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if david b is going to light heavy then i think his days are done at super middle. if we ever get the fight at a higher weight we'll have to wait & see but if he is seriously wanting the canelo fight i don't think moving out of the division is the best way to try & force the fight. fighting & beating the other top contenders (david m, jaime, christian mbilli, william scull & edgar) would do more for david b's career & legacy & towards forcing a canelo fight in my opinion than leaving the division. the other thing i wanted to add was if the wba belt consolidation plan that i think started back in august twenty one is still a thing? they were going on about edgar being the wba mandatory for canelo yesterday but david m should be first in line for a shot at canelo's wba belt
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if david b is going to light heavy then i think his days are done at super middle. if we ever get the fight at a higher weight we'll have to wait & see but if he is seriously wanting the canelo fight i don't think moving out of the division is the best way to try & force the fight. fighting & beating the other top contenders (david m, jaime, christian mbilli, william scull & edgar) would do more for david b's career & legacy & towards forcing a canelo fight in my opinion than leaving the division. the other thing i wanted to add was if the wba belt consolidation plan that i think started back in august twenty one is still a thing? they were going on about edgar being the wba mandatory for canelo yesterday but david m should be first in line for a shot at canelo's wba belt
You’re slightly missing my point. Benavidez wanted the fight , who doesn’t ? It’s the golden ticket!
I don’t think he’s looking to “force the Canelo fight”, I think he just felt that as he and Canelo are the best 2 guys in the division , so he deserves it rather than waiting for Canelo to fight the John Ryders and 2 weight lighter Charlo of this World.
So I’m pretty sure that if you or I put ourselves in Benavidez’s shoes, we would feel like we’re being ducked or avoided.
So now he’s had enough , he’s not prepared to do a “GGG” and hang on Canelo’s nuts and get on with his career.
And like you quite rightly said, Benavidez will not be going back down to SMW.
So if the fight were ever to happen, it would be at LHW. I personally believe Benavidez feels if Canelo wouldn’t fight him at SMW, absolutely no chance of him fighting him at LHW.
But career wise, assuming he doesn’t get the Canelo fight, the next best money is at LHW rather than SMW.
Add to that he can’t keep making 168lb and it’s a no brainier really.
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I swear if they roll Berlanga out I will not stop laughing :-X. Does anyone remember when Eddie floated this back at the time of signing Berlanga? He literally dropped the 'we'll see in his first fight where he's at and who knows if it leads to Canelo'. Canelo is literally out of options by his own choosing too. We are just 69 days out vs TBA. This all very much reads like the playbook of set the bar low and then the fans will bounce back when they realize it's not a woeful Charlo etc. We settle on anything.
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if david b is going to light heavy then i think his days are done at super middle. if we ever get the fight at a higher weight we'll have to wait & see but if he is seriously wanting the canelo fight i don't think moving out of the division is the best way to try & force the fight. fighting & beating the other top contenders (david m, jaime, christian mbilli, william scull & edgar) would do more for david b's career & legacy & towards forcing a canelo fight in my opinion than leaving the division. the other thing i wanted to add was if the wba belt consolidation plan that i think started back in august twenty one is still a thing? they were going on about edgar being the wba mandatory for canelo yesterday but david m should be first in line for a shot at canelo's wba belt
You’re slightly missing my point. Benavidez wanted the fight , who doesn’t ? It’s the golden ticket!
I don’t think he’s looking to “force the Canelo fight”, I think he just felt that as he and Canelo are the best 2 guys in the division , so he deserves it rather than waiting for Canelo to fight the John Ryders and 2 weight lighter Charlo of this World.
So I’m pretty sure that if you or I put ourselves in Benavidez’s shoes, we would feel like we’re being ducked or avoided.
So now he’s had enough , he’s not prepared to do a “GGG” and hang on Canelo’s nuts and get on with his career.
And like you quite rightly said, Benavidez will not be going back down to SMW.
So if the fight were ever to happen, it would be at LHW. I personally believe Benavidez feels if Canelo wouldn’t fight him at SMW, absolutely no chance of him fighting him at LHW.
But career wise, assuming he doesn’t get the Canelo fight, the next best money is at LHW rather than SMW.
