BTW... everything from here on out will be a meme, or a cut/paste from previous posts.
I can't be bothered to respond to your insistence on having the last word with your semantic games.
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BTW... everything from here on out will be a meme, or a cut/paste from previous posts.
I can't be bothered to respond to your insistence on having the last word with your semantic games.
it was admitted in post number thirty one of this thread. what everyone believes is irrelevant to my question. you even admit in this post that he was caught trying to cheat. my question was what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in? you can believe & have any opinion you want. that is not proof though. the fact that you can't bring yourself to admit the truth & be honest speak volumesQuote:
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Originally Posted by TICi asked what fight antonio cheated in. you made an assumption on what i meant by fight. that is your error. my question was not about the definition of a cheater. it was about what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. it has been admitted in this thread that it is none. can you bring yourself to admit that & be honest?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Master
I think we all know that. ;D
It boils down to our definition of "cheater". Our definition is someone who cheats or is caught attempting to cheat. Either way he's a cheater. If tic wants to have his own definition, that's fine.
What none of us will do is go down that rabbit hole of "proof" we've seen a nauseating number of times before (see: COVID). :cool:
NO... IT... HASN'T
Everyone else believes he must have cheated in other fights, if he was caught trying to cheat in the Mosley fight. You choose to believe he never cheated. Your opinion is not any better than anybody else's.
Capiche?
End of story. Good night.
this is the reaction by someone who's beliefs are challenged & they are unable to proves that belief is trueQuote:
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Originally Posted by TICthis is the reaction by someone who's beliefs are challenged & they are unable to proves that belief is trueQuote:
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denialism
That is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
You have been unable to prove your belief for two years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthis is the reaction by someone who's beliefs are challenged & they are unable to proves that belief is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by BeanzYou have been unable to prove your belief for two years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthis is the reaction by someone who's beliefs are challenged & they are unable to proves that belief is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Not that any of that fazes him. He just trudges on... oblivious.
i'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
you are the one with a belief seven times spergy. you have been asked repeatedly to prove your belief but have failed to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYou have been unable to prove your belief for two years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthis is the reaction by someone who's beliefs are challenged & they are unable to proves that belief is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
you have admitted you hold a belief & can't prove it to be true. then get all bent when told that the onus is on you to prove that belief is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYou have been unable to prove your belief for two years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthis is the reaction by someone who's beliefs are challenged & they are unable to proves that belief is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Not that any of that fazes him. He just trudges on... oblivious.
Who cares? He was cheating and got caught before he caused illegal damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
i care & that is why i asked the question. why is it so hard for you to answer the question of what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWho cares? He was cheating and got caught before he caused illegal damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
Why do you care? He cheated and was caught out. So technically he did not hit Shane, so what? Was Margarito going to not fight when the bell rang for the first round? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi care & that is why i asked the question. why is it so hard for you to answer the question of what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWho cares? He was cheating and got caught before he caused illegal damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
i care because there is a distinction between my question & what you are saying. i asked what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. antonio may have been caught allegedly trying to cheat before the actual fight, actual combat, but that has nothing to do with my question. what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in? you have already admitted officially none, the conversation should be overQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy do you care? He cheated and was caught out. So technically he did not hit Shane, so what? Was Margarito going to not fight when the bell rang for the first round? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi care & that is why i asked the question. why is it so hard for you to answer the question of what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWho cares? He was cheating and got caught before he caused illegal damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
There should be no distinction. It is irrelevant. He cheated whether it was in the dressing room or after the first bell. He still cheated. Why does it matter if he did it in combat or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi care because there is a distinction between my question & what you are saying. i asked what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. antonio may have been caught allegedly trying to cheat before the actual fight, actual combat, but that has nothing to do with my question. what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in? you have already admitted officially none, the conversation should be overQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy do you care? He cheated and was caught out. So technically he did not hit Shane, so what? Was Margarito going to not fight when the bell rang for the first round? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi care & that is why i asked the question. why is it so hard for you to answer the question of what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWho cares? He was cheating and got caught before he caused illegal damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
TIC why do you insist on splitting meaningless hairs for the sake of trying (unsuccessfully) to win an argument??
Are you really so hard up for attention that you're willing to say the guy's not a cheater because he was caught trying to cheat just before the fight was scheduled to start?
That smacks of desperation, and a comical lack of anything of substance to say.
Is this how you conduct EVERY argument in your life? Just curious, because it's maddening as hell.
(Well... it WOULD be... if some of us really gave a shit).
The point is... inside you're very much aware that this scumbag is a cheater... and we all know that you know. ;)
And yet... that you're playing word games just to make a point is pretty much fukking worthless, as far as I'm concerned.
