~ SSM vs. Margartio ~ Let's talk here!

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

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Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN

For those who say it was vintage Mosely, I say they are wrong. Mosely was better tonight than he has been in the past. He threw more and was much more aggressive until he softened Margie up (which he did unlike anyone I've ever seen.) Good job Shane!

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Yes and no. You're right about his jab. I can't remember the last time I saw Mosley use his jab that effectively. It was one of the huge factors tonight. On the other hand. Shane pummeling Tony with right hands, going upstairs and downstairs, and snapping off vicious hooks is vintage Mosley. He brawled in spots (vintage Mosley) and used his feet and clinches to control distance (also vintage Mosley.)

To all those who said Cotto hits harder than Shane...how you like them apples?

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Ag6-9reed. Vintage Shane showed up 6-9.

Watch the Cotto-Mosley fight. Cotto was punching off his back foot against Margarito still landed harder shots, but he was beating Margarito up mentally, he wasn't stopping Margarito from landing punches, and he wasn't tiring Margarito out.

Want another example like this
MAyweather-Corrales vs Corrales-Castillo: Castillo landed probably 3x as many punches against Corrales, because Corrales was able to find Castillo it changes your mindset in there. Being able to hit your opponent makes you tougher, it your strength doesn't get sapped as much knowing the other guy is going through what you are. That's why Holyfield could survive against bigger heavyweights, thats why Leonard survived against Duran in their first fight.

Look at Cotto/Margie and look at Mosley/Margie. The size difference is remerkable...in the ring!!

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I think Margarito wins this. But would not be shocked if Mosley does to Margarito what Hopkins did to Pavlik

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It was even worse than Hopkins-Pavlik. But damn your Boxing knowledge is without peer.

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But...didn't you pick Margarito to win.....

Just watched the fight and Mosley was sensational. He was quicker and more accurate and after he landed he'd stay inside - perfect gameplan. The finish was superb - Margarito was a finished man at the end of the 8th and it need one last effort from Shane to finish it in the 9th and he delivered.

I think I only gave 1 round to Margarito - the 7th other than that it was all Shane.

Credit to his trainer Nazim Richardson who has helped Hopkins against Pavlik and now Mosley against Margarito.

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

Just watched the fight and Mosley was sensational. He was quicker and more accurate and after he landed he'd stay inside - perfect gameplan. The finish was superb - Margarito was a finished man at the end of the 8th and it need one last effort from Shane to finish it in the 9th and he delivered.

I think I only gave 1 round to Margarito - the 7th other than that it was all Shane.

Credit to his trainer Nazim Richardson who has helped Hopkins against Pavlik and now Mosley against Margarito.

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That was a cracker even though I tipped Margarito, full props to Shane.

Great performance by Mosley. He must have broke the world record for righthand bombs landed.

Margarito looked "off" from the start.. although the beating was so comprehensive, even if at his best you couldn't see him coming close to winning.

I got it badly wrong. But will never completely write-off a great fighter again.. however jaded he has seemingly become.

Well I got that totally wrong, I will hold my hands up and say very well done Shane Mosley. It was a really dominate performance IMO and he used his snappy combinations with great power and great footwork. He looked quick and powerful and he was too much for Margartio. I didnt expect him to stop Margartio but that right hand was unbelieve from Mosley.

I now have learnt that Margarito is a human and he can fall, this will be a tough fight for him to get over and maybe the Cotto fight took a lot out of him?

I bet the promoters are pissed off at the outcome of this fight, it will seem like these 3 Cotto, Margarito and Mosley are like a merry go round. I wonder what Mosley would want now? I think he would like to avenge the loss to Cotto, but Cotto wants to avenge the loss to Magartio and after last night he might think he is there for the taking? Margarito I have no doubt would want another pop at Mosley but how would he get that without beating Cotto again? Wont the boxing fans be pissed off if Margarit-Cotto 2 happens now?

Man this is wrecking my head, the 147 weight class is so so entertaining, where is Floyd Mayweather?

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Anyone watching this on Setanta in the UK?

I fucking hate Steve Bunce. I honestly don't think I've ever heard anyone display such a lack of boxing knowledge and spout it as if its fucking gospel in my life. Sorry to rant guys, but I really hate that fat twat!

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He always gives me a good laugh. What was he saying?

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Just saying how this fight exposed Cotto as being a bully and not a good fighter and that Ricky Hatton always said give me Cotto and I'll expose him. Don't ever remember Ricky saying that and how was Cotto exposed as being a bully and not a good fighter by Tony?

Last week on his boxing hour he called Arreola a boring fighter.

