Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
IMO, this a HIGH RISK, low reward fight for Cotto and if his team is smart enough they will not allow him to fight that fight..........
It will mean nothing......
It will just sign, seal and deliver something that I said right after the Baldomir fight.....
Zab is a hasbeen.....
All Cotto will be doing is something that Spink, Baldomir & PBF already did.....
What will it prove that Cotto can beat hasbeens?
On the other hand if he fights anyone of the top Welters. Margarito, SSM, PBF (If he continues to fight), Cintron, Williams the fight will mean something positive for him.... IMO
I think you're selling this fight short by saying that a Cotto win would prove nothing.
The type of fighter that Cotto is... this type of fighter is usually most bothered by fast fighters who want to fight on the outside.
If Cotto catches Judah with a big punch and KO's him, then maybe that doesn't prove much, because everyone already knows that Judah has a suspect chin.
But if Cotto can go in there and outbox Judah, negate his speed, win the vast majority of the rounds... then that would prove something significant. If Cotto can outbox Judah from the opening bell in addition to overpowering him, then that proves a lot.
I personally think that if Cotto can show he's not bothered by Judah's speed, that would prove just as much, maybe even more, than a win over Antonio "Slow Motion" Margarito would have.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
cotto gonna get ktfo
:lmao:
In your dreams!!!! Buddy.....
Sal look quick! a shooting star make a wish!!! ;D
Mick... what if Zab wins on fnf and then beats Cotto and you have to eat your words :( Then how are you gonna handle everyone going at you and danny_g?
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
cotto gonna get ktfo
:lmao:
In your dreams!!!! Buddy.....
Sal look quick! a shooting star make a wish!!! ;D
Mick... what if Zab wins on fnf and then beats Cotto and you have to eat your words :( Then how are you gonna handle everyone going at you and danny_g?
Everyone already knows Danny G's agenda, it doesn't matter what happens he looks just as dumb either way. I think Mick is just underrating Judah's chances.. People won't "go at him" about it though.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by Puya
Well style makes fights for a boxer to win or to lose Judah style is very akward for Cotto IMO
When Cotto beats Zab that will be his entry key to elite level. For what I watched in the video I posted above you can tell it's going to be a great fight.
Yep more a less sums it up. I was thinking as soon as i saw Judah mentioned that this is not an easy fight, if Zab comes in focused then he could win this. Im going with Cotto, but i ain't gona totally right Zab out.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
The title of this fight should be "It takes 2 to Tango"......one guy to throw a punch and Zab Judah to get his groove on
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
Mark my words this will be a very easy payday for Zab Judah!!! ;)
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I don't know man!!!
For the most part I/m thinking WHY in the HELL is Cotto wasting his time with Zab hes a nobody and beating him means nothing.
I won't be surprised cause I know Cotto can beat him with flying colors.....
Bad decision IMO from team Cotto thats IF this is true....
I gotta disagree here bro. Zab is a tough fight for anyone in the division and this is actually a very dangerous fight for Cotto. Za better be in top shape though cause Cotto is gonna be looking to find out early. Great fight. Not to mention Zab is from Brooklyn so that's gonna make this thing huge in NYC and the Garden. I love it.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by Puya
You do got a very logical point there
question?
If Cotto blow this guy aroung 10 or less rounds what will be said about Cotto?
then will the fight be compare how Zab did against PBF and Zab vs Cotto?
and give more credit to him (Cotto)
If Cotto beats Zab, I won't be surprised......
Hes been beat by Baldomir come on......
All we will have is a WHOLE bunch of people making the same kind of excuses they made for him when he lost to Spinks, when he lost to Baldomir & when he lost to PBF.......
When Cotto beats Zab, people will say that Cotto doesn't have the speed to beat PBF and IF Zab Judah lands ANY TYPE of big punch...... Everyone will hang on to that and say IF Zab was able to land on Cotto but because Zab isn't PBF and doesn't have the focus you can't compare that..... and blah! blah! blah!!
Thats why I say it will mean nothing..... Trust me....
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Yeah man, but you gotta lot of Puerto Ricans and a lot of Brooklynites who will wanna go. I'd prefer it to be sugar shane too but from a $ point of view its not hard to see why they made it. It's gonna be exciting.
And thats the aspect of the sport that leaves a sour taste in my mouth..... :(
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Are you serious man?? Not everyone shares your mindset you know.. Beating Zab would mean nothing?? If that's the case then why are we even talking about Cotto now, his whole career has been nothing. Judah's a very talented fighter, and would be a VERY good win for Cotto. He is clearly the best fighter Cotto has ever fought. Argue that, if you feel like humouring me. He will have 0 naysayers if he can perform well and beat Judah, and it will draw a huge crowd at MSG. The only thing I really agree with is that its a high risk fight for Cotto. Im not even sure who I favour to be honest. Sure Zabs lost most of his big fights but Cotto hasn't really had any, and he's also had his chin checked.. Very interesting and great matchup imo, don't see why anyone can frown upon this fight being made.. There's noone else for Cotto at the moment except maybe Mosley, and now THAT is a fight his team shouldn't make just yet..
