Deontay Wilder vs Dominic Breazeale 18th May 2019 Sky Sports

[Fenster]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed

So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder?

"It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

[Hulk]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder? "It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

I am a Joshua fan and I have been convinced for a while that Wilder hits harder than Joshua. He hits very very hard. He may be the hardest puncher in heavyweight history. He’s also scum. He could very well KO AJ as well. He could get KOd too. Fight needs to happen.

[Fenster]

Nothing like a KO to get the casuals gassed So Deontay knocks out a Joshua victim faster than him and that means..... what about the other common opponents? All of whom Joshua knocked out faster than Wilder? "It took Joshua 7 rounds" - the retards are having a field day (listening to TBV)

I am a Joshua fan and I have been convinced for a while that Wilder hits harder than Joshua. He hits very very hard. He may be the hardest puncher in heavyweight history. He’s also scum. He could very well KO AJ as well. He could get KOd too. Fight needs to happen.

Agree.

Wilder has tremendous explosive power, more explosive in a single shot than Joshua or anyone else.

[TitoFan]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

[palmerq]

That's quite impressive, I don't rate brezeale that highly at all, I predict him to lose every fight but the git is big and tough and can take a punch and then come back with some good power. Pretty impressive to put that guy flat on his back with one punch.... I also don't by think Wilder is that good(apart from his pretty amazing power) but he's pretty funny to watch when he gets in one of his weird moods, good for him.

[Beanz]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

[mrbig1]

Breazeale has a thing I call lazy hands. He was willing to lay back and let Wilder be first. DB had to jab. So he could jab his way in. He was just lazy. He should have worked Wilder. That's the way to beat him. Watch the Fury fight. Tyson never let him off the hook. It's hard to be first with a fist in your face. Breazeale sould have watch film. We have to understand Wilder isn't that good. He can punch but that's about it.

[Yuzo]

Breazeale has a thing I call lazy hands.

thats a good one.

[TitoFan]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.

[Beanz]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.

Why does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.

When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs

[TitoFan]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.

Why does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.

When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs

This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.

Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.

Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.

[Beanz]

Oh no no... hell no. Joshua should remain on his throne. Wait till Wilder is worthy of a shot. Forget selling out Barclay Center and the U.S. boxing public starting to warm up to Wilder.

Joshua beat Klitschko. That trumps anything Wilder's ever done, and damn it..... it should be milked for everything it's worth.

Meanwhile, let the King feast on the Ruizes of the world.




(Only thing worse than a "casual" is blind fandom).

That is just you making an argument I don't see anyone making on behalf of Joshua in order to justify Wilder milking (or being used to milk) the type of people that are now blaming Joshua for not facing a multiple drug cheat. When Wilder supposedly surpasses AJ's resume for knocking out someone Joshua fought many moons ago, and Joshua does not even get credit for staying busier and (including fighting the drug cheats like Povetkin Wilder still hasn't faced) offering Wilder 100 million, then the only blind fandom being employed is by those thinking a first round knockout is a benchmark that trumps anything else.

I started by saying that "the pendulum was starting to swing". But predictably, Wilder haters (and blind Joshua fans) are unwilling to give an inch in their now stale stance, that Wilder hasn't fought anybody.... that Wilder doesn't draw.... that Wilder lacks fundamentals.... in short, that Wilder isn't worthy. I wasn't "blaming" Joshua for anything, merely taking a poke at the decomposed argument that Joshua and his unlikable promoter could sit back and make a mockery of negotiations with Wilder. Not any more. You're the one inventing an argument about a first round knockout. Not me. Still..... I expected a stronger argument from you since you're one of those blind Joshua fans/ Wilder haters. Difference being I'm neither, nor am I a Joshua hater/ Wilder fan. Makes no difference to me. In fact, I deplore Wilder talking about bodies on his record. Was happy to see him actually talking normally and toning it down after the fight.

Why does somebody have to be a Wilder hater to not be overly impressed with him stringing a few punches together against a notoriously slow starter who still managed to tag him after getting caught early before lights out? The whole argument which you are again inventing, is not that Wilder is not worthy but rather the reverse. Other than Fury there is no heavyweight more worthy of fighting Joshua but Wilder and/or his lame team quite clearly do not want it. What more do Hearn and Joshua have to do to make you and the Wilder nut huggers see the forest for the trees? It was like Slim said 'a picture Perfect KO'. That is not the same thing as showing a big improvement for fight to fight or being able to adapt his style to different and dangerous fighters.