Add to that he can’t keep making 168lb and it’s a no brainier really.
i agree david b wanted the fight, everyone does. i agree that david b doesn't feel he should have to force the fight. in my opinion he's beaten the better opponents to be considered the number one guy to canelo. if i was david b i'd feel i was being ducked. i'd also feel i was being ducked if i was david m or william scull who have both been waiting on a belt consolidation & mandatory shot longer than david b, not that they are more deserving though. you are probably correct that the better money is at light heavy, even though i feel david b is a better opponent, he'll probably make more to fight oleksandr & if it comes with an interim belt it puts him in the mix for the artur v dmitry winner. if david b is moving up though he needs to stop talking about a canelo fight from that point. one because i doubt he'll return to super middle & two because canelo will still be at super middle. i'll be disappointed if we don't get the canelo v david b fight & will be critical of canelo not giving us that fight at super middle but if david b goes to light heavy then there should be no more talk of the fight unless canelo moves up as well. the wbc said david b was going to be made mandatory in march, that doesn't mean canelo will be forced into the fight but it would look better for david b & the claims of ducking if he stayed at super middle & waited out the mandatory process, although i understand that he may not be able to make the weight much longer
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Ok let’s put this Floyd v Canelo “who’s the best debate to bed once and for all with facts.
Anti Floyd people say Floyd Cherry picked . Hmmmm, let’s have a look at his last 11 fights (I don’t include the McGregor fight , because as far as I’m concerned, it was more circus than pro Boxing. )
Mayweather vs. Baldomir
Baldomir was The Ring Welterweight champion and was unbeaten in 8 years.
Mayweather vs. De La Hoya
Everything was in De La Hoya’s favour. He was definitely the “A side” and WBC light-middleweight titleholder .
Mayweather vs. Hatton
Unification fight , best 2 in the division.
Comeback
Mayweather vs. Marquez
Mayweather was coming out of a 21-month retirement and Marques was The Ring lightweight champion and #2 pound-for-pound fighter.
Mayweather vs. Mosley
Andre Berto pulled out and although many say Mosley was done, he was The Ring #3 pound-for-pound . Not a bad stand in.
Mayweather vs Ortiz
Ortiz was the WBC welterweight champion .
Mayweather vs. Guerrero
Guerrero was the WBC interim welterweight champion, Ring No. 3 ranked welterweight, and the WBC's mandatory challenger and This was Mayweather's first fight since being released from jail.
Mayweather v Alvarez
“Alvarez was young and inexperienced” - he was 23 with over 40 pro fights.
“Alvarez was made to boil down” - it was 2 lbs. And it was his choice.
Mayweather was 37 YEARS OLD!
Mayweather vs. Maidana
This was a unification bout .Maidana was WBA (Super) welterweight title holder.
Mayweather vs. Maidana II
Some people thought Maidana was robbed and he probably gave Mayweather his toughest ever fight, so he rematches him and beat him fairly convincingly.
Mayweather vs. Pacquiao
Despite the fact that people said it was a few years too late ,(Bizarre seeing as that would be less beneficial to Floyd as he’s 2 years older.) they were still the 2 best fighters on the planet.
Mayweather vs. Berto
I count this as his last fight , I don’t count Macgregor. Mayweather had retired as WBA (Super) champ and Berto was the interim title holder.
Let’s compare that with Canelo ‘s last 11 opponents and see who you think had the better opposition.
Jermell Charlo
John Ryder
GGG
Bivol (LOST)
Plant
Saunders
Yildirim
Callum Smith
Kovalev
Jacobs
Fielding
So we don’t need to discuss this ever again, do we?
Post of the year
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Canelo is back with Matchroom and will have an easy life until retirement.
I’m sure he will drag up some more fighters from a lower weight class to add up his numbers.
Canelo had a great run at 168 but his style will always be beaten by a Mayweather/Bivol/GGG type fighter.
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if david b is going to light heavy then i think his days are done at super middle. if we ever get the fight at a higher weight we'll have to wait & see but if he is seriously wanting the canelo fight i don't think moving out of the division is the best way to try & force the fight. fighting & beating the other top contenders (david m, jaime, christian mbilli, william scull & edgar) would do more for david b's career & legacy & towards forcing a canelo fight in my opinion than leaving the division. the other thing i wanted to add was if the wba belt consolidation plan that i think started back in august twenty one is still a thing? they were going on about edgar being the wba mandatory for canelo yesterday but david m should be first in line for a shot at canelo's wba belt
You’re slightly missing my point. Benavidez wanted the fight , who doesn’t ? It’s the golden ticket!
I don’t think he’s looking to “force the Canelo fight”, I think he just felt that as he and Canelo are the best 2 guys in the division , so he deserves it rather than waiting for Canelo to fight the John Ryders and 2 weight lighter Charlo of this World.
So I’m pretty sure that if you or I put ourselves in Benavidez’s shoes, we would feel like we’re being ducked or avoided.
So now he’s had enough , he’s not prepared to do a “GGG” and hang on Canelo’s nuts and get on with his career.
And like you quite rightly said, Benavidez will not be going back down to SMW.
