taking it personally, even when I don't mention you at all.

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its not about dealing it out and not being able to take or inability to hear critique of the US it is you mr darkness. You just love to irate people. My British hate crime thread is just news articles that pop up that are strange. Your talk is deranged serial killer talk. How dare you

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No it isn't. Its just you showing an utter contempt for England and all the other Brits here. It is something you and Miles and Lyle have in common and it has become like a weird compulsion. Brock makes one post about the USA and you all cry a river. Incredibly feeble. You are all embarrassing yourselves.

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Oh ok, good to know you know what I’m thinking and what I’m thinking I’m thinking is not correct but u are able to see into my minds eye and tell me, thank you

Feeble as always Beanz. Murray defines people like you and in turn it seems it is the likes of you who actually hate the UK. You, like Roche, funnily enough a Jewish child of migrants, who opened the borders, celebrated how finally she felt London had become a better place now that it had become a minority white city. You relish the destruction of your country and cannot handle any criticism of that not so incremental destruction.

You are a twisted and deranged man and cannot seem to see that Walrus and Lyle and Brock too find it absurd. In fact British polling from the 1960's onwards agrees also as does Brexit. You are dealing with the majority of the British public not just a handful of American posters.

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Feeble as always Beanz. Murray defines people like you and in turn it seems it is the likes of you who actually hate the UK. You, like Roche, funnily enough a Jewish child of migrants, who opened the borders, celebrated how finally she felt London had become a better place now that it had become a minority white city. You relish the destruction of your country and cannot handle any criticism of that not so incremental destruction.

You are a twisted and deranged man and cannot seem to see that Walrus and Lyle and Brock too find it absurd. In fact British polling from the 1960's onwards agrees also as does Brexit. You are dealing with the majority of the British public not just a handful of American posters.

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Except NONE of you live in Great Britain. Where are all the actual British people sticking the boot in, the England thread ? Even you don't make any distinction between England and the UK because you don't have a clue about your own history or that of this island. I live and work here everyday but because you are frustrated and people not sucking you off like Walrus and enabling your elitist pessimistic view on life you just resort to you racist bullshit.

God your life must be incredibly shit to have to resort to filling it up with so much bile.

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Feeble as always Beanz. Murray defines people like you and in turn it seems it is the likes of you who actually hate the UK. You, like Roche, funnily enough a Jewish child of migrants, who opened the borders, celebrated how finally she felt London had become a better place now that it had become a minority white city. You relish the destruction of your country and cannot handle any criticism of that not so incremental destruction.

You are a twisted and deranged man and cannot seem to see that Walrus and Lyle and Brock too find it absurd. In fact British polling from the 1960's onwards agrees also as does Brexit. You are dealing with the majority of the British public not just a handful of American posters.

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Except NONE of you live in Great Britain. Where are all the actual British people sticking the boot in, the England thread ? Even you don't make any distinction between England and the UK because you don't have a clue about your own history or that of this island. I live and work here everyday but because you are frustrated and people not sucking you off like Walrus and enabling your elitist pessimistic view on life you just resort to you racist bullshit.

God your life must be incredibly shit to have to resort to filling it up with so much bile.

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I think my bff beaner is a few beers short of a six pack

Do the people being polled over the past 40 years not live in the UK? It's uncanny that the polling somewhat reflects how the forum tends to think. Out of all the posters here Beanz only you and Master suscribe to the open borders mentality and like Roche accuse anyone who objects using the tired and now rather cliqued 'racism' label. It shows a complete inability to acknowledge a respect for the wishes of the British people and shows in turn that you are a die hard Cultural Marxist ideologue. 'You don't live here' is not an argument against a typical 60-70% of people that have deep issues and reservations about the type of immigration NEVER seen in the history of the nation.

I believe that Lyle and Walrus see the UK as an ally and are simply shocked and dismayed at the path it has taken. It matters not a jot where they live to have that opinion. You do not live in America but do not shut up about the place and whether you like it or not you know that I am as English as English can be. If the best you have is 'You don't live here' then you need to try harder.

You are no different to Roche who was a traitor.

Carry on making stuff up about Beanz and I if it helps you get your silly points across. :)

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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"Destroy a country in less than a century" why the moral and social panic then?

No matter how hard I try to get close to beaner he just keeps pushing me away

David Coleman, Professor of Demography at Oxford University "has shown that those identifying as white British will cease to be a majority in the UK in the 2060's." If immigration continues as present it will be much sooner. That is a racial statement, but comes from Murray's book.

It took 50,000 Hugeunots hundreds of years to truly assimilate in the 1700's, so how are you truly going to integrate another 30 million people who will all try to exert and keep their own cultures?