A few weeks ago he said K9 Bundrage was a bum and Jamie Moore was much more deserving of a light-middleweight world title shot.

He also licks the sweat of every british fighters bollocks. Tonight he said Maccarinelli was the danger man in the Cruiser divsion and is the man to beat.

I find it hard to listen to as this man preaches his opinions as if they'e gospel. Fucking dick head!

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Remember him saying this a few weeks back, what a load of shit, Hatton never, ever,evrr, ever, ever claimed that in public, and if he does then lets see it happen.

As for Shane, awesome. I don't think Marg was off at all, just that Shane had the style to beat him. He still took an inhuman amount of punishment, great chin but the worst defense in boxing.

As for the wraps, for the moment it's speculation. If we believed every single speculation then there'd be no one to cheer e.g. One of the most loved fighters of all time was known as the hands of stone, and his trainer had previous - easy to put 2 and 2 together and come up with anything you want, which is what the Cotto fans seem to be grasping to.

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Well I got that totally wrong, I will hold my hands up and say very well done Shane Mosley. It was a really dominate performance IMO and he used his snappy combinations with great power and great footwork. He looked quick and powerful and he was too much for Margartio. I didnt expect him to stop Margartio but that right hand was unbelieve from Mosley.

I now have learnt that Margarito is a human and he can fall, this will be a tough fight for him to get over and maybe the Cotto fight took a lot out of him?

I bet the promoters are pissed off at the outcome of this fight, it will seem like these 3 Cotto, Margarito and Mosley are like a merry go round. I wonder what Mosley would want now? I think he would like to avenge the loss to Cotto, but Cotto wants to avenge the loss to Magartio and after last night he might think he is there for the taking? Margarito I have no doubt would want another pop at Mosley but how would he get that without beating Cotto again? Wont the boxing fans be pissed off if Margarit-Cotto 2 happens now?

Man this is wrecking my head, the 147 weight class is so so entertaining, where is Floyd Mayweather?

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He's waiting patiently for the right moment and right matchup.

If Pac beats Hatton, I think Floyd will make that fight immediately. He probably already has the contract written. If Hatton wins, I think he will see if Mosley/Cotto rematch happens and if it does, Floyd will fight the winner. Shane beat Tony so thoroughly that if Cotto beats Mosley a second time, it sets him up for a Floyd fight. If Shane can avenge his loss to Cotto, Mosley becomes the obvious choice. Mayweather may even jump right into a fight with Mosley if Hatton wins. Mosley, even with the Cotto loss, put himself in a great position with that win last night, and we all know Floyd loves fighting old guys. :-X

I never thought in a million years that the outcome of this fight would be Margarito on the canvas. I was thinking that if Margarito took all of those shots against Cotto, then he can take anything from Mosely. Mosely looked very nice last night, not letting Margarito bully him or get him in the ropes. I don't think Margarito was off, just that styles makes fights. Mosely, Cotto, and Margarito may be the new Ali, Foreman, Fraiser. Mosely's stamina has never been a question nor his speed, for me it was always his power but he certainly proved me wrong last night. I guess this opens up a lot of possible matchups, but I would like Cotto to fight Margarito again before Mosely. When Mayweather comes back, combined with Pacquiao, Berto, Williams, this division is stacked. Deffinitly the most exciting division in boxing. Mosely deserves alot of credit. Nice game plan!

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I didn't give Shane enough credit. I picked Shane to win in the KS sportsbook, but I wimped out in in the pred contest by picking him by SD instead of KO or UD. I thought he would win a close decision. I never envisioned Shane knocking Tony out. I wish I would have known about Tony's handwraps. Then I might have called the fight exactly.

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I predicted Shane would do something special tonite, just felt it.. Along with Bhop he is the most durable fighter I have seen in my lifetime. He has a chance against anyone and everyone he steps in the ring with. His longevity and track record is amazing, look at him and then look at the guys who beat him and look at the shape their in now, excluding Cotto

Forrest- on the slide

Winky- inactive

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

Shane is once of my favorites and I've been defending him for ages on this board. Not too many of us gave him a chance. If anybody predicted KO for Shane, I bow down to your awesomeness. I knew Mosley was going to to give Tony problems. Let me repeat...Shane has only lost to fighters who can outjab him. I put too much stock in Tony's destruction of Cotto (little did I know Tony had illegal wraps for that one). It was that power that made me think it would be a close fight. Who was it that said Mosley was more brawler than boxer and wasn't a good counterpuncher? Taeth, care to eat some crow, along with several others. Ha Ha Ha. Go back to abusing yourself over your posters of Floyd Mayweather.