I see one poster asking a legit question. And I see two posters unable to answer the question. So I will answer it. There are no fights in which Antonio Margarito cheated in. There were some issues with his wraps prior to the Mosley fight. But that was dealt with. Margarito went into that fight with wraps that were ok. The first fight against Cotto is brought up as one he cheated in. But that's just nonsense mostly brought up by Cotto's fellow Puto Ricans. Cotto didn't lose cuz of loaded gloves. He lost cuz he got hit over 200 times. Couldn't hurt Margarito. And couldn't keep Margarito off him. So he quit.
The issues with Margarito's hand wraps in the Mosley fight led to him being suspended. He got battered in the fight and stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
If he got caught in this fight how many others did he do it in?
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Yet his legacy is that of a cheater. And there's nothing you can do about it... so how's 'bout you crawl back into that hole you seem to creep out of every now and then?
(I'm surprised you're not bringing up Verdejo this time. You seem to have fascination with the guy).
I joined this forum way back in 2006. I've always read more than I post. And I remember all the online blow jobs and hand jobs you would give Verdejo. How he was the next great Puto Rican champion. It was only a matter of time. Nobody was in love with Verdejo more than you. You even brought him up in this unrelated threadQuote:
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Yet his legacy is that of a cheater. And there's nothing you can do about it... so how's 'bout you crawl back into that hole you seem to creep out of every now and then?
(I'm surprised you're not bringing up Verdejo this time. You seem to have fascination with the guy).
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Originally Posted by Rotten AppleI joined this forum way back in 2006. I've always read more than I post. And I remember all the online blow jobs and hand jobs you would give Verdejo. How he was the next great Puto Rican champion. It was only a matter of time. Nobody was in love with Verdejo more than you. You even brought him up in this unrelated threadQuote:
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Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Yet his legacy is that of a cheater. And there's nothing you can do about it... so how's 'bout you crawl back into that hole you seem to creep out of every now and then?
(I'm surprised you're not bringing up Verdejo this time. You seem to have fascination with the guy).
First... no one gives a flying one when you joined the forum. It's irrelevant. Second... yeah so I pegged Verdejo wrong. Once his weaknesses were revealed in the ring... I stopped rating him highly. But of course you conveniently skip over that part... because you just like to stir up shit and then go AWOL for a while. Third... I brought him up in this thread, genius, because you did so yourself in another thread that I have no intention of going back to dredge up. But you conveniently skip over that part also... because again you just enjoy stirring up shit. Well stir away. I rather enjoy humiliating you.
BTW, I'm flattered by your Puto reference, wetback. Puto is actually gigolo in Spanish, and is actually a pretty lofty standard to live up to.
Do you support any fighters that don’t cheat?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
the distinction is in the question i am asking. it is not irrelevant to me. i asked what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. it would matter much worse if he was caught during or after a fight with illegal wrapsQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThere should be no distinction. It is irrelevant. He cheated whether it was in the dressing room or after the first bell. He still cheated. Why does it matter if he did it in combat or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi care because there is a distinction between my question & what you are saying. i asked what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. antonio may have been caught allegedly trying to cheat before the actual fight, actual combat, but that has nothing to do with my question. what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in? you have already admitted officially none, the conversation should be overQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy do you care? He cheated and was caught out. So technically he did not hit Shane, so what? Was Margarito going to not fight when the bell rang for the first round? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi care & that is why i asked the question. why is it so hard for you to answer the question of what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWho cares? He was cheating and got caught before he caused illegal damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
i asked about what fight, actual combat antonio cheated in. you already know the truth as has been admitted in this thread that it is officially none. i didn't say anything about antonio being a cheater or not. just what combat did he cheat in. the point is you can't accept the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
that is the question i am asking but you have already admitted officially none. you can believe or imagine what you want but i am not interested in what you believe or imagineQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe issues with Margarito's hand wraps in the Mosley fight led to him being suspended. He got battered in the fight and stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
If he got caught in this fight how many others did he do it in?
i'm not interested in what you think of his legacy. i'm interested in what fight, actual combat antonio cheated in. it has been admitted in this thread that it is officially none. now based on that i feel someone who used peds for combat is a much worse cheater but someone like shane who admitted to using peds for combat can get into the hall of fame. antonio shouldn't be held to different standards, especially as admitted here it is officially no combat that he actually cheated inQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Yet his legacy is that of a cheater. And there's nothing you can do about it... so how's 'bout you crawl back into that hole you seem to creep out of every now and then?
(I'm surprised you're not bringing up Verdejo this time. You seem to have fascination with the guy).
what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonDo you support any fighters that don’t cheat?Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi'm not asking about before a fight. i am asking about actual combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is exactly what you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Margarito cheated and was caught out against Shane. The only reason he did not get in the ring with loaded gloves was because he got caught out. That does not mean he did not cheat. He was sanctioned for the fight.
How much clearer do you want it?
