Official Super Six Follow Live Thread

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Originally Posted by oakleyno1

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by oakleyno1

ok then if dirrell gets a point taken for holding in every round because he HELD ALOT and no one will disagree even if you think he won. But yes if dirrell gets a point taken off every round for holding then i will score it even because dirrell landed more. For the record i think dirrell is a far better fighter but didnt do enough to take a champs belt by holding etc

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Well what about Frochs rabbit punching. You gonna take points off for that?

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the rabbit punches were a result of the holding - if the holding wasnt there they wouldnt of occured. i agree froch fought like someone from fucking ufc in there lol but the referee did not do his job properly - yes he broke them up reasonably well but you have to take points off eventually and it would of been ridiculous if he had taken off points against froch if he wasnt for dirrells holding.

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guess the 2 cheap shots after the break and the 2 body slams don't count for anything :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by The Rela

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by The Rela

Good decision.

Some might like runners and huggers.

I don't.

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You must not like rules either. Or scoring. Why bother even having them and just give the fight to what and who we prefer and save a lot of time without stepping in the ring.

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There was only one person who wanted to fight seriously.

Hey, if you like the way Dirrel fights, that's fine.

Personally, I like boxing, not cycling, running or wrestling.

It's a fight.

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if someone lands 3 punches and then literally starts doing laps around the ring full speed non stop for the remainder of the rd and isnt hit they still out landed the opponent


also clinching doesnt detract from the punches you land... thats what the point deduction is for (not that it was warranted)


its not up to the judges to decide someone is holding too much and start ignoring punches they land

The point deduction was a joke. The decision was a joke. Froch landed nothing.

Dirrell should have stayed conventional more. If he hadn't switch so much, he would left no doubt.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I think you guys are overestimating the 'robbery'

The first 8 or 9 rounds ok Froch looked awkward but what did Dirrell do apart from dodge punches?

It WAS a close fight imo, kind of like the first Sam Peter James Toney fight.

Dirrell was techinically much better and landed the better shots, but about three quarters of the fight was Froch pressing which obviosly is worth something.

The point was bullshit though, not sure if that affected the scores, I dont think it does as Froch had two 115-113 but it shouldnt have happened.

Dirrell can leave feeling he gave a good performance but too timid, Froch needs to work on a LOT though and can count himself very lucky tonight.

Dirrell is a CLASS ACT in the post fight interview though, I really hope he can bounce back from this.

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A perfect example of why computer scoring wouldn't work even by your standards. No way Froch outlanded Dirrell.

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My suggestion of computer scoring was to prevent crazy robberies where one fighter clearly won according to the rest of the world but was robbed by blind or corrupt judges.

If the computer gave the fight to Dirrell on accuracy here who would complain? It was a very close that could have gone either way.

My argument wasn't that a computer would be more accurate in all cases but more consistently accurate over the majority of the cases, and where it would have problems would be in very close fights such as this where ultimately it doesnt matter which side it chooses.

A computer would have a certain bias its true but judges have waaaaaaay more.


You had 100 fights judged by a computer and 100 the traditional way my bet is you would have far less fans crying robbery in the computer scoring fights.

However I think MORE fighters might complain if the computer was judge, easier to say they were robbed by silicon than a man.....

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

Yea it'sa fight, and Froch got outboxed, all fight. Whether he is going forward or backwards, he still outlanded and outboxed consistantly more. Trying to rewrite the rules of boxing as Froch is trying suggest...'this is what the fans wanted to see'...is that how it goes? well, yea, they are homers, ofc they want him to win. Try asking the fans around the world.

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Hold on? You want to see either of them fight like that again? That was an awful fight.

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what point are you trying to make? how does if it was a good fight or not affect who should win it?

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Well Froch saying the fans wanted to see a fight. You seem to be suggesting that what Dirrell did tonight was fight. And he didn't. I honestly didn't see him do much more than Carl in there. Wish this was HBO so we could get some instant punchstats. I don't understand the fuss here. That was hardly a robbery. Neither of them did anything of note. I feel shortchanged because performances like this are why fans turn away from boxing.

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

WTF?! His Grandaddy told him that he needed a knock out going into the last?!!

What fight was he watching!

What fight was i watching.... Fuk i mconfused :confused: :-\

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He knew his grand son was winning. But he also knew the judges were in the pocket

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Originally Posted by The Rela

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Froch was great in any way. Dirrel had a spoiler plan and did a good job.

But I won't be buying Direl's back catelogue of fights any time soon.

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Well if it makes you feel any better...I think Froch is total shit and should have been deducted more then 1 pt, late blows, rabbit punches, and still lost in spite of all of that, as you'll prob find the majority agrees. So I guess we are even there in disrespect for styles. And I can safely tell you I didn't have a favorite going in. Did you?

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Originally Posted by I Lust For Violent D

I can't wait until the next round when Froch has to fight Kessler. Kessler will really expose him.

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I can't wait to see a fight where two people want to fight.

Kessler v Froch will be a great fight. I think you are right to an extent. I make Kessler favourite, but it'll be a cracker.

No-one will bring their bike, no one will be constantly holding, we'll see an entertaining fight for sure.

kinda leaves a bad taste... both fighters deserved the loss IMO...

luckly for us they were only fighting to see who gets 5th and 6th place.

best moment of the night had to be the crotch comment ;D;D;D

To paraphrase the great Marvin Hagler, "I try not to let the fight go to the judges, my 2 fists will be my judges." I can see why he felt that way after getting robbed in a few championship matches.

They both defenetly did little but i think Dirrell landed cleaner and better shots and defenetly landed more.
So i think Dirrell was robbed.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Hold on? You want to see either of them fight like that again? That was an awful fight.

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what point are you trying to make? how does if it was a good fight or not affect who should win it?

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Well Froch saying the fans wanted to see a fight. You seem to be suggesting that what Dirrell did tonight was fight. And he didn't. I honestly didn't see him do much more than Carl in there. Wish this was HBO so we could get some instant punchstats. I don't understand the fuss here. That was hardly a robbery. Neither of them did anything of note. I feel shortchanged because performances like this are why fans turn away from boxing.

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Pretty much my opinion. I think people are preoccupied with saying Carl will fail because he is so easy to be outboxed and misses wildy.

So they see him miss and claim he's losing the fight. But that isn't the whole story, yes he's missing a lot but for most of the fight he was the only one fighting.

He won ugly and his style was exposed again, but he still did more work. You have to beat a man to beat a man and dodging a punch and holding doesn't mean you are scoring more than the man throwing the punch.

I mean you get points for defence and also points for aggression is how I always understood it.

Dirrell got points for defence and making Froch look wild, Froch got points for aggression and making the fight, it balances out.

You can't really say Froch was beat because Dirrell didn't do much.

He had a couple of very good rounds imo and hurt Froch once, but I don't have a problem with Froch winning the majority of the others because Dirrell although he made Froch look silly didn't follow up with anything at all himself.

Fraud's mom was crying ringside. His girlfriend was already taking her panties off in Dirrell's locker room. Even they knew Fraud lost

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

I'll take Abraham by rd 7 KO & Froch by squeky SD decision.

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Pacstradamus strike again!!!

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Fuck off.

1- Very, very ugly fight.
2- For all those who picked on Froch or Dirrell to win the tournament: Wrong choice !!!
3- Froch lost !
4- And he called out Calzaghe. :rolleyes: