The United States of America

[Beanz]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

[walrus]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

[Beanz]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

'Write'

It's not snide. I would call you a cunt to your face if I thought you were acting like one. I don't think you get what it means to be British. Miles is certainly not e very accurate reflection of most Brits. My issues are I am fed up of foreigners telling us Brits what to do. And that includes Miles. He is the one who has alienated everyone here with his suggestion that all the British Saddo parents are brain dead and stupid. He does it daily like yourself.

[walrus]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

So that makes me a bigger cunt? I didn’t right it to have miles agree with me dear beanz just relating personal experience. You have snide comments to an art form. But hey more power to u beaner hope u figure out what ur issues are

'Write'

It's not snide. I would call you a cunt to your face if I thought you were acting like one. I don't think you get what it means to be British. Miles is certainly not e very accurate reflection of most Brits. My issues are I am fed up of foreigners telling us Brits what to do. And that includes Miles. He is the one who has alienated everyone here with his suggestion that all the British Saddo parents are brain dead and stupid. He does it daily like yourself.

Never told u what to do and if I did it shouldn’t upset you. I just posted and commented on laws I find funny u read way too much into it. Edit thanks for correcting my typo bud

[brocktonblockbust]

Well at least you're still using the word truce so I guess there's still some activity to it.

I also was not talking about you as I found you to be the very nice and genuine and down-to-earth person and I would not include you in any way when I say about American people in general. but the patriotism is just too much there because you and Lyle gets too worked up if I say something about American people in general etc etc

I don't feel any patriotism to United States even though I was born here. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth. I actually feel more Armenian and Italian than American and my experience is just what I told you but I'm not lying or trying to troll. What I was in Turkey for 2 years and 6 months dude when I was in Malaysia for 2 years and two months and when I was in Korea for 3 years and 6 months the vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of conversations I had with the natives in those countries for overwhelmingly indicative of a negative impression that at least Turks and Koreans and Malaysians had about American people and American society even worse

I'm not trying to harass anybody by saying that I'm just saying what I experienced.

[walrus]

Well at least you're still using the word truce so I guess there's still some activity to it.

I also was not talking about you as I found you to be the very nice and genuine and down-to-earth person and I would not include you in any way when I say about American people in general. but the patriotism is just too much there because you and Lyle gets too worked up if I say something about American people in general etc etc

I don't feel any patriotism to United States even though I was born here. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth. I actually feel more Armenian and Italian than American and my experience is just what I told you but I'm not lying or trying to troll. What I was in Turkey for 2 years and 6 months dude when I was in Malaysia for 2 years and two months and when I was in Korea for 3 years and 6 months the vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of conversations I had with the natives in those countries for overwhelmingly indicative of a negative impression that at least Turks and Koreans and Malaysians had about American people and American society even worse

I'm not trying to harass anybody by saying that I'm just saying what I experienced.

Don’t care, say what u want. It’s just your judgement of people while ignoring your own deficits is odd but yes I’m still honoring the undeclared truce.

[brocktonblockbust]

This message is to walrus and Lyle. You guys have no problems when I post threads that are called Africa really is a s*** hole and you regularly agree with me in those threads and slap me on the back so to speak or if I started to write about the UK being cock Island which I agree with both of you about you then have no problem with me and we get along great in that thread. But the minute that I say something about the United States and American society Lyle and walrus start calling me an evil troll. Don't you think there's something a little bit indicative and fishy about this? You are too great guys but you're really a slightly bit hypocritical when it comes to your own country

[walrus]

This message is to walrus and Lyle. You guys have no problems when I post threads that are called Africa really is a s*** hole and you regularly agree with me in those threads and slap me on the back so to speak or if I started to write about the UK being cock Island which I agree with both of you about you then have no problem with me and we get along great in that thread. But the minute that I say something about the United States and American society Lyle and walrus start calling me an evil troll. Don't you think there's something a little bit indicative and fishy about this? You are too great guys but you're really a slightly bit hypocritical when it comes to your own country

Don’t play dumb u know exactly what u are doing. You got bff beanz but it’s clear as day.