Is this your convoluted way of saying Canelo is not a cheat when he was caught using PED?
you rated el diamante highly without him actually even earning it? may i ask what fight or fights you rated him highly for?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten AppleI joined this forum way back in 2006. I've always read more than I post. And I remember all the online blow jobs and hand jobs you would give Verdejo. How he was the next great Puto Rican champion. It was only a matter of time. Nobody was in love with Verdejo more than you. You even brought him up in this unrelated threadQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Yet his legacy is that of a cheater. And there's nothing you can do about it... so how's 'bout you crawl back into that hole you seem to creep out of every now and then?
(I'm surprised you're not bringing up Verdejo this time. You seem to have fascination with the guy).
First... no one gives a flying one when you joined the forum. It's irrelevant. Second... yeah so I pegged Verdejo wrong. Once his weaknesses were revealed in the ring... I stopped rating him highly. But of course you conveniently skip over that part... because you just like to stir up shit and then go AWOL for a while. Third... I brought him up in this thread, genius, because you did so yourself in another thread that I have no intention of going back to dredge up. But you conveniently skip over that part also... because again you just enjoy stirring up shit. Well stir away. I rather enjoy humiliating you.
isn't wetback a racial slur? please tell me we are allowed to proceed with any language now, that would be great for the forum & free speechQuote:
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Originally Posted by TICi asked about what fight, actual combat antonio cheated in. you already know the truth as has been admitted in this thread that it is officially none. i didn't say anything about antonio being a cheater or not. just what combat did he cheat in. the point is you can't accept the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's all we needed to know.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by TICisn't wetback a racial slur? please tell me we are allowed to proceed with any language now, that would be great for the forum & free speechQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I answered a racial slur with another one. You don't like it? Report me.
because it wasn't the question i asked. you avoided the question i asked because you can't handle the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICi asked about what fight, actual combat antonio cheated in. you already know the truth as has been admitted in this thread that it is officially none. i didn't say anything about antonio being a cheater or not. just what combat did he cheat in. the point is you can't accept the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's all we needed to know.
Thanks.
i thought puto meant bitch or slut, nothing to do with skin colour or race. i have no problem with it & fully support free speech. i never censor words i use or topics i talk about & would support a forum that stood by freedomQuote:
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Originally Posted by TICisn't wetback a racial slur? please tell me we are allowed to proceed with any language now, that would be great for the forum & free speechQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I answered a racial slur with another one. You don't like it? Report me.
He cheated in the Shane fight. It does not matter if it was in actual combat, he got caught in the act. Your distinction is irrelevant. Margarito would have used the loaded gloves if he was not caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthat is the question i am asking but you have already admitted officially none. you can believe or imagine what you want but i am not interested in what you believe or imagineQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe issues with Margarito's hand wraps in the Mosley fight led to him being suspended. He got battered in the fight and stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
If he got caught in this fight how many others did he do it in?
the question i asked was what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. it does matter. because hitting someone with loaded gloves is not the same as hitting someone with legal wraps. that is the distinction. what antonio would have done is irrelevant. i asked what he did in the actual ring, in combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe cheated in the Shane fight. It does not matter if it was in actual combat, he got caught in the act. Your distinction is irrelevant. Margarito would have used the loaded gloves if he was not caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthat is the question i am asking but you have already admitted officially none. you can believe or imagine what you want but i am not interested in what you believe or imagineQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe issues with Margarito's hand wraps in the Mosley fight led to him being suspended. He got battered in the fight and stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
If he got caught in this fight how many others did he do it in?
It does not matter if it was having loaded gloves in the dressing room and not in the ring because he was caught which is why he did not use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthe question i asked was what fight, actual combat did antonio cheat in. it does matter. because hitting someone with loaded gloves is not the same as hitting someone with legal wraps. that is the distinction. what antonio would have done is irrelevant. i asked what he did in the actual ring, in combatQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe cheated in the Shane fight. It does not matter if it was in actual combat, he got caught in the act. Your distinction is irrelevant. Margarito would have used the loaded gloves if he was not caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthat is the question i am asking but you have already admitted officially none. you can believe or imagine what you want but i am not interested in what you believe or imagineQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe issues with Margarito's hand wraps in the Mosley fight led to him being suspended. He got battered in the fight and stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
If he got caught in this fight how many others did he do it in?
Do not reward Margarito for that, he is a cheat that got caught.
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Originally Posted by TICi thought puto meant bitch or slut, nothing to do with skin colour or race. i have no problem with it & fully support free speech. i never censor words i use or topics i talk about & would support a forum that stood by freedomQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICisn't wetback a racial slur? please tell me we are allowed to proceed with any language now, that would be great for the forum & free speechQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I answered a racial slur with another one. You don't like it? Report me.
In the context it was used it was meant as a racial slur. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but I'm extending you this one courtesy.
BTW, it's "puta" that means "bitch" or "slut". That's the advantage of knowing two languages rather than butchering one you know nothing about. "Puto" means gigolo, but whatever... the intent was the same.
You pitch... you gotta be willing to catch. ;)