Is that alarmist or just practical common sense concern? This has NEVER been done before and ALREADY it is wreaking havoc with the natives feeling threatened (proven by polls) and continued threats as seen with Sharia courts, FGM, acid attacks, ISIS fighters etc.

It isn't racism to be alarmed at these changes. It means potentially the end of traditional British culture and according to the likes of Greer there already essentially is no British culture. Or Will Self who argues British culture is just about pillage.

Do you think the ordinary person thinks that way? It gets leveled at me that I am not even British by the same kind of weird people that think like that.

I would argue the same about Japan and I bet you most Japanese would agree that they would orefer their country to remain a Japanese based Asian society. Is that an unreasonable demand? There is room for some immigration, but not for 300,000 people a year every year indefinitely. It is insanity.

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

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Feeble as always Beanz. Murray defines people like you and in turn it seems it is the likes of you who actually hate the UK. You, like Roche, funnily enough a Jewish child of migrants, who opened the borders, celebrated how finally she felt London had become a better place now that it had become a minority white city. You relish the destruction of your country and cannot handle any criticism of that not so incremental destruction.

You are a twisted and deranged man and cannot seem to see that Walrus and Lyle and Brock too find it absurd. In fact British polling from the 1960's onwards agrees also as does Brexit. You are dealing with the majority of the British public not just a handful of American posters.

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Do the people being polled over the past 40 years not live in the UK? It's uncanny that the polling somewhat reflects how the forum tends to think. Out of all the posters here Beanz only you and Master suscribe to the open borders mentality and like Roche accuse anyone who objects using the tired and now rather cliqued 'racism' label. It shows a complete inability to acknowledge a respect for the wishes of the British people and shows in turn that you are a die hard Cultural Marxist ideologue. 'You don't live here' is not an argument against a typical 60-70% of people that have deep issues and reservations about the type of immigration NEVER seen in the history of the nation.

I believe that Lyle and Walrus see the UK as an ally and are simply shocked and dismayed at the path it has taken. It matters not a jot where they live to have that opinion. You do not live in America but do not shut up about the place and whether you like it or not you know that I am as English as English can be. If the best you have is 'You don't live here' then you need to try harder.

You are no different to Roche who was a traitor.

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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This is why nobody takes you seriously and you have to make do with a prick like Walrus patronising you. Rather than debate anything you resort to personal ad hominem attacks again and again and again. Calling me twisted and deranged does nothing for your argument, Using some Eton educated Toff as an excuse to "define people like you" again is not an argument. When you and Walrus say" people like you" and "his type" or "cultural Marxist" it is no different to Freedom and his blatant anti-semitic bullshit. What you mean is quite clear. You are both cowardly racist fucks without the bollocks to admit it. It matters not to you that both my parents were born in England and both my Mothers parents for generations back. You are not interested in facts only rhetoric and identity politics. You are the most pernicious of ideologues.

You are using one child of Jewish Immigrants in the Mail's Tom Bowyer to attack another Child of Jewish immigrants in Roche. Neither of them have anything to do with me. I certainly never voted for Blair and have never once suggested that the UK should have open borders. You have to pretend that in order to give your sick bigoted propaganda any kind of credence. You have no argument to present. You are the one asking for DNA tests in the mistaken belief that someone's genetic ancestry can be more British than another. That is primary school thinking. You are also suggesting that you speak for the whole forum because everyone else is sick of challenging your retarded views on virtually everything. You are gullible and childish and as such are in no position to suggest you know what other Brits think.

Master voted for Brexit but because he is not white that is enough for you to dismiss him from being British, or even counting, that is how fucking backwards you are.

The fact that you do not live her is incredibly relevant. You are not at the meeting, you are not part of the conversation, you have no plans on helping with it's conservation, you have no dog in the fight , you have done nothing to help this country, you are not on the ship, you not contributing anything. You are irrelevant to the future of Britain. And thank fuck for that. Who wants miserable fantasists that act like teenagers and want a Blue Peter badge for reading a book ffs?

Don't be such a hypocrite. You use ad hominem all the time. Several times in the last 24 hours alone. Prick.

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

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That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

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That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

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So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

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That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

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So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

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It's not snide. I would call you a cunt to your face if I thought you were acting like one. I don't think you get what it means to be British. Miles is certainly not e very accurate reflection of most Brits. My issues are I am fed up of foreigners telling us Brits what to do. And that includes Miles. He is the one who has alienated everyone here with his suggestion that all the British Saddo parents are brain dead and stupid. He does it daily like yourself.

