Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
opinons on if kostya fought mayweather instead of hatton that night?
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
hey without kt we wouldn't have gotten to see zab's greatest chicken dance performance ever, that alone makes kt an all time great!
Re: Does Kosta Tszyu's record stand up against the greats?
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
opinons on if kostya fought mayweather instead of hatton that night?
tszyu was supposed to fight mayweather right after that fight, but he lost
mayweather at 140 would have had a field day on kosta that night
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
kostya beat sharmba in how many rounds, 2 or 3 wasnt it?
mayweather fought an even worse sharmba and took 5,
Totally different styles of fighters.
You can't make a broad statement like that because it's well known that Kostya was more of a KO artist while Floyd was an accurate accumulative puncher.
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
cotto got wobbled by de marcus corley lol, who hit mayweather a fair bit to be honest. cotto jus aint gnna take kostyas punches
Cotto was fighting a stupid fight that night against someone that he took to lightly...he hasn't been rocked like that in his whole career & then up until Torres. Cotto's fought some serious punchers & hasn't been stopped in 28 fights.
Kostya got beaten by Vince Phillips & stopped TKO in 2 matches out of 31 matches...I mean...come on. ::**
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
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Cotto...dude, he fights guys with good records...but with no good wins. They are all over cab drivers. And as for the guys on cottos record, most of them i never heard of...at all. I look over kostyas and i see former champions and good fighters that i have heard of. And remember zab didnt do too bad against floyd and also sharmba was at one point beating everyone put infront of him in the 140 division...until kostya came back and put him on his arse. Kostya will go down as a legend, love him or hate him. I just dont see how people can hate him, name a boxer who was as gracious in defeat as kostya was after hatton?
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Originally Posted by Greig
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Sharmba Mitchell
Diobelys Hurtado
I reckon all three of those guys are better fighters than Zab Judah. The Chavez fight doesn't even get a mention IMO - he was too old.
Rodriguez, Pineda, Ruelas - all world class fighters.
For 10 yrs he pretty much beat everybody out there at 140.
Spot on CC#196....
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Greig
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Sharmba Mitchell
Diobelys Hurtado
I reckon all three of those guys are better fighters than Zab Judah. The Chavez fight doesn't even get a mention IMO - he was too old.
Rodriguez, Pineda, Ruelas - all world class fighters.
For 10 yrs he pretty much beat everybody out there at 140.
Don't forget Tszyu's win over James Leija ! James Leija is often over looked, I always thought Leija was a great fighter to watch, very pleasing to the eye as he moved about the ring. excellent form ! His wars with Azumah Nelson were legandary !
Tszyu was a fantastic 140 lbs fighter... the best Jr. Welterweight ever in my opinion. a fantastic fighter to watch , his style is very exciting.
Right on LG.... agreed.....
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
Noooo way....WackOff (at least NOT now, gonna asume you mixed up Jack & Coke and by coke I mean it in powder form ;D )
At the moment Kostya is still better, with a better record.....
See the posts above and YOU KNOW I LOVES ME SOME COTTO.... :lickish:
But Tszyu was amazing, Cotto is well on his way but still has a little bit of road to cover....
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
kostya beat sharmba in how many rounds, 2 or 3 wasnt it?
mayweather fought an even worse sharmba and took 5,
Totally different styles of fighters.
You can't make a broad statement like that because it's well known that Kostya was more of a KO artist while Floyd was an accurate accumulative puncher.
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
cotto got wobbled by de marcus corley lol, who hit mayweather a fair bit to be honest. cotto jus aint gnna take kostyas punches
Cotto was fighting a stupid fight that night against someone that he took to lightly...he hasn't been rocked like that in his whole career & then up until Torres. Cotto's fought some serious punchers & hasn't been stopped in 28 fights.
Kostya got beaten by Vince Phillips & stopped TKO in 2 matches out of 31 matches...I mean...come on. ::**
Ok well correct if im wrong but i see cotto fighting alot of stupid fights. He gets rocked by everyone lately. Imagine what KTs right hand would do to him. And trust me mate, if cotto fights pbf and maybe hatton...he could have a couple of losses on his record by tko. ;) And thats just stupid mate, your judging cottos current career...which hasnt been a very long one, against kostya long career who is about retired. Theres still alot to come for cotto, and it could be a lot of losses. Cotto fought abdaluev or however the fuck you spell it...the most hype that came out of that was the fact he beat cotto in the ams....IN THE FUCKING AMS! Ive seen cottos am record and that shit was not great so making a fight on the fact he beat him in the ams is just fucked. And he seemed to give cotto a hard fight, that night i wasnt impressed with either of them. And then you got torres...hmm yeah, was i the only one who was left thinking who the fuck is that when that fight was announced? That fight should of been a blow out...yet cotto was put on queer street in the first couple of rounds. The names i recognise on cottos record are:lovemore ndou coz im an ozzie and ive seen him fight a lot and from what i saw of that fight, cotto faded down the stretch and lovemore came on like a motherfucker and made that one close fight...and lovemore aint that good ;)...actually he was kostyas SPARRING PARTNER ;) Maussa...hmm yeah awkward as fuck but no champion, he upset viv but viv wasnt great either, Corley...and he was givin cotto a bit of trouble and imo that fight was stopped too early and paulie who also gave cotto a bit of trouble even with a broken jaw and he was green as grass. Cotto got alot of shit to prove yet to be mentioned next to kostya tszyus name, when cotto rules a division...for any period of time, dont expect him to match kostyas 10yrs, then talk to me about him being better ;)
Good to be back too guys, hows thing goin wacko?
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I apologise in advance for not getting technical about why this statement is as it is, but I tend to think of it as the sort of plain common-sense objectively-accurate statement that for instance "2 + 2 = 4" or "Grass is Green" is. So here it is.
Kostya Tyszu was one of the best fighters P4P of the 1990's, a true champion, an all-time great, a future hall of famer and possibly, in his prime, the best 140lber who's ever lived.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
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Cotto...dude, he fights guys with good records...but with no good wins. They are all over cab drivers. And as for the guys on cottos record, most of them i never heard of...at all. I look over kostyas and i see former champions and good fighters that i have heard of. And remember zab didnt do too bad against floyd and also sharmba was at one point beating everyone put infront of him in the 140 division...until kostya came back and put him on his a***. Kostya will go down as a legend, love him or hate him. I just dont see how people can hate him, name a boxer who was as gracious in defeat as kostya was after hatton?
Don't hate him...he's just overratted.
Sorry...but Cotto has fought better opposition than Kostya in the end.
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Originally Posted by Snakey
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERES SNAKEY! IM BACK BITCHES ;D
Cotto...dude, he fights guys with good records...but with no good wins. They are all over cab drivers. And as for the guys on cottos record, most of them i never heard of...at all. I look over kostyas and i see former champions and good fighters that i have heard of. And remember zab didnt do too bad against floyd and also sharmba was at one point beating everyone put infront of him in the 140 division...until kostya came back and put him on his a***. Kostya will go down as a legend, love him or hate him. I just dont see how people can hate him, name a boxer who was as gracious in defeat as kostya was after hatton?
Don't hate him...he's just overratted.
Sorry...but
Cotto has fought better opposition than Kostya in the end.
overrated??? Wacko.....that’s one asinine statement mate.. How you figure that ?
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Greig
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Sharmba Mitchell
Diobelys Hurtado
I reckon all three of those guys are better fighters than Zab Judah. The Chavez fight doesn't even get a mention IMO - he was too old.
Rodriguez, Pineda, Ruelas - all world class fighters.
For 10 yrs he pretty much beat everybody out there at 140.
Tszyu was a fantastic 140 lbs fighter... the best Jr. Welterweight ever in my opinion. a fantastic fighter to watch , his style is very exciting.
I submit that even though Kostya beat Julio Cesar Chavez, JCC
was better overall.