I'm DEAD serious....
I know not everyone shares my mindset, thats why we can all post our own comments....
You say Cottos whole career has been nothing? You do realise hes a 2 division Champ. whos undefeated? I know for a fact Zabs fought the better opposition in the ring but hes failed against THAT best opposition...... And he will again.
How can fighting a guy whos lost 2 fights back to back be a good thing for a fighter like Cotto? I can see what some people are saying about the match up in the ring as far as Zabs, speed, power vs. Cottos, power, body attack but thats it.... As I said HIGH RISK, low reward..... What will beating a guy who been beat back to back prove for Cottos career.....
All people will say is the same shit! over and over.....
"If the Zab that fought..... Would have fought Cotto Zab would have won"
"Zab lost focus after the 3rd. round IF he would have stayed focused he would have won easily"
LMAO!!! when people make these kind of statements..... (I'm not saying you make them)
I hope that team Cotto really know what they are doing, I would just wish that NO champ. out there would give Zab the satisfaction of fighting for a title until hes earned it.... Losing twice (back to back) then coming back and beating Israel Cardona (Who the fwock is this) and getting a title shot! is just absurd....... IMO....
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
I think you're selling this fight short by saying that a Cotto win would prove nothing.
The type of fighter that Cotto is... this type of fighter is usually most bothered by fast fighters who want to fight on the outside.
If Cotto catches Judah with a big punch and KO's him, then maybe that doesn't prove much, because everyone already knows that Judah has a suspect chin.
But if Cotto can go in there and outbox Judah, negate his speed, win the vast majority of the rounds... then that would prove something significant. If Cotto can outbox Judah from the opening bell in addition to overpowering him, then that proves a lot.
I personally think that if Cotto can show he's not bothered by Judah's speed, that would prove just as much, maybe even more, than a win over Antonio "Slow Motion" Margarito would have.
SweatPea,
I've had my share of debates with a lot of Zab fans and for the most part all they have is 'Lack of Focus' excuses and 'Versions of Zab' whatever that means.....
As I said I no longer think Zabs chin is supect, to me it's as GUILTY as it could be of being made out of 'glass'
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
If Cotto catches Judah with a big punch and KO's him, then maybe that doesn't prove much, because everyone already knows that Judah has a suspect chin.
Then you see what I'm trying to say.....
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
But if Cotto can go in there and outbox Judah, negate his speed, win the vast majority of the rounds... then that would prove something significant. If Cotto can outbox Judah from the opening bell in addition to overpowering him, then that proves a lot.
Wrong!!! Cause you'll still have people saying that it was Zab who lost the fight due to his lack of focus, trust me some excuse will arise somehow....
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
I personally think that if Cotto can show he's not bothered by Judah's speed, that would prove just as much, maybe even more, than a win over Antonio "Slow Motion" Margarito would have.
Well like I said I can see what people mean as far as the styles, but whats the reward for Cotto as far as his career goes?
That he can beat Zab??? When people look at his record they'll just say he fought Zab on the downfall after he had already been beaten by Baldomir & PBF...... At least Margarito hasn't lost and is a Champ. what does Zab bring to the table? Well, then again maybe the IBF will jump allover this and strip Cintron and throw the title in there for the fight?
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
Wow, shit I've been out of the loop lately, I had no idea they were even talking about this.
As big an idiot as Judah is, this is Cotto's step up fight, Cotto's never fought the elite guys like Zab has.
I think its an interesting fight, if you look at when Cotto's been in trouble in fights its when he's had to come forward, sometimes he's gotten reckless. The thing is, if Judah can't get to a guy early, if a pressure fighter keeps on coming after four or five rounds he starts to quit mentally and just fades, if he does that in this fight he won't go 12.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
But if Cotto can go in there and outbox Judah, negate his speed, win the vast majority of the rounds... then that would prove something significant. If Cotto can outbox Judah from the opening bell in addition to overpowering him, then that proves a lot.
Wrong!!! Cause you'll still have people saying that it was Zab who lost the fight due to his lack of focus, trust me some excuse will arise somehow....
Well who cares if there are some irrational Zab fans who will still be making excuses??? There are still Mike tyson fans out there who think he can be heavyweight champ, doesn't mean you have to pay attention to them....
I think there are plenty of people (including myself) who can see a scenario where Judah is effective early on and uses his speed to give Cotto some problems. If this doesn't happen, and Cotto outboxes him from the start, that proves something, I don't care if Judah fans will make excuses or not. The rational boxing fans will realize that Cotto has proven something.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Well like I said I can see what people mean as far as the styles, but whats the reward for Cotto as far as his career goes?
That he can beat Zab??? When people look at his record they'll just say he fought Zab on the downfall after he had already been beaten by Baldomir & PBF...... At least Margarito hasn't lost and is a Champ. what does Zab bring to the table? Well, then again maybe the IBF will jump allover this and strip Cintron and throw the title in there for the fight?
What would the reward be if he beat Cintron? There is nothing special that Cintron brings to the table. Same goes for Margarito. Margarito may deserve a higher ranking than Judah right now, I won't argue that, but he's a slow body puncher. He's not going to beat Cotto with that style, everyone knows that.
We don't know whether Cotto can handle a guy with elite hand speed, which is something Judah brings to table.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
Zab Judah is hungrier than ever. I really hope that he can get the win, but Cotto has done really well against quality southpaws in his career. I'm praying Zab checks Cotto's chin. Zab better get focused and train his body for the punishment that Cotto will dish out. If he had that much of a problem with PBF's body work, Cotto's will get him out of there quick. IMO, this is a bigger fight than Cotto - Margarito. Judah is a name at 147, Judah was a former undisputed welterweight champion of the world, Zab has great quality wins over Spinks and Witter so this is a good shot for Cotto to get some big time name recognition. Honestly, if Cotto faced Tony and won, people would have switched up and said "Who was Tony anyway?," Cotto just finished the job that Clottey couldn't.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
But if Cotto can go in there and outbox Judah, negate his speed, win the vast majority of the rounds... then that would prove something significant. If Cotto can outbox Judah from the opening bell in addition to overpowering him, then that proves a lot.
Wrong!!! Cause you'll still have people saying that it was Zab who lost the fight due to his lack of focus, trust me some excuse will arise somehow....
Well who cares if there are some irrational Zab fans who will still be making excuses??? There are still Mike tyson fans out there who think he can be heavyweight champ, doesn't mean you have to pay attention to them....
I think there are plenty of people (including myself) who can see a scenario where Judah is effective early on and uses his speed to give Cotto some problems. If this doesn't happen, and Cotto outboxes him from the start, that proves something, I don't care if Judah fans will make excuses or not. The rational boxing fans will realize that Cotto has proven something.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Well like I said I can see what people mean as far as the styles, but whats the reward for Cotto as far as his career goes?
That he can beat Zab??? When people look at his record they'll just say he fought Zab on the downfall after he had already been beaten by Baldomir & PBF...... At least Margarito hasn't lost and is a Champ. what does Zab bring to the table? Well, then again maybe the IBF will jump allover this and strip Cintron and throw the title in there for the fight?
What would the reward be if he beat Cintron? There is nothing special that Cintron brings to the table. Same goes for Margarito. Margarito may deserve a higher ranking than Judah right now, I won't argue that, but he's a slow body puncher. He's not going to beat Cotto with that style, everyone knows that.
We don't know whether Cotto can handle a guy with elite hand speed, which is something Judah brings to table.
I see what your saying and some of it makes sense, I just don't agree with it......
How can anyone think that by Zab beating Israel has earned him a shot! at the title?
I agree on the styles match up, but what will it do for his career for his status?
It's not like Zabs ranked in the top 5 Welters, what is he #8, 9.... ???
A part of me want's the fight to happen just to have the glory that day but a part of me doesn't......
Especially when SSM was available for him to fight.....
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
cotto gonna get ktfo
:lmao:
In your dreams!!!! Buddy.....
Sal look quick! a shooting star make a wish!!! ;D
Mick... what if Zab wins on fnf and then beats Cotto and you have to eat your words :( Then how are you gonna handle everyone going at you and danny_g?
What if..... What if....... What if...... all these what if's.....
Well, IF my grandma had wheels shed be a bike..... :D
I don't go by what if's, Cotto will beat Zab.
I don't need to HANDLE everyone, I support a fighter who loses and thats that, I make no excuses......
I was here after Eriks loss to Zahir.
I was here after Eriks loss to Pac.
I was here after Lacys loss to Joe.
I was here after Barrios loss to Guzman.
And I'm still here now.
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
As I said I no longer think Zabs chin is supect, to me it's as GUILTY as it could be of being made out of 'glass'
LMAO!
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7536/guiltyhb0.png
:cwm15: Zab Judah, your chin has been found guilty in the first degree, by your peers :crowd: of Saddo's forum.
Case closed! :smash:
;D
Honorable CutMeMick? What is the sentence of Zab's chin for it's crime?
???
Re: ***Done Deal - Miguel Cotto vs Zab Judah June 9th!***
Personally, I'd love to see how Cotto handles Zab's speed. Bigger and better fights could be made, but this one doesn't bother me too much, I figure Cotto will probably have 2 more fights this year and all the other title holders should be freed up.
Urkal => Judah => Williams/ Margarito => PBF/Mosley
Seems like a good progression to me.
