More surprised that swinging bear paw landed clean out of the corner and backed him off ;D
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More surprised that swinging bear paw landed clean out of the corner and backed him off ;D
If Breazeale had gone mental when he staggered Wilder with the counter i'd be a genius :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Almost ;D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Jim Gray speaking truth woah. Wilder over 1 round 'hurt' his arm again :-X
So an Ortiz rematch next then. Why did Breazeale hang around if he wasn't going to speak?
I have to say the Rhodri (?) Giggs Paddypower advert is even better than the KO. Fucking yes! :)
Wilder will fight Joshua when he gets paid, 120 million isn't enough. That's nice to know.
Shows you that Wilder can match anything Joshua is willing to put up. I don't really see the need for Ortiz 2. It was a close fight, but the KO was decisive. I can see Wilder just getting it done earlier. He needs to fight new opponents. Only Fury is worth a rematch but Fury seems to be adverse to it and I cannot blame him considering the end. I think Wilder at this point is the most exciting of the HW's.
Certainly the pendulum is starting to swing a little bit isn't it. ;)
Used to be Wilder hadn't fought anybody. Well... he's slowly working on that isn't he. ;)
Seems Wladimir was the only entry on AJ's resume his fans needed to mention to cancel out anything Wilder had done. Who's AJ fighting next again? And who has he fought lately? Just askin' ;)
Argument was Wilder was fighting in front of 5,000 people in the backwoods of Alabama. Seems he's slowly warming up to the U.S. heavyweight fandom consciousness isn't he. ;) I mean... unless a screaming sold-out Barclays Center is still unworthy.
Time for a disclaimer here. Not a die-hard Wilder fan, nor an AJ hater. Just putting things into a little perspective. Old habits die hard... and it seems die-hard AJ fans will continue dredging up all the reasons as to why Wilder is not worthy.
But......... shhhhhh....... does anybody else sense the pendulum starting to swing a little bit?
Point is, my boxing friends..... that throne is getting just a bit heated..... and it's gonna take a little more than the previous Eddie Hearn theatrics to convince fans that AJ really wants to fight Wilder and it's Wilder holding up the works.
Wanna make it about number of belts? ;D Sure..... ok. :rolleyes: AJ has the most number of trinkets. If that's the argument.... we have nothing to talk about.
That drunken giraffe just steamrollered his mandatory. AJ's leftovers? Great...... let's sit down and talk about it.
All I know is the excuses will start slowly vanishing one by one like so many slammed doors.
While we're at it....... Tyson Fury is a f*cking pussy for denying boxing fans of a rematch the whole world wanted to see.
Saying you actually won a fight that was called a draw and then running for the hills looks chicken-shit, whether a big contract was involved or not. There....... I finally said it.
Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed ;D
So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder?
"It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV) ;D
I am a Joshua fan and I have been convinced for a while that Wilder hits harder than Joshua. He hits very very hard. He may be the hardest puncher in heavyweight history. He’s also scum. He could very well KO AJ as well. He could get KOd too. Fight needs to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.
Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.
Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.
(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom). ;D
But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI am a Joshua fan and I have been convinced for a while that Wilder hits harder than Joshua. He hits very very hard. He may be the hardest puncher in heavyweight history. He’s also scum. He could very well KO AJ as well. He could get KOd too. Fight needs to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Wilder has tremendous explosive power, more explosive in a single shot than Joshua or anyone else.
That's quite impressive, I don't rate brezeale that highly at all, I predict him to lose every fight but the git is big and tough and can take a punch and then come back with some good power. Pretty impressive to put that guy flat on his back with one punch.... I also don't by think Wilder is that good(apart from his pretty amazing power) but he's pretty funny to watch when he gets in one of his weird moods, good for him.
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Originally Posted by bcollins
I get you b. But Wilder's lack of fundamental techniques have become so cemented into people's heads that it's become the immediate go-to argument. Yet I only saw one truly amateurish looking punch in tonight's fight. Albeit a very short fight... but still. Wilder's jab is strong and purposeful. Save for one missed right hand, the other ones were fairly straight. I'd say let's ask Breazeale, but he's probably still wondering when the fight's gonna happen. Yes.... Wilder gets excited when he hurts a guy and that got him a good counter tonight for his troubles. But the final KO punch was nicely thrown.
Just goes to show how tough it is to shake a perception that has become ingrained in people's minds.
It is what the fans wanted to see, it is what I suggested Wilder needed to do, and he has gone and done it. Next opponent please. Oh, and nobody died. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm listening to fans say this KO proves he beat Fury. ;D
Deontay is George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Mike Tyson rolled into one. ;D
I think it's fair to say he has shown improvement. I think it's also fair to say we'll never describe Wilder's fundamentals as textbook. Either way, his power equates to getting the job done in almost every fight he's been in.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by bcollins
I get you b. But Wilder's lack of fundamental techniques have become so cemented into people's heads that it's become the immediate go-to argument. Yet I only saw one truly amateurish looking punch in tonight's fight. Albeit a very short fight... but still. Wilder's jab is strong and purposeful. Save for one missed right hand, the other ones were fairly straight. I'd say let's ask Breazeale, but he's probably still wondering when the fight's gonna happen. Yes.... Wilder gets excited when he hurts a guy and that got him a good counter tonight for his troubles. But the final KO punch was nicely thrown.
Just goes to show how tough it is to shake a perception that has become ingrained in people's minds.
Well placed & timed. Just a picture perfect KO.
That right hand is why Fury claimed he deserved the win, but given the chance to prove with a rematch, he opts out.
Is the HW division really full of saps that Wilder fights & gr8's that Wilder avoids at the same time? Or is it an adjusted argument after Wilder beats 'em?
When he loses he'll be called out as finally being exposed. For me though a loss is never the end. It's a loss.
If AJ had the balls to get in the ring with Wilder he would beat him. Sure Wilder has power but he is fundamentally a flawed boxer and AJ would knock him out.Eddie should pay Wilder what he wants and AJ will do the rest and take the title and shut up Wilder.
Otherwise Fury will beat Wilder.
fuck he hits hard
Wilder is a lot better than I thought he was a year ago. After all 3 have fought in the next month let’s see where we stand.
Still say on any given night one can beat the other so a defeat against one of the other 2 doesn’t rule you out of the picture. These boys will make some serious money....
That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Breazeale has a thing I call lazy hands. He was willing to lay back and let Wilder be first. DB had to jab. So he could jab his way in. He was just lazy. He should have worked Wilder. That's the way to beat him. Watch the Fury fight. Tyson never let him off the hook. It's hard to be first with a fist in your face. Breazeale sould have watch film. We have to understand Wilder isn't that good. He can punch but that's about it.
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Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
Why does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs ;D
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Originally Posted by BeanzWhy does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs ;D
This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.
Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.
Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.
You will notice I didn't actually call you a nuthugger. I am wondering if something is lost in translation here because three deep throats, pillow talk, cults and callouses seems a bit homo-erotic and unnecessary when talking about a pretty definitive conclusion to what was still just another time marking fight. You are a few years too late with British boxing being on the map, because in boxing, as in most other sports, for such a tiny island with a small population we absolutely muller you P4P, in a way that would make Wilder look like he hits like a fairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhy does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs ;D
This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.
Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.
Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.
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Originally Posted by BeanzYou will notice I didn't actually call you a nuthugger. I am wondering if something is lost in translation here because three deep throats, pillow talk, cults and callouses seems a bit homo-erotic and unnecessary when talking about a pretty definitive conclusion to what was still just another time marking fight. You are a few years too late with British boxing being on the map, because in boxing, as in most other sports, for such a tiny island with a small population we absolutely muller you P4P, in a way that would make Wilder look like he hits like a fairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhy does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs ;D
This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.
Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.
Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.
Ohhhhh no. Let's not get into that argument. You'll mention soccer and cricket..... and I'll counter with baseball and basketball. ;D
In boxing you're having a nice renaissance. But don't make me put up per capita numbers and embarrass your ass. (Per capita of course being the virtual equivalent of the p4p you brought up).