When you have to make up Kiltschko as being the only dangerous, difficult or tricky opponent on AJ's CV it's your own judgment that is revealed as being all about hyperbole and getting carried away because an American heavyweight showed up for the first time in years. You seem happy to call Ruiz easy meat for Joshua and yet Wilder is not held to account for avoiding the Whyte's, Povetkins etc. Go and look and see who Wilder was fighting in his first 5 years as a pro. Audley ffs

This is of course an unwinnable argument, as you are clearly a self-avowed Joshua deep-throater, and I just dislike facts being twisted to fit deep-throaters' agendas. You'll parrot the line about Wilder avoiding Joshua, just like Wilder fans will continue to chant that Joshua is the one avoiding Wilder. Frankly, I had enough of last year's soap opera to last me a lifetime. Unless you are privy to Joshua's private quarters or have some intimate knowledge about his pillow talk, you nor anyone else can 100 percent claim to know what is really going on in the minds of Joshua, Hearn, or for that matter Wilder himself. Just like another thread just started up, where a post-fight Wilder press conference is turned into yet another "Wilder is ducking Joshua" cult-like claim..... you'll go happily bounding off after that bandwagon, waving your Joshua flag.

Wilder's first opponents in his career had no bigger critic than me. THAT'S what differentiates me and you. Nuthugging, particularly in the heavyweight division, is something I've never done. You, on the other hand..... and you've probably got the calluses to prove it. I've criticized Wilder's list of opponents in the past.... I've criticized his style..... I've raked him over the coals for his idiocy while speaking sometimes. Meanwhile, you and a host of others deep-throat Joshua like there's no tomorrow. Can hardly blame you, seeing as to how British boxing is finally on the map after years of being nowhere, and the heavyweight division is THE division in boxing. I'm honestly happy for you.

Let's hope the Wilder-Joshua fight finally comes to pass, since after all his bluster Fury went running for the hills.

You will notice I didn't actually call you a nuthugger. I am wondering if something is lost in translation here because three deep throats, pillow talk, cults and callouses seems a bit homo-erotic and unnecessary when talking about a pretty definitive conclusion to what was still just another time marking fight. You are a few years too late with British boxing being on the map, because in boxing, as in most other sports, for such a tiny island with a small population we absolutely muller you P4P, in a way that would make Wilder look like he hits like a fairy.

[bcollins]

But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?

[TitoFan]

But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?

I get you b. But Wilder's lack of fundamental techniques have become so cemented into people's heads that it's become the immediate go-to argument. Yet I only saw one truly amateurish looking punch in tonight's fight. Albeit a very short fight... but still. Wilder's jab is strong and purposeful. Save for one missed right hand, the other ones were fairly straight. I'd say let's ask Breazeale, but he's probably still wondering when the fight's gonna happen. Yes.... Wilder gets excited when he hurts a guy and that got him a good counter tonight for his troubles. But the final KO punch was nicely thrown.

Just goes to show how tough it is to shake a perception that has become ingrained in people's minds.

[bcollins]

But the KO is what Wilder brings. It certainly isn't fundamental technique! He is exciting, simply because you know he's going to do his damndest to KO the other guy, but his wounded giraffe impression makes him seem vulnerable. I think one variable associated with Wilder that hasn't been fully tested is heart. He's shown it to some degree with Ortiz, but can he get up to land his equalizer? This makes for good drama, especially given his power. He's interesting precisely because his fundamentals are so lacking, yet has had little apparent need for them (with a few obvious exceptions). He exemplifies why boxing is such an interesting sport - which attributes obviate others, and in which combination?

I get you b. But Wilder's lack of fundamental techniques have become so cemented into people's heads that it's become the immediate go-to argument. Yet I only saw one truly amateurish looking punch in tonight's fight. Albeit a very short fight... but still. Wilder's jab is strong and purposeful. Save for one missed right hand, the other ones were fairly straight. I'd say let's ask Breazeale, but he's probably still wondering when the fight's gonna happen. Yes.... Wilder gets excited when he hurts a guy and that got him a good counter tonight for his troubles. But the final KO punch was nicely thrown.

Just goes to show how tough it is to shake a perception that has become ingrained in people's minds.

I think it's fair to say he has shown improvement. I think it's also fair to say we'll never describe Wilder's fundamentals as textbook. Either way, his power equates to getting the job done in almost every fight he's been in.