So if the fight were ever to happen, it would be at LHW. I personally believe Benavidez feels if Canelo wouldn’t fight him at SMW, absolutely no chance of him fighting him at LHW.
But career wise, assuming he doesn’t get the Canelo fight, the next best money is at LHW rather than SMW.
Add to that he can’t keep making 168lb and it’s a no brainier really.
i agree david b wanted the fight, everyone does. i agree that david b doesn't feel he should have to force the fight. in my opinion he's beaten the better opponents to be considered the number one guy to canelo. if i was david b i'd feel i was being ducked. i'd also feel i was being ducked if i was david m or william scull who have both been waiting on a belt consolidation & mandatory shot longer than david b, not that they are more deserving though. you are probably correct that the better money is at light heavy, even though i feel david b is a better opponent, he'll probably make more to fight oleksandr & if it comes with an interim belt it puts him in the mix for the artur v dmitry winner. if david b is moving up though he needs to stop talking about a canelo fight from that point. one because i doubt he'll return to super middle & two because canelo will still be at super middle. i'll be disappointed if we don't get the canelo v david b fight & will be critical of canelo not giving us that fight at super middle but if david b goes to light heavy then there should be no more talk of the fight unless canelo moves up as well. the wbc said david b was going to be made mandatory in march, that doesn't mean canelo will be forced into the fight but it would look better for david b & the claims of ducking if he stayed at super middle & waited out the mandatory process, although i understand that he may not be able to make the weight much longer
Pretty much on the same sheet except for the last paragraph.
Benavidez has gone up and we all know the chances of a Canelo fight are “slim to none and slim’s out of town right now.” But if Benavidez wants to keep answering questions put to him about Canelo by saying he ducked him, that’s up to him.
He should probably focus his energies on Bivol and Beterbiev, but this is the World we live in.
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sounds like it'll be jaime in may now. this puts a big dent in the pbc on prime deal
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Nah, he said he won’t fight another Mexican. ;D
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Nah, he said he won’t fight another Mexican. ;D
things can change. fighters always say dumb shit. i'd prefer william scull over jaime or edgar but dazn probably want a bigger name
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Nah, he said he won’t fight another Mexican. ;D
things can change. fighters always say dumb shit. i'd prefer william scull over jaime or edgar but dazn probably want a bigger name
Honestly, it’s not the fight I wanted, but it’s not a terrible fight. I prefer this than the other Charlo, At least this guy is ranked with all the bodies at this weight.
Some might’ve preferred Mbilli, Morrell , whatever.
No problem , but in 5 or 10 years time , I just know I’m gonna be having conversations on here with people telling me Canelo was the greatest SMW That ever lived.
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jaime would be next in line after david b for me based on his opposition. i definitely agree jaime would be better than jermall. christian mbilli is a good shout, he's co-promoted by top rank & eott i think so there's a possibility there. david morrell is still with pbc so not much chance it happens next. i'd like to see william scull get his ibf mandatory shot, he's a very capable fighter but not really known outside of hardcore circles. there may be those that will argue that canelo is the greatest super middleweight in the future, i doubt i'll be one of them at this stage. david benavidez has one fight left on his contract with pbc so maybe he could do a deal with dazn for september or december this year. the only problem i have with that possibility currently is that if he has to move back down & loses there will be the usual excuses about weight draining & short camps
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Nah, he said he won’t fight another Mexican. ;D
things can change. fighters always say dumb shit. i'd prefer william scull over jaime or edgar but dazn probably want a bigger name
Honestly, it’s not the fight I wanted, but it’s not a terrible fight. I prefer this than the other Charlo, At least this guy is ranked with all the bodies at this weight.
Some might’ve preferred Mbilli, Morrell , whatever.
No problem , but in 5 or 10 years time , I just know I’m gonna be having conversations on here with people telling me Canelo was the greatest SMW That ever lived.
I won't be one of those people.
But then you probably could've guessed that. :cool:
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68 days out. There are greasy politicians who are taking notes on this roll out. Clutter the field early set the bar initially very low, have your lobbyist offer a little feigned hope and promise, let people bait and wait to the point where anything remotely not named Charlo is a 'respectable' step up. Also helps to get the fuss and reactions mostly out of the way pre announce rather than at in the moment ;D. Man has a future in elected office after his pre retire retirement.