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I'm with you on this one, been supporting Shane his whole career and have never picked against him, he is a gamer and one of those fighters who seemed unfazed by the challenge. I wont lie I didnt predict KO figured he might pull an Hopkins and put on a clinic, but man Shane mangled his ass.

There was a sequence in the 1st 2 rounds, were in the clinch Shane grabbed Tony effortlesly spun him like a rag doll, thats when I knew Shane was going to be fine, he takes shit from no one and was spoiling Tony on the inside grinding him down being crafty with head, which helped set up all his other work..
Shane is a little of everything brawler,Counterpuncher etc..

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

I'm so sad to hear about Tony using illegal wraps. (or his team, seriously, maybe he didn't know. I just can't believe Tony was intentionally cheating. I can believe his trainer cheated, but please, I don't want to believe that Tony is a cheater) I'm a huge Margarito fan and part of me was pulling for him to pull out a close decision. I hope that's not the reason why he beat Cotto, but we will never know. It puts a cloud over Tony's other accomplishments, and it will give people an excuse to take away from Shane's brilliant performance, perhaps the best of his career considering his age. It's a bittersweet night. I take no pleasure in seeing Tony fall. I'm just happy to see Shane succeed.

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I feel you man, big Margo fan myself, but I liked to believe it was an isolated incident, tony is a warrior and Cotto fought the wrong fight, nothing more nothing less.. Cotto's question mark has ALWAYS been his chin and durability. The wraps didnt make the difference

IMO you could have put Shane in Cotto's place for the July showdown and Mosely wouldnt have withered down the stretch, especially with such a big lead.. Cotto is spectacular but durability wasnt his shining spot..

Shane proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is one of the most durable fighters of this area, win lose or draw has to be top 4 in active fighters quality of resume.. and its no coincidence that Delahoya and Hopkins are up their too

The reports of Mosleys decline have been over exaggerated Lol:fight:.The man preformed in every facet as a true Champion last night.I had a sneaking suspicion that he would hurt and even drop Margarito but thought it would come earlier and Tony would be able to get going.It was not to be.Absolutely,unequivocally no excuses.....Mosley was the grindstone upon which Margarito was ground.He out Margaritod Margarito,took his best and fought a very smart fight from the outset.....he attacked Margarito as I thought he would have to,he established himself and asserted his strengths in close,tied Tony up and had a homing beacon on that right hand,just amazing and as a boxing fan firstly and an individual fighter fan second...a big difference...it was a pleasure to watch.

Tony my man,live by the sword,die by the sword.Ive been following you from back in the day.From the Ankamah decapitation to last night.You have Always taking a bit of flack from the detractors but have never faltered in your determination and ambition,even in the darkest of times you kept coming.Never pretended to be any thing that your not and maximized your given ability's.I'll look forward to seeing you back in the mix.Many will cast you aside now,call you a one hit wonder...Its tired and predictable,fawk em & that short sightedness.Ive nothing but respect for ya,head up,chest out,walk on.You were beaten by a great fighter,The night belonged to Mosley.

I have not been too active in the forum lately, but I had to comment on this one.

Mosley was sensational and I have to admit that I thought that he was not going to able to beat Margarito after seeing the troubles he had with Mayorga until his TKO win.

Different to Cotto, Mosley did not allow Margarito to press forward and did not allow Margarito to trap him on the ropes. Whenever Margarito tried to push Mosley, he (Mosley) stopped and responded with solid punches. Mosley made Margarito walk back, and hold smartly. Since Mosley was firm on his foot he could transfer the weight of his body to the punches, reaching the the body and head with true power punches. This was another area that Cotto could do better with Margarito because he punched a lot, but punching walking backwards I guess did not allow him to hurt Margarito as Mosley could and never looked for the body (his signature punch). Mosley was strong, fast and smart.

My respect to both, but specially to Mosley who showed up in a great condition at his age and not only won, but won by TKO.

Shows how important a game plan is IMO (not to mention hand speed)

Cotto fought the totally wrong fight. I think it was me and Amat who were talking about it before the fight that Cotto might might some here and there but the last thing he needed to do would be moving all night, because you can't waste energy against a guy like Margarito, plus moving away from him just gets him going.

Shane moved some but not that much, conserved energy, held in a smart way (granted I don't like holding but he was doing more than enough fighting too) and stayed off the ropes. Perfect gameplan, executed perfectly. He was probably better suited to execute it against Margarito than Cotto anyway but still a much smarter performance. You just can't waste energy against Tony.