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In defense of Brock I would say that I would prefer to live in Tokyo rather than New York which is where he is. One is that he would be very unlikely to be attacked finishing a teaching stint there. Secondly the infrastructure is much better. And thirdly you can rent pretty cheaply there. Oh, and finally the women are just really hot. Very little obesity.

In saying that the Americans I know are generally some of the nicest people I have met and I find it very easy to talk to them. With a Brit there is always a dark edge and I know I have that in myself too. I guess also though that I only meet educated and intelligent American people who probably do not represent the entire country.

I think if Brock would give living somewhere else in America a chance he might feel differently. When you are caught up in big cities, have a busy schedule, and are stressed out it isn't just you going through that, it is EVERYBODY! Well everyone else working hard who isn't on welfare anyway and it makes people surly and miserable. New York is famous for that attitude, but how much of that is true I do not know.

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In defense of Brock I would say that I would prefer to live in Tokyo rather than New York which is where he is. One is that he would be very unlikely to be attacked finishing a teaching stint there. Secondly the infrastructure is much better. And thirdly you can rent pretty cheaply there. Oh, and finally the women are just really hot. Very little obesity.

In saying that the Americans I know are generally some of the nicest people I have met and I find it very easy to talk to them. With a Brit there is always a dark edge and I know I have that in myself too. I guess also though that I only meet educated and intelligent American people who probably do not represent the entire country.

I think if Brock would give living somewhere else in America a chance he might feel differently. When you are caught up in big cities, have a busy schedule, and are stressed out it isn't just you going through that, it is EVERYBODY! Well everyone else working hard who isn't on welfare anyway and it makes people surly and miserable. New York is famous for that attitude, but how much of that is true I do not know.

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Well miles we must keep things in perspective. Brock talks about how nasty people are, he is very nasty himself, thank you. Foreigners prob overhear him and talk about how fucked up Americans are

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for someone who is overseas as long as you were walrus you are surprisingly naive or maybe just being disingenuous. When I talk about how horrible American people are when I'm overseas all of the people agree and they say that I am one of the rare Americans who can actually tell it like it is

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Ha ha ha you are funny my truce buddy

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

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Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

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That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

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So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

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It's not snide. I would call you a cunt to your face if I thought you were acting like one. I don't think you get what it means to be British. Miles is certainly not e very accurate reflection of most Brits. My issues are I am fed up of foreigners telling us Brits what to do. And that includes Miles. He is the one who has alienated everyone here with his suggestion that all the British Saddo parents are brain dead and stupid. He does it daily like yourself.

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Never told u what to do and if I did it shouldn’t upset you. I just posted and commented on laws I find funny u read way too much into it. Edit thanks for correcting my typo bud

Well at least you're still using the word truce so I guess there's still some activity to it.

I also was not talking about you as I found you to be the very nice and genuine and down-to-earth person and I would not include you in any way when I say about American people in general. but the patriotism is just too much there because you and Lyle gets too worked up if I say something about American people in general etc etc

I don't feel any patriotism to United States even though I was born here. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth. I actually feel more Armenian and Italian than American and my experience is just what I told you but I'm not lying or trying to troll. What I was in Turkey for 2 years and 6 months dude when I was in Malaysia for 2 years and two months and when I was in Korea for 3 years and 6 months the vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of conversations I had with the natives in those countries for overwhelmingly indicative of a negative impression that at least Turks and Koreans and Malaysians had about American people and American society even worse

I'm not trying to harass anybody by saying that I'm just saying what I experienced.

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Well at least you're still using the word truce so I guess there's still some activity to it.

I also was not talking about you as I found you to be the very nice and genuine and down-to-earth person and I would not include you in any way when I say about American people in general. but the patriotism is just too much there because you and Lyle gets too worked up if I say something about American people in general etc etc

I don't feel any patriotism to United States even though I was born here. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth. I actually feel more Armenian and Italian than American and my experience is just what I told you but I'm not lying or trying to troll. What I was in Turkey for 2 years and 6 months dude when I was in Malaysia for 2 years and two months and when I was in Korea for 3 years and 6 months the vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of conversations I had with the natives in those countries for overwhelmingly indicative of a negative impression that at least Turks and Koreans and Malaysians had about American people and American society even worse

I'm not trying to harass anybody by saying that I'm just saying what I experienced.

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Don’t care, say what u want. It’s just your judgement of people while ignoring your own deficits is odd but yes I’m still honoring the undeclared truce.