[TitoFan]

This message is to walrus and Lyle. You guys have no problems when I post threads that are called Africa really is a s*** hole and you regularly agree with me in those threads and slap me on the back so to speak or if I started to write about the UK being cock Island which I agree with both of you about you then have no problem with me and we get along great in that thread. But the minute that I say something about the United States and American society Lyle and walrus start calling me an evil troll. Don't you think there's something a little bit indicative and fishy about this? You are too great guys but you're really a slightly bit hypocritical when it comes to your own country

I hate to crash the party because I know I'm not in the discussion... but allow me my two cents.

We're all adults here, so I'll assume we'll all get the gist of this. Criticism of things in countries is totally ok..... IF..... it's done responsibly, objectively, accurately, without an agenda, and hell....... even maybe a little respectfully. But not everyone operates within these parameters. When I objected to you and Miles slagging off Puerto Rico, I objected because of the following simple reasons.

1. You personally started the thread maliciously, looking to get a rise out of me. I saw your game, resisted a bit, but finally caved and we engaged in some back-and-forth. You also purposely exaggerated many things, without proof, backup, research, or data. Just hearsay, opinion articles, and biased opinions.

2. When I hit back at you, you hit me with the "I was just kidding, buddy" line. I called you on that..... and to your credit I think you saw the light.

3. Miles, the forum champion for Race IQ Theory, Separatist Theories on Countries, Single Mother Syndrome, and some pretty thinly-veiled bigotry..... backed up by bogus YouTube bullshit...... jumped into the fray and you guys had your fun for awhile. Whenever someone starts throwing around broad generalizations without real knowledge of a situation..... just some agenda-driven YouTube videos posted by ignorant individuals.... that's a red flag right there.


You probably can't be blamed. You have a hero President who calls African countries "shithole nations", and says all Mexico sends across the U.S. borders are criminals and rapists. Broad-brushing, insulting comments that offend many, many people. I believe the same criticism can be leveled civilly and tactfully. You'll say that's PC bullshit..... and we'll continue to disagree. Not everything is PC bullshit. It's just that it's a lot harder to maintain civility while criticizing than to shoot off the hip, people's feelings be damned.

You're a Baby Boomer, Brock. I'd expect some of this shit from Miles, but you're old enough to know better. I agree PC is the scourge of the world, but we can't go full bore the other way, using anti-PC as an excuse to insult people left and right.

Curiously enough, I'm one of Puerto Rico's harshest critics among my circle of family and friends. I despise the politics....... I do not like the debilitating status we've held under the U.S. for over a century..... I'm disappointed in the inability of our economy to take off after the last recession, only to be hammered by Maria last year..... I wish our infrastructure was a bit more robust (particularly the power grid), to withstand the major hurricanes still to come..... etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. When someone comes from outside the island and speaks to me about these problems, I'm the first to agree. People have said I should go into politics, but I abhor politics. Not worth the aggravation. But it all depends how people come at you.

So yeah..... I've voiced opinions about the States..... good and bad. I lived there for a number of years. I'll voice opinions about the UK if moved to do so.... but I would hope I'd do them respectfully so as to not offend any of our British brothers here. No, I don't think you have to live somewhere to have an opinion..... but you'd better be informed.

Bottom line though..... eventually we all come around. We fight and make up more than high school sweethearts for crying out loud.

Sorry for the sermon.

[El Kabong]

Well at least you're still using the word truce so I guess there's still some activity to it.

I also was not talking about you as I found you to be the very nice and genuine and down-to-earth person and I would not include you in any way when I say about American people in general. but the patriotism is just too much there because you and Lyle gets too worked up if I say something about American people in general etc etc

I don't feel any patriotism to United States even though I was born here. I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth. I actually feel more Armenian and Italian than American and my experience is just what I told you but I'm not lying or trying to troll. What I was in Turkey for 2 years and 6 months dude when I was in Malaysia for 2 years and two months and when I was in Korea for 3 years and 6 months the vast vast vast vast vast vast vast majority of conversations I had with the natives in those countries for overwhelmingly indicative of a negative impression that at least Turks and Koreans and Malaysians had about American people and American society even worse

I'm not trying to harass anybody by saying that I'm just saying what I experienced.

Because Americans understand enough English to know what a shitheel you're being that's why you MIGHT have a more difficult time trying to con them

[brocktonblockbust]

I can laud or critique anything I want.

The problem, then, Lyle? Did i ever insult you personally for anything as an individual? No I did not. A pretty important point that you fail to mention.