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68 days out. There are greasy politicians who are taking notes on this roll out. Clutter the field early set the bar initially very low, have your lobbyist offer a little feigned hope and promise, let people bait and wait to the point where anything remotely not named Charlo is a 'respectable' step up. Also helps to get the fuss and reactions mostly out of the way pre announce rather than at in the moment ;D. Man has a future in elected office after his pre retire retirement.
the timmy v keith fight also seems strangely under promoted. only about five weeks away, no all access type show or anything yet
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68 days out. There are greasy politicians who are taking notes on this roll out. Clutter the field early set the bar initially very low, have your lobbyist offer a little feigned hope and promise, let people bait and wait to the point where anything remotely not named Charlo is a 'respectable' step up. Also helps to get the fuss and reactions mostly out of the way pre announce rather than at in the moment ;D. Man has a future in elected office after his pre retire retirement.
the timmy v keith fight also seems strangely under promoted. only about five weeks away, no all access type show or anything yet
I’m not surprised really. I don’t think it’s that big a fight. I mean Tszyu is obviously a top fighter, but Thurman is old news.
I don’t even see it being competitive.
Personally I think I would like to see Tszyu fight Crawford . Now that would be a big fight. Crawford isn’t getting any younger , so stepping up a weight may be necessary, and in my limited knowledge of the LMW division, Tszyu is probably the best around , seeing as Charlo won’t be getting back down to that weight any time soon.
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68 days out. There are greasy politicians who are taking notes on this roll out. Clutter the field early set the bar initially very low, have your lobbyist offer a little feigned hope and promise, let people bait and wait to the point where anything remotely not named Charlo is a 'respectable' step up. Also helps to get the fuss and reactions mostly out of the way pre announce rather than at in the moment ;D. Man has a future in elected office after his pre retire retirement.
the timmy v keith fight also seems strangely under promoted. only about five weeks away, no all access type show or anything yet
The irony is they pretty much brought Thurman in as the face and a franchise hype man. The initial Keith at the broken scratched podium announcement they did on youtube was on the level of a bad SNL skit. The man was trying to sell me a used car on a Sunday and not believable in selling me a "major" fight. They did nothing risky or broader by running Tszyu as the main and they phoned it in this premier. Especially after the Tszyu build on Showtime before it caved, the man doesn't need recycled Thurman. It feels like a growing trend to rely on social media but even the apps don't grow bigger than the app itself. Actual platform promotions are funneled more at a smaller already established audience. There are 1000-1 more memes about this match than there are professional wider media adverts. I blame Thurman's hairline for the most part :-X. Boxing has drifted into more of short attention span theater with promotions at the cost of growing fans.
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68 days out. There are greasy politicians who are taking notes on this roll out. Clutter the field early set the bar initially very low, have your lobbyist offer a little feigned hope and promise, let people bait and wait to the point where anything remotely not named Charlo is a 'respectable' step up. Also helps to get the fuss and reactions mostly out of the way pre announce rather than at in the moment ;D. Man has a future in elected office after his pre retire retirement.
the timmy v keith fight also seems strangely under promoted. only about five weeks away, no all access type show or anything yet
I’m not surprised really. I don’t think it’s that big a fight. I mean Tszyu is obviously a top fighter, but Thurman is old news.
I don’t even see it being competitive.
Personally I think I would like to see Tszyu fight Crawford . Now that would be a big fight. Crawford isn’t getting any younger , so stepping up a weight may be necessary, and in my limited knowledge of the LMW division, Tszyu is probably the best around , seeing as Charlo won’t be getting back down to that weight any time soon.
the event could have had more support if they did it march first with the rugby league in town. my thing is it's pbc's first show on prime, they are really dropping the ball here with promoting it on a new platform. i personally believe that erickson lubin was probably told to step back to allow keith to take the fight for name value. timmy v bud wasn't happening in march after erickson withdrew
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canelo could satisfy both the wbc & wbo mandatories with a jaime munguia fight
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Adrian broner says he wanna fight canelo
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Sounds like they be having trouble coming to financial terms now with Hearn :-X. Maybe we need to take a step back and ask who's really being over paid and over guaranteed. But that can be said about so many "stars" now, and I realize it's called prizefighting. This may play out as a case example as to what happens when you toss multi millions...just an example...at an Andrade or M Garcia to fight mediocre opponents. Same applies to the Saudi lotto bags. There really are no Kings in boxing and super A side also comes with a shelf life. Meanwhile we have 101 top contenders sitting idle behind these log jams centered around the belts etc.
The wba came out to clarify that now Berlanga is only mandatory for Morrell but not Canelo. What a circus.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/oth...co/ar-BB1j34ZL
"Mike Tyson lashes out at Canelo Alvarez: This is a shame for boxing and for Mexico"
Add another one to the list of former fighters that are bashing Canelo. How many more indictments do we need??
What other high-profile fighters have been raked over the coals as much as Canelo?
Surely this can't all be coincidental. Nor can it be some kind of conspiracy against Ginger. This is a groundswell of public opinion on Canelo from some very knowledgeable and experienced people, including ex-boxers.
What other champion, Mexican or otherwise, has gotten this much hate for blatantly avoiding another fighter, while maintaining he's "the best"??
Every time one of these new criticisms surfaces, I can't keep from grinning from ear to ear. Ginger is getting what he richly deserves.
I know he doesn't give a shit. He's rich beyond his wildest dreams.
But might as well forget all that deluded ATG bullshit. Nobody's buying.
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Sounds like they be having trouble coming to financial terms now with Hearn :-X. Maybe we need to take a step back and ask who's really being over paid and over guaranteed. But that can be said about so many "stars" now, and I realize it's called prizefighting. This may play out as a case example as to what happens when you toss multi millions...just an example...at an Andrade or M Garcia to fight mediocre opponents. Same applies to the Saudi lotto bags. There really are no Kings in boxing and super A side also comes with a shelf life. Meanwhile we have 101 top contenders sitting idle behind these log jams centered around the belts etc.
The wba came out to clarify that now Berlanga is only mandatory for Morrell but not Canelo. What a circus.
just the usual negotiations. canelo has got to a point where he can demand the guarantees he wants. dazn have the right not to invest in those demands. i see it as a good thing & maybe a slight correction of over paying for fights nobody wants. david b has one fight left on his contract with pbc, so i'm good with jaime being next in line, unless david m wants to cross the proverbial street but still being with pbc i don't see that happening next. canelo v jaime is a good fight & will do big business
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rumour is that pbc could still be in the mix to do canelo v jaime on prime
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rumour is that pbc could still be in the mix to do canelo v jaime on prime
sounds like canelo v jaime has been confirmed for may fourth on amazon prime
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So he left for a few days and came back to the dreaded Pbc. Probably the best head feint he's had to date ;D. And Benavidez just made his last fight with Pbc. Bottomline is if Canelo wants this fight, and it's ordered by coddling alphabet boyz then it happens. And he even has David draining down at 90 days for Sept and under contract renegotiations :vd:. Canelo can't even announce an opponent 3 months out these days. The whole thing is a giant circle-jerk. Canelo v Munguia is a runner up and not the one we wanted-needed.
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Ok wait... so help me understand here. So does this mean that Canelo is ok with fighting Mexicans again? It's all a bit confusing, because when Benavidez's name was first being thrown around... Canelo said he wouldn't fight fellow Mexicans. So did he take that back? I'm confused here. Isn't Munguia Mexican? Maybe Canelo meant "I won't fight fellow Mexicans that could beat the shit out of me", and the quote was inadvertently shortened. I mean, it could happen, right? Didn't he fight that human mummy (JCC Jr) some years ago? I mean... that's as Mexican as you can get, right? Oh yeah, that's right. He's a BEATABLE Mexican. That's the difference. Damn. I keep forgetting that Canelo's opponents are always picked at HIS convenience, and only when all the chips are stacked in his favor. Silly me. It's just that I've always been used to fighters throwing caution to the wind in that regard. So today's Monday, and Canelo's ok with fighting Mexicans again. (Gotta try and keep up with this shit).
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Maybe that is why Canelo joined DAZN so he could beat up fighters from England.
Makes perfect sense now.
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I reckon it'll be back to the good ol average Euro white fighters for Nelo again....White fighters who have racked up score of wins against other other less than average white fighterss and few guys from Africa (Probably one of those African brothers trying to cross the English channel on boats) and the odd Mexican cholo.
For most of his career he's been sh*t scared to fight black fighters, and even when he did fight a blk fighter (Charlo) he was a blown up light middle. Benavidez ? Erm...no...he's not white enough. Nelo would have had heart attack if he was around 30 years ago and had to get through RJJ, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Nunn, Watson, McCallum, McClellan
Zach Parker make sure your mobile is charged
Another thing I have noticed why are most boxing movies about white or non blk fighters ?
Vinny Pazienza ended up getting the shyt beat out of him by Roy Jones Jr but even he got a film about his life. I was not even ten minutes in the Roberto Duran film and they got him as a kid knocking out black kids and they segue to his early boxing career as an adult and they got him ONLY knocking out black dudes. Micky Ward, same thing, 2b fair Micky have an interesting story though...but its always the same hard-luck, inspirational type story. Where is the Tyson movie ? That's been in the works for dam near 10 years !!
I guess having a white or non blk hero, particularly one who beats up Black people during the movie, is an easy way to get greenlit and a $50M+ budget in Hollywood.
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Maybe that is why Canelo joined DAZN so he could beat up fighters from England.
Makes perfect sense now.
To be honest , he’s made it look pretty easy. None of them have given him much of a fight.
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I reckon it'll be back to the good ol average Euro white fighters for Nelo again....White fighters who have racked up score of wins against other other less than average white fighterss and few guys from Africa (Probably one of those African brothers trying to cross the English channel on boats) and the odd Mexican cholo.
For most of his career he's been sh*t scared to fight black fighters, and even when he did fight a blk fighter (Charlo) he was a blown up light middle. Benavidez ? Erm...no...he's not white enough. Nelo would have had heart attack if he was around 30 years ago and had to get through RJJ, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Nunn, Watson, McCallum, McClellan
Zach Parker make sure your mobile is charged
Another thing I have noticed why are most boxing movies about white or non blk fighters ?
Vinny Pazienza ended up getting the shyt beat out of him by Roy Jones Jr but even he got a film about his life. I was not even ten minutes in the Roberto Duran film and they got him as a kid knocking out black kids and they segue to his early boxing career as an adult and they got him ONLY knocking out black dudes. Micky Ward, same thing, 2b fair Micky have an interesting story though...but its always the same hard-luck, inspirational type story. Where is the Tyson movie ? That's been in the works for dam near 10 years !!
I guess having a white or non blk hero, particularly one who beats up Black people during the movie, is an easy way to get greenlit and a $50M+ budget in Hollywood.
Canelo beat Jacob’s didn’t he? He was black last time I looked. And Lara. ??
Is Creed black?
What about the guy who does the voice for Mufasa? He played a black Boxer didn’t he?
Genuine request, stick to analysing Boxing cos those posts you do are brilliant, knowledgeable and insightful.
If you wanna go full on race , put it in other topics.
Sometimes you have a point, I’m never going to say racism doesn’t exist, even in Boxing.
The problem is because you go so overboard, nobody bothers to listen.
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Spicoli
So he left for a few days and came back to the dreaded Pbc. Probably the best head feint he's had to date ;D. And Benavidez just made his last fight with Pbc. Bottomline is if Canelo wants this fight, and it's ordered by coddling alphabet boyz then it happens. And he even has David draining down at 90 days for Sept and under contract renegotiations :vd:. Canelo can't even announce an opponent 3 months out these days. The whole thing is a giant circle-jerk. Canelo v Munguia is a runner up and not the one we wanted-needed.
canelo is going to do what canelo wants to do. no one is forcing david b to move up. i said previously that it's a built in excuse for david b if he loses, if the fight eventually happens & david b's already talking about going to cruiser if zurdo wins
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TitoFan
Ok wait... so help me understand here. So does this mean that Canelo is ok with fighting Mexicans again? It's all a bit confusing, because when Benavidez's name was first being thrown around... Canelo said he wouldn't fight fellow Mexicans. So did he take that back? I'm confused here. Isn't Munguia Mexican? Maybe Canelo meant "I won't fight fellow Mexicans that could beat the shit out of me", and the quote was inadvertently shortened. I mean, it could happen, right? Didn't he fight that human mummy (JCC Jr) some years ago? I mean... that's as Mexican as you can get, right? Oh yeah, that's right. He's a BEATABLE Mexican. That's the difference. Damn. I keep forgetting that Canelo's opponents are always picked at HIS convenience, and only when all the chips are stacked in his favor. Silly me. It's just that I've always been used to fighters throwing caution to the wind in that regard. So today's Monday, and Canelo's ok with fighting Mexicans again. (Gotta try and keep up with this shit).
when did you start taking what a fighters says as being written in stone & fact? if that were the case tyson, teo & shakur would be retired & you would have to take all the excuses for fighters failing drug tests as facts as well. you can pick through every top fighters record & find instances where they didn't throw caution to the wind & took easier fights
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I reckon it'll be back to the good ol average Euro white fighters for Nelo again....White fighters who have racked up score of wins against other other less than average white fighterss and few guys from Africa (Probably one of those African brothers trying to cross the English channel on boats) and the odd Mexican cholo.
For most of his career he's been sh*t scared to fight black fighters, and even when he did fight a blk fighter (Charlo) he was a blown up light middle. Benavidez ? Erm...no...he's not white enough. Nelo would have had heart attack if he was around 30 years ago and had to get through RJJ, Toney, Benn, Eubank, Nunn, Watson, McCallum, McClellan
Zach Parker make sure your mobile is charged
Another thing I have noticed why are most boxing movies about white or non blk fighters ?
Vinny Pazienza ended up getting the shyt beat out of him by Roy Jones Jr but even he got a film about his life. I was not even ten minutes in the Roberto Duran film and they got him as a kid knocking out black kids and they segue to his early boxing career as an adult and they got him ONLY knocking out black dudes. Micky Ward, same thing, 2b fair Micky have an interesting story though...but its always the same hard-luck, inspirational type story. Where is the Tyson movie ? That's been in the works for dam near 10 years !!