JCC had more heart insomuch that he fought everyfriggin body on the planet at 140.
JCC was a great watch .. no doubt about that. better over all ? I don't know? they both terrific fighters . if pressed I would still lean to Tszyu . Just like Kostya better overall.
Kostya Tszyu only had 33 pro fights
JCC had 116
by the time they fought JCC had already been a pro for 20 years.
I have a real hard time rating someone that fights once a year higher than someone that was as successful and active as JCC. I agree that KT is up there, and HAD HE CONTINUED FIGHTING after losing to Hatton I would probably rate him higher. I'm trying to think of anyone that KT beat that had a great chin.
Whoah Killersheep... Miguel Angel Gonzalez had a great chin - just ask ODLH who pounded on it for 12 rounds and couldn't put him away. Tszyu was the first guy to stop him and he was never the same after.
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Originally Posted by Snakey
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
kostya beat sharmba in how many rounds, 2 or 3 wasnt it?
mayweather fought an even worse sharmba and took 5,
Totally different styles of fighters.
You can't make a broad statement like that because it's well known that Kostya was more of a KO artist while Floyd was an accurate accumulative puncher.
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
cotto got wobbled by de marcus corley lol, who hit mayweather a fair bit to be honest. cotto jus aint gnna take kostyas punches
Cotto was fighting a stupid fight that night against someone that he took to lightly...he hasn't been rocked like that in his whole career & then up until Torres. Cotto's fought some serious punchers & hasn't been stopped in 28 fights.
Kostya got beaten by Vince Phillips & stopped TKO in 2 matches out of 31 matches...I mean...come on. ::**
Ok well correct if im wrong but i see cotto fighting alot of stupid fights. He gets rocked by everyone lately. Imagine what KTs right hand would do to him. And trust me mate, if cotto fights pbf and maybe hatton...he could have a couple of losses on his record by tko. ;) And thats just stupid mate, your judging cottos current career...which hasnt been a very long one, against kostya long career who is about retired. Theres still alot to come for cotto, and it could be a lot of losses. Cotto fought abdaluev or however the F*** you spell it...the most hype that came out of that was the fact he beat cotto in the ams....IN THE F****** AMS! Ive seen cottos am record and that S*** was not great so making a fight on the fact he beat him in the ams is just fucked. And he seemed to give cotto a hard fight, that night i wasnt impressed with either of them. And then you got torres...hmm yeah, was i the only one who was left thinking who the F*** is that when that fight was announced? That fight should of been a blow out...yet cotto was put on queer street in the first couple of rounds. The names i recognise on cottos record are:lovemore ndou coz im an ozzie and ive seen him fight a lot and from what i saw of that fight, cotto faded down the stretch and lovemore came on like a motherfucker and made that one close fight...and lovemore aint that good ;)...actually he was kostyas SPARRING PARTNER ;) Maussa...hmm yeah awkward as F*** but no champion, he upset viv but viv wasnt great either, Corley...and he was givin cotto a bit of trouble and imo that fight was stopped too early and paulie who also gave cotto a bit of trouble even with a broken jaw and he was green as grass. Cotto got alot of S*** to prove yet to be mentioned next to kostya tszyus name, when cotto rules a division...for any period of time, dont expect him to match kostyas 10yrs, then talk to me about him being better ;)
Good to be back too guys, hows thing goin wacko?
Thought this thread might bring you out of the woodwork ;D
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I aint that big on Kostya.
He's a good fighter...but in the grand scheme of things...he's just a minnow that barely makes a splash in a much bigger pond.
Cotto, IWO, is a much superior fighter with a hell of a lot better record.
That’s just hatter garbage here. aint no backbone to this statement , no meat. you say "the grand scheme of things he is a minnow" ??? please .that’s snuff queen shit there bro ! ... I Love Cotto and if and when Cotto captures and unifies the titles he will then be on Kostya's level. O0
:coolclick: #2590 no hard feelings, I usually enjoy your reads !