Point is, you happily join the chorus line about Wilder ducking Joshua for all the predictable (albeit false and inaccurate) reasons....... while I'll remain the voice of reason (pardon the redundancy) as far as why Wilder and Joshua haven't fought yet.
Making this a UK vs USA thread is as little brother as a little brother can get.
Wilder told them 50/50 and he’d fight. Maybe he deserves 50, maybe he doesn’t. Make it 55/45 in favor of Joshua sounds right. But DAZN straight up wouldn’t tell Wilder what they would pay Joshua in the matchup. If anyone can tell me a multi year contract they entered or a boxer entered without all the terms then we will begin to have a case against Wilder. Since I’m rather sure everyone here knows that isn’t how boxing contracts work we have to acknowledge the guy pulling the strings at DAZN isn’t being forthcoming and thus is attempting to deceive. But we all knew this already, some just want to avoid that plain and obvious truth.
I'm glad we have you to tell us what splits Joshua and Wilder should take.
thats a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
All in all pretty predictable outcome and repeating my first post..just a way to get Wilder back into the KO ":o" talk after Fury and with AJ coming over. Raise your hand if you honestly didn't think that would be the end result? But it doesn't stop at least 3 writers likening him to Mike Tyson this morning :D. Good knock out, bigger and better things need to come.
The 3 diva heavyweights will not meet this year, 2020 is the earliest I can see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Heavyweights are overrated. Bit surprised Wilder didn't once mention AJ when asked about it at press conference. Maybe he's actually keeping it in perspective given that Breazeale was already torched. I still think Wilder needs that emphatic ko, clear win, over Fury first.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe 3 diva heavyweights will not meet this year, 2020 is the earliest I can see it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I didn’t say what splits they should take. I said maybe he deserves one, maybe he doesn’t and I said another split sounded right. At no point did I say anyone should take anything. But it’s okay, you don’t have to be accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI didn’t say what splits they should take. I said maybe he deserves one, maybe he doesn’t and I said another split sounded right. At no point did I say anyone should take anything. But it’s okay, you don’t have to be accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
So glad you're ok with that. What other splits "sound right" to you?
;D - I shouldn't laugh, he'll get really angry, but the irony of this obsession with other mens goolies is funny. I'm sure it's just a translation thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYou will notice I didn't actually call you a nuthugger. I am wondering if something is lost in translation here because three deep throats, pillow talk, cults and callouses seems a bit homo-erotic and unnecessary when talking about a pretty definitive conclusion to what was still just another time marking fight. You are a few years too late with British boxing being on the map, because in boxing, as in most other sports, for such a tiny island with a small population we absolutely muller you P4P, in a way that would make Wilder look like he hits like a fairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhy does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs ;D
This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.
Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.
Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.
So you accept that 50 million offer with no contract or details of Wilder's end, date, venue, anything was bogus? Fantasy? Who was deceiving then, Ron?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The only plain and obvious truth is your double standards when it comes to Al Haymon fighters. Fact.
Sadly, this has the makings of another Floyd vs Pacquiao. Six years of jockeying and posturing, only to get underwhelmed in the end.
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Originally Posted by Fenster;D - I shouldn't laugh, he'll get really angry, but the irony of this obsession with other mens goolies is funny. I'm sure it's just a translation thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYou will notice I didn't actually call you a nuthugger. I am wondering if something is lost in translation here because three deep throats, pillow talk, cults and callouses seems a bit homo-erotic and unnecessary when talking about a pretty definitive conclusion to what was still just another time marking fight. You are a few years too late with British boxing being on the map, because in boxing, as in most other sports, for such a tiny island with a small population we absolutely muller you P4P, in a way that would make Wilder look like he hits like a fairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhy does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThat is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.
When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs ;D
This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.
Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.
Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.
Actually, I saw Beanz's nut hugger and raised him a pillow talk, a couple of deep throats, and some calluses. However, I vehemently object to Beanz's mention of the word "cults", as it has nothing to do with homo-eroticism.