I guess having a white or non blk hero, particularly one who beats up Black people during the movie, is an easy way to get greenlit and a $50M+ budget in Hollywood.
Canelo beat Jacob’s didn’t he? He was black last time I looked. And Lara. ??
Is Creed black?
What about the guy who does the voice for Mufasa? He played a black Boxer didn’t he?
Genuine request, stick to analysing Boxing cos those posts you do are brilliant, knowledgeable and insightful.
If you wanna go full on race , put it in other topics.
Sometimes you have a point, I’m never going to say racism doesn’t exist, even in Boxing.
The problem is because you go so overboard, nobody bothers to listen.
don't forget austin trout
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
Piggybacking off Denilson's comments, without the racial component...
Truth is Canelo's always been scared shitless of fighting ANY opponent he deems a threat. Specifically a knockout threat. Exceptions? Sure. Bivol... who became a glaring exception to this rule, because he represented another weight division trinket for Canelo to grab. Odd... he didn't go after Beterbiev. Hmm...
Canelo's habit of reaching for a new weight trinket, only to run scurrying back down... is curiously something people stay away from discussing. Why the fukk is that? I wonder. Is this a taboo topic? Hell... it's there in black and white.
But back to Canelo being scared shitless... Canelo's worst nightmare isn't being outpointed by an opponent. Shit... he's an automatic leg up on anyone he faces in Vegas or anywhere else in the Southwestern United States. You literally have to knock Canelo out to get the nod. Bivol was a prime example. He schooled and shut out Canelo... and was almost robbed.
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
Canelo, aside for the marinated, weight drained, over the hill, or undersized opponents.... has always feasted on mediocre or underachieving British opponents. That's where the bronze Canelo statue should be erected. This is why many British fans consider Canelo even more than an ATG. Canelo owes more than he could ever repay to the British. It's not about race, as Denilson claimed. It's about a style of fighter that Canelo feasted upon.
I'm long over being accused of being a Canelo hater. Guilty as charged. Anyone who wants to get me a plaque on that is more than welcome.
But I'll continue asking another question I've always asked.
Why is it only Canelo with the extreme hate? Why not JMM? Why not MAB? Why not Morales? The answer is painfully clear, and I've shouted it from the rooftops since Day 1.
In my opinion, the final nail in Canelo's public image coffin was his blatant, unabashed, shameful ducking of Benavidez. But he saw fit recently to ask Badou Jack to drain himself of 20 pounds, to fight for some bogus "cruiserweight title."
Why is THIS also swept continuously under the rug??
FUKK CANELO.
And yes... I accept the nomination as president of the anti-Canelo club.
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
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TitoFan
Canelo's habit of reaching for a new weight trinket, only to run scurrying back down... is curiously something people stay away from discussing. Why the fukk is that? I wonder. Is this a taboo topic? Hell... it's there in black and white.
canelo fought rocky fielding after back to back fights with ggg & followed by danny jacobs. canelo moved back down to fight danny who was the ibf middleweight champion & was coming of fights against ggg, luis arias, maciej sulecki & sergiy derevyanchenko in his last four fights, all who were undefeated before fighting danny. canelo fought sergey kovalev immediately after fighting danny jacobs in a three belt middleweight unification, moving up two divisions to fight a current world champion, then moved back down to fight callum smith, an unbeaten champion & seen as the number one guy in the division, to begin his attempt to unify the division, which he did within an eleventh month span. canelo then fought the number two guy in the division above him in dmitry. then came back down to fight ggg & john ryder, who he was contracted to fight. ggg was a three belt unified middleweight champion & john had earned his mandatory position & probably should have already been a champion. it's all been discussed before & is just boring for me now. for someone so against canelo you sure talk about him a lot. if i'm not interested in a fighter i'll barely mention them. there are plenty of good things in the sport to focus on like the really good otabek kholmatov v raymond ford fight that just occurred & the intriguing, competitive fights on the aj undercard this week
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
And thank goodness for those other, GOOD fights and fighters. I mention him because he's so polarizing. So I make my case. I also mention him because IMO he has done some damage to boxing. I love the sport and have followed it for years. That qualifies me to talk about Canelo, and talk about Canelo I shall.
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That's the problem and has been..."Canelo is going to do (only) what Canelo wants to do". He's setting a great example for the next generation of pampered Primadona's. Benavidez pretty much just got tired of the stall and BS and let's be abundantly clear to the obvious...Canelo shamelessly refuses to fight the top ranked challenger and has for me rendered the whole "undisputed" mantra meaningless. If you are enabled and green lighted to avoid key matches and fighters you are not resolving disputes. You're getting over on the fans.