This message is to walrus and Lyle. You guys have no problems when I post threads that are called Africa really is a s*** hole and you regularly agree with me in those threads and slap me on the back so to speak or if I started to write about the UK being cock Island which I agree with both of you about you then have no problem with me and we get along great in that thread. But the minute that I say something about the United States and American society Lyle and walrus start calling me an evil troll. Don't you think there's something a little bit indicative and fishy about this? You are too great guys but you're really a slightly bit hypocritical when it comes to your own country

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This message is to walrus and Lyle. You guys have no problems when I post threads that are called Africa really is a s*** hole and you regularly agree with me in those threads and slap me on the back so to speak or if I started to write about the UK being cock Island which I agree with both of you about you then have no problem with me and we get along great in that thread. But the minute that I say something about the United States and American society Lyle and walrus start calling me an evil troll. Don't you think there's something a little bit indicative and fishy about this? You are too great guys but you're really a slightly bit hypocritical when it comes to your own country

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Don’t play dumb u know exactly what u are doing. You got bff beanz but it’s clear as day.

Walrus seriously bro I have written so many negative threads on so many other countries in the world as well. I have written bad things about Israel and I have written bad things about Africa and I have written bad things about 80 and I have written bad things about the United Kingdom. I think that I spread it equally among the topics and the countries

I know what I am doing? I'm good you just criticize beans for acting like he knew what were your inner workings and what was going on inside your mind and now you're doing the same thing to me

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I know what I am doing? I'm good you just criticize beans for acting like he knew what were your inner workings and what was going on inside your mind and now you're doing the same thing to me

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In both cases I was right. I knew what I was thinking and I know your dark workings from our meeting

Beanz, you chicken. You deleted your post about projection and being work shy etc as you sensed I had a great post worked out in my head in response. I will let it go, but pretty wise because I was going to have a lot of fun with that one.

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This message is to walrus and Lyle. You guys have no problems when I post threads that are called Africa really is a s*** hole and you regularly agree with me in those threads and slap me on the back so to speak or if I started to write about the UK being cock Island which I agree with both of you about you then have no problem with me and we get along great in that thread. But the minute that I say something about the United States and American society Lyle and walrus start calling me an evil troll. Don't you think there's something a little bit indicative and fishy about this? You are too great guys but you're really a slightly bit hypocritical when it comes to your own country

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I hate to crash the party because I know I'm not in the discussion... but allow me my two cents.

We're all adults here, so I'll assume we'll all get the gist of this. Criticism of things in countries is totally ok..... IF..... it's done responsibly, objectively, accurately, without an agenda, and hell....... even maybe a little respectfully. But not everyone operates within these parameters. When I objected to you and Miles slagging off Puerto Rico, I objected because of the following simple reasons.

1. You personally started the thread maliciously, looking to get a rise out of me. I saw your game, resisted a bit, but finally caved and we engaged in some back-and-forth. You also purposely exaggerated many things, without proof, backup, research, or data. Just hearsay, opinion articles, and biased opinions.

2. When I hit back at you, you hit me with the "I was just kidding, buddy" line. I called you on that..... and to your credit I think you saw the light.

3. Miles, the forum champion for Race IQ Theory, Separatist Theories on Countries, Single Mother Syndrome, and some pretty thinly-veiled bigotry..... backed up by bogus YouTube bullshit...... jumped into the fray and you guys had your fun for awhile. Whenever someone starts throwing around broad generalizations without real knowledge of a situation..... just some agenda-driven YouTube videos posted by ignorant individuals.... that's a red flag right there.


You probably can't be blamed. You have a hero President who calls African countries "shithole nations", and says all Mexico sends across the U.S. borders are criminals and rapists. Broad-brushing, insulting comments that offend many, many people. I believe the same criticism can be leveled civilly and tactfully. You'll say that's PC bullshit..... and we'll continue to disagree. Not everything is PC bullshit. It's just that it's a lot harder to maintain civility while criticizing than to shoot off the hip, people's feelings be damned.

You're a Baby Boomer, Brock. I'd expect some of this shit from Miles, but you're old enough to know better. I agree PC is the scourge of the world, but we can't go full bore the other way, using anti-PC as an excuse to insult people left and right.

Curiously enough, I'm one of Puerto Rico's harshest critics among my circle of family and friends. I despise the politics....... I do not like the debilitating status we've held under the U.S. for over a century..... I'm disappointed in the inability of our economy to take off after the last recession, only to be hammered by Maria last year..... I wish our infrastructure was a bit more robust (particularly the power grid), to withstand the major hurricanes still to come..... etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. When someone comes from outside the island and speaks to me about these problems, I'm the first to agree. People have said I should go into politics, but I abhor politics. Not worth the aggravation. But it all depends how people come at you.

So yeah..... I've voiced opinions about the States..... good and bad. I lived there for a number of years. I'll voice opinions about the UK if moved to do so.... but I would hope I'd do them respectfully so as to not offend any of our British brothers here. No, I don't think you have to live somewhere to have an opinion..... but you'd better be informed.