[Gandalf]

And Beanz doesn't make things up? He projects constantly too. He has to justify his viewpoints likely because he knows he has benefited from an immigrant status. I have too but the difference is I do not want the borders open here nor there. It only leads to problems and the immigrant ends up in the middle and that is a shame. Controlled immigration is totally fine, but out of control immigration will destroy a country in less than a century. I don't think anybody wants to see that happen, though with the Beanz types I do have to wonder.

It is cowardly to constantly call people racist as a means of closing down discussion. If I am being racist then I should be banned and I don't think that will happen as I am being factual and a fact is not racist.

Ya know it’s funny. My wife came here legally and never got a dime from the US unless you want to count academic scholarships. Full undergrad than Cornell postgrad all academic scholarships. She got jobs along the way to help with incidentals. She brings over several coworkers whom we have dinner with, two Pakistani coworkers, in the US calling them paki is not derogatory as they have said it at my dinner table and a really nice girl from Ireland who came here not that long ago as she said the opportunities are greater and she said, I have a hard time believing it, it’s cheaper living here and she likes it better. My Albanian coworker same thing. He sits at my table telling me how he was almost killed by the government as his best friend was in some resistance groups. He was actually in fear for his life. He is here, works in my department and has a mason company on the side. So in these cases it benefited the US and the immigrant. I don’t expect the US to close its borders we would just like it to make a bit more sense. All the above mentioned people say getting US citizenship was the best day they have ever had. Ok enough I’m starting to ramble

That just makes you a bigger cunt. Why on earth are you pretending that Miles would agree with you? He has no time for any kind of immigration because he could not make it in the UK. He cannot knuckle down which is why he only works mornings ffs. I wondered for years why after disclosing the fact myself and my families had disabilities he went on this tirade about me being on benefits and being workshy and now finally 7 years later it is quite clear what was behind it. Projection.

I have many friends who have come and settled here from Europe, setting up businesses giving local apprenticeships etc and many who come to work and then return home. I have enjoyed the benefits of being able to work in Europe too, my little brother is currently working in Germany as an Anthropology Professor, but for Miles he is just a lucky child of immigrants, despite being far more disabled than me and working in Britain and Europe, something clearly beyond Miles. Like myself he was born in the UK. Miles life sounds like a piece of piss in comparison and yet he is the one moaning.

Ah here it is, thanks Fenster.

1. Firstly Beanz I do have time for limited and controlled immigration. I have always stated that, so that assertion is an obvious lie. You do tend to tell quite a lot of lies and that is par for the course with you.

2. Secondly the notion that I could not 'make it in the UK' is a strange notion. I am not the one unable to afford bus tickets or selling my things. That was you in your mid 40's. I left the UK at 22 and settled down and educated myself in my field overseas. I can walk into a job tomorrow there and easily earn 16-20 pounds an hour, but why would I when I can earn 60 pounds an hour and get time off to do other things like staying healthy and studying language which is important. After all didn't you once call me a 'really shit immigrant'? That's charming, then you wonder why I say things back? I do not live in the UK because my family, work and life are here. I have been here a very long time. I left as a kid.

3. I only work mornings? Well, at least I work! I have no need to work all the hours God sends. As I have said elsewhere in my freelancing days I would do 40-48 hours a week class time and earned a small fortune doing so. I stopped as yes, it is a bit hard. In saying that though, I know I am well paid, so I plan intensively and ensure I provide the highest quality work I can. You can check out my references and evaluations, I have them all printed off. Nobody would ever question my work ethic.

4. Smart people upgrade their skills and manage to find schedules where the hours are less and the work more productive.

5. The reason I mock you over the benefits thing is simple. It is because you tell lies about me and twist things. In turn I do a little rib bending too. You honestly do not see it? I really couldn't care less if you claim benefits and to be honest wish you well in your work.

6. I am not moaning about myself. I am making arguments about societal changes on a forum. It is a free discussion. You represent yourself as do I and nothing more. Remember it is only a forum. Do I vent? Of course I do and so people should! Life is difficult sometimes and we all go through ecstatic highs and hell deep lows. This is our forum. We discuss and talk.

Look, if you want it to be more civil I am more than happy to do that and get on. Shall we give it a go?