On the flip side I think Benavidez even mentioning Zurdo is foolish and an empty vessel. Pointless and you cannot have a bigger contrast in how two professionals conduct themselves. No interest in that at all. Also the fact that, one thing at a time. This sounds again like someone is trying to grease the wheels and incentivize the biggest threat to Canelo to keep going another direction and forget alllll about a 168 return.
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
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Spicoli
That's the problem and has been..."Canelo is going to do (only) what Canelo wants to do". He's setting a great example for the next generation of pampered Primadona's. Benavidez pretty much just got tired of the stall and BS and let's be abundantly clear to the obvious...Canelo shamelessly refuses to fight the top ranked challenger and has for me rendered the whole "undisputed" mantra meaningless. If you are enabled and green lighted to avoid key matches and fighters you are not resolving disputes. You're getting over on the fans.
On the flip side I think Benavidez even mentioning Zurdo is foolish and an empty vessel. Pointless and you cannot have a bigger contrast in how two professionals conduct themselves. No interest in that at all. Also the fact that, one thing at a time. This sounds again like someone is trying to grease the wheels and incentivize the biggest threat to Canelo to keep going another direction and forget alllll about a 168 return.
you are correct canelo will do what he wants to do. he's not forcing anyone to follow is example. i'm not sure i agree that it's obvious that canelo shamelessly refuses to fight the top ranked contender. i do rate david b as the top contender but to be fair david m should be at the front of the line based on the order of mandatories. if you want to say canelo is refusing to fight the current top guys (david b, david m, christian mbilli, jaime munguia, he's already fought caleb) i would agree with that. the problem is we don't know much about canelo's next fight & what his new deal will be. as for david b, like i said previously, if he is serious about a canelo fight he should stay at super middle & fight the other top guys, make his own legacy, if the canelo fight never happens at least he would have built his own path. i thought the idea of going to light heavy was to get an interim belt (wbc making up their rules as they go as usual) & a potential shot at the artur v dmitry winner. i think david b moving up is a bad idea, unless he can't make super middle anymore but his last two fights have shown he can come in under the limit
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Re: Who is next for Canelo?
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TitoFan
talk about Canelo I shall.
no one said you shouldn't
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
That's the problem and has been..."Canelo is going to do (only) what Canelo wants to do". He's setting a great example for the next generation of pampered Primadona's. Benavidez pretty much just got tired of the stall and BS and let's be abundantly clear to the obvious...Canelo shamelessly refuses to fight the top ranked challenger and has for me rendered the whole "undisputed" mantra meaningless. If you are enabled and green lighted to avoid key matches and fighters you are not resolving disputes. You're getting over on the fans.
On the flip side I think Benavidez even mentioning Zurdo is foolish and an empty vessel. Pointless and you cannot have a bigger contrast in how two professionals conduct themselves. No interest in that at all. Also the fact that, one thing at a time. This sounds again like someone is trying to grease the wheels and incentivize the biggest threat to Canelo to keep going another direction and forget alllll about a 168 return.
you are correct canelo will do what he wants to do. he's not forcing anyone to follow is example. i'm not sure i agree that it's obvious that canelo shamelessly refuses to fight the top ranked contender. i do rate david b as the top contender but to be fair david m should be at the front of the line based on the order of mandatories. if you want to say canelo is refusing to fight the current top guys (david b, david m, christian mbilli, jaime munguia, he's already fought caleb) i would agree with that. the problem is we don't know much about canelo's next fight & what his new deal will be. as for david b, like i said previously, if he is serious about a canelo fight he should stay at super middle & fight the other top guys, make his own legacy, if the canelo fight never happens at least he would have built his own path. i thought the idea of going to light heavy was to get an interim belt (wbc making up their rules as they go as usual) & a potential shot at the artur v dmitry winner. i think david b moving up is a bad idea, unless he can't make super middle anymore but his last two fights have shown he can come in under the limit
You and I have gone over Morrell and Benavidez so we'll chalk that up as a disagreement to agree on. Morrell may be a 'regular' title holder for the wba but he's fought zero top 10 fighters. With respect you are the single sole individual I've come across that does not consider Benavidez as the top deserving challenger to Canelo. Morrell just inherited Berlanga as a #1 along with Canelo so it's quite possible Morrell can start there by beating his first name fighter. We'll hopefully see that happen. The shat thing to do would be to skip right over Morrell and his title in order to serve Berlanga up to Cinnaduck in Sept. I seriously hope not.