Bottom line though..... eventually we all come around. We fight and make up more than high school sweethearts for crying out loud.

Sorry for the sermon.

@TitoFan I'm sorry to disappoint you and I say that jokingly but I did not start that Puerto Rico thread maliciously. If I did I would admit it right now but I did not. You had posted something pretty funny in the problems with America thread or problems with the UK thread I can't remember now and I'm not going to go back to research that but I remember I said something to you like that is a really sarcastic post Tito how dare you say that about the United States I was saying that tongue-in-cheek my friend because you know I criticized the United States more than anybody and you had just criticised maybe Trump or something in one of the threads about American and so I said now that you have done that I am going to maybe even go start a thread called problems in Puerto Rico. Dude I even announced it to show what a joke it was and I started it about 30 seconds later you can even probably check the times on those two posts to prove it. Absolutely positively whether you believe me or not I can tell you it was not done maliciously and that I seriously did do it just as a joke. I'm not telling you that you have a bad sense of humor even though I did it as a joke and that I thought it was obviously a joke. I know that people obviously have different senses of humor and I did not expect you to react like that at all. However since I do not think negatively of you for having reacted like that you should then not think that I did it maliciously either. And that's really all I need to say about this because I know I didn't do it maliciously.

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And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

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Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

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That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

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Ah here it is, thanks Fenster.

1. Firstly Beanz I do have time for limited and controlled immigration. I have always stated that, so that assertion is an obvious lie. You do tend to tell quite a lot of lies and that is par for the course with you.

2. Secondly the notion that I could not 'make it in the UK' is a strange notion. I am not the one unable to afford bus tickets or selling my things. That was you in your mid 40's. I left the UK at 22 and settled down and educated myself in my field overseas. I can walk into a job tomorrow there and easily earn 16-20 pounds an hour, but why would I when I can earn 60 pounds an hour and get time off to do other things like staying healthy and studying language which is important. After all didn't you once call me a 'really shit immigrant'? That's charming, then you wonder why I say things back? I do not live in the UK because my family, work and life are here. I have been here a very long time. I left as a kid.

3. I only work mornings? Well, at least I work! I have no need to work all the hours God sends. As I have said elsewhere in my freelancing days I would do 40-48 hours a week class time and earned a small fortune doing so. I stopped as yes, it is a bit hard. In saying that though, I know I am well paid, so I plan intensively and ensure I provide the highest quality work I can. You can check out my references and evaluations, I have them all printed off. Nobody would ever question my work ethic.

4. Smart people upgrade their skills and manage to find schedules where the hours are less and the work more productive.

5. The reason I mock you over the benefits thing is simple. It is because you tell lies about me and twist things. In turn I do a little rib bending too. You honestly do not see it? I really couldn't care less if you claim benefits and to be honest wish you well in your work.

6. I am not moaning about myself. I am making arguments about societal changes on a forum. It is a free discussion. You represent yourself as do I and nothing more. Remember it is only a forum. Do I vent? Of course I do and so people should! Life is difficult sometimes and we all go through ecstatic highs and hell deep lows. This is our forum. We discuss and talk.

Look, if you want it to be more civil I am more than happy to do that and get on. Shall we give it a go?

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Thanks Fenster, I was looking for a post directed at me and of course it would be there in a reply to Walrus. Anyway, I have kept it polite and hopefully he will respond in kind. He accuses me of Ad Hominem, but as you can see in his post he really flies off the deep end himself. No need for it really.

#DisavowTheBeanz/GandalfTruceNow

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Well at least you're still using the word truce so I guess there's still some activity to it.

I also was not talking about you as I found you to be the very nice and genuine and down-to-earth person and I would not include you in any way when I say about American people in general. but the patriotism is just too much there because you and Lyle gets too worked up if I say something about American people in general etc etc

I don't feel any patriotism to United States even though I was born here. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth. I actually feel more Armenian and Italian than American and my experience is just what I told you but I'm not lying or trying to troll. What I was in Turkey for 2 years and 6 months dude when I was in Malaysia for 2 years and two months and when I was in Korea for 3 years and 6 months the vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of conversations I had with the natives in those countries for overwhelmingly indicative of a negative impression that at least Turks and Koreans and Malaysians had about American people and American society even worse

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Because Americans understand enough English to know what a shitheel you're being that's why you MIGHT have a more difficult time trying to con them

I can laud or critique anything I want.

The problem, then, Lyle? Did i ever insult you personally for anything as an individual? No I did not. A pretty important point that you fail to mention.