Re: You Still Feel Pac Should Be #1 PFP Over The Pretty Boy?
You have to give floyd the number 1 spot. He's undefeated and he's maintained this record against opponents that most people will agree are respectable in weight classes he has no business even being in.
Re: You Still Feel Pac Should Be #1 PFP Over The Pretty Boy?
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Well by virtue of Manny fighting a relative unknown in Solis Floyd fighting Oscar,Floyd is easily P4P number 1 at the moment BUT if Manny fights JMM next, and wins,Manny easily takes it back imo. Especially if,hypothetically speaking,Manny beat JMM well in a rematch and Floyd beat Oscar i a rematch,I'd easily have Manny first.
As it stands though,Floyd easily and the prospects of a Manny JMM fight are slim at the moment.
I don't care who Pac beats, unless it's PBF. Short of that, the only thing that puts him at #1 is completely reworking himself so he (a) has balance and (b) has defense -- among other things. I don't understand how beating JMM would prove anything about Pac versus Floyd. Floyd is MUCH better than JMM.
I've said this numerous times: despite the fact that they fought their last fights four divisions apart, Pac and PBF came into their respective rings at almost exactly the same weights. Pac beat a nobody 130-pounder. PBF beat Oscar de law Hoya at Jr. Middleweight. There's no comparison. Moreover, given that they've weighed essentially the same amount, you don't have to hypothesize much to think about what it would look like if you put them in the ring together. And in that matchup, I honestly don't see Pac winning a single round. I see him getting KO'd well within 6.
floyd is still the naturally bigger man out of the two. floyd weighs 150 during his dela hoya weigh-in while pac weighs 129 in his solis weigh-in. what do you think they will weigh on fight night? maybe 150 for floyd and 140 for pac. still a big 10 pounds difference. pac started as flyweight and floyd as featherweight. if ever this will be a competitive match, it should be done in 135 which i doubt if floyd can make now.
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Well by virtue of Manny fighting a relative unknown in Solis Floyd fighting Oscar,Floyd is easily P4P number 1 at the moment BUT if Manny fights JMM next, and wins,Manny easily takes it back imo. Especially if,hypothetically speaking,Manny beat JMM well in a rematch and Floyd beat Oscar i a rematch,I'd easily have Manny first.
As it stands though,Floyd easily and the prospects of a Manny JMM fight are slim at the moment.
I don't care who Pac beats, unless it's PBF. Short of that, the only thing that puts him at #1 is completely reworking himself so he (a) has balance and (b) has defense -- among other things. I don't understand how beating JMM would prove anything about Pac versus Floyd. Floyd is MUCH better than JMM.
I've said this numerous times: despite the fact that they fought their last fights four divisions apart, Pac and PBF came into their respective rings at almost exactly the same weights. Pac beat a nobody 130-pounder. PBF beat Oscar de law Hoya at Jr. Middleweight. There's no comparison. Moreover, given that they've weighed essentially the same amount, you don't have to hypothesize much to think about what it would look like if you put them in the ring together. And in that matchup, I honestly don't see Pac winning a single round. I see him getting KO'd well within 6.
floyd is still the naturally bigger man out of the two. floyd weighs 150 during his dela hoya weigh-in while pac weighs 129 in his solis weigh-in. what do you think they will weigh on fight night? maybe 150 for floyd and 140 for pac. still a big 10 pounds difference. pac started as flyweight and floyd as featherweight. if ever this will be a competitive match, it should be done in 135 which i doubt if floyd can make now.
No, you're wrong. Pac came into the ring at at least 145 in one of his last 2 fights. PBF, despite weighing in at 150 for DLH, actually lost 2 pounds and showed up in the ring at 148. So they were essentially both welters--same size.
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Well by virtue of Manny fighting a relative unknown in Solis Floyd fighting Oscar,Floyd is easily P4P number 1 at the moment BUT if Manny fights JMM next, and wins,Manny easily takes it back imo. Especially if,hypothetically speaking,Manny beat JMM well in a rematch and Floyd beat Oscar i a rematch,I'd easily have Manny first.
As it stands though,Floyd easily and the prospects of a Manny JMM fight are slim at the moment.
I don't care who Pac beats, unless it's PBF. Short of that, the only thing that puts him at #1 is completely reworking himself so he (a) has balance and (b) has defense -- among other things. I don't understand how beating JMM would prove anything about Pac versus Floyd. Floyd is MUCH better than JMM.
I've said this numerous times: despite the fact that they fought their last fights four divisions apart, Pac and PBF came into their respective rings at almost exactly the same weights. Pac beat a nobody 130-pounder. PBF beat Oscar de law Hoya at Jr. Middleweight. There's no comparison. Moreover, given that they've weighed essentially the same amount, you don't have to hypothesize much to think about what it would look like if you put them in the ring together. And in that matchup, I honestly don't see Pac winning a single round. I see him getting KO'd well within 6.
floyd is still the naturally bigger man out of the two. floyd weighs 150 during his dela hoya weigh-in while pac weighs 129 in his solis weigh-in. what do you think they will weigh on fight night? maybe 150 for floyd and 140 for pac. still a big 10 pounds difference. pac started as flyweight and floyd as featherweight. if ever this will be a competitive match, it should be done in 135 which i doubt if floyd can make now.
No, you're wrong. Pac came into the ring at at least 145 in one of his last 2 fights. PBF, despite weighing in at 150 for DLH, actually lost 2 pounds and showed up in the ring at 148. So they were essentially both welters--same size.
ok, be it as what you said (actually pac weigh 142 on his 3rd morales fight), but you cannot dispute the fact that floyd is a naturally bigger man than pac?
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Well by virtue of Manny fighting a relative unknown in Solis Floyd fighting Oscar,Floyd is easily P4P number 1 at the moment BUT if Manny fights JMM next, and wins,Manny easily takes it back imo. Especially if,hypothetically speaking,Manny beat JMM well in a rematch and Floyd beat Oscar i a rematch,I'd easily have Manny first.
As it stands though,Floyd easily and the prospects of a Manny JMM fight are slim at the moment.
I don't care who Pac beats, unless it's PBF. Short of that, the only thing that puts him at #1 is completely reworking himself so he (a) has balance and (b) has defense -- among other things. I don't understand how beating JMM would prove anything about Pac versus Floyd. Floyd is MUCH better than JMM.
I've said this numerous times: despite the fact that they fought their last fights four divisions apart, Pac and PBF came into their respective rings at almost exactly the same weights. Pac beat a nobody 130-pounder. PBF beat Oscar de law Hoya at Jr. Middleweight. There's no comparison. Moreover, given that they've weighed essentially the same amount, you don't have to hypothesize much to think about what it would look like if you put them in the ring together. And in that matchup, I honestly don't see Pac winning a single round. I see him getting KO'd well within 6.
floyd is still the naturally bigger man out of the two. floyd weighs 150 during his dela hoya weigh-in while pac weighs 129 in his solis weigh-in. what do you think they will weigh on fight night? maybe 150 for floyd and 140 for pac. still a big 10 pounds difference. pac started as flyweight and floyd as featherweight. if ever this will be a competitive match, it should be done in 135 which i doubt if floyd can make now.
No, you're wrong. Pac came into the ring at at least 145 in one of his last 2 fights. PBF, despite weighing in at 150 for DLH, actually lost 2 pounds and showed up in the ring at 148. So they were essentially both welters--same size.
ok, be it as what you said (actually pac weigh 142 on his 3rd morales fight), but you cannot dispute the fact that floyd is a naturally bigger man than pac?
Yes, but not by much. Not as much as, e.g., Diego Corrales or Oscar de la Hoya were bigger than Floyd. In other words, not by so much that it shouldn't be a close, competitive fight if Pac was anywhere near Floyd's level.
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Well by virtue of Manny fighting a relative unknown in Solis Floyd fighting Oscar,Floyd is easily P4P number 1 at the moment BUT if Manny fights JMM next, and wins,Manny easily takes it back imo. Especially if,hypothetically speaking,Manny beat JMM well in a rematch and Floyd beat Oscar i a rematch,I'd easily have Manny first.
As it stands though,Floyd easily and the prospects of a Manny JMM fight are slim at the moment.
I don't care who Pac beats, unless it's PBF. Short of that, the only thing that puts him at #1 is completely reworking himself so he (a) has balance and (b) has defense -- among other things. I don't understand how beating JMM would prove anything about Pac versus Floyd. Floyd is MUCH better than JMM.
I've said this numerous times: despite the fact that they fought their last fights four divisions apart, Pac and PBF came into their respective rings at almost exactly the same weights. Pac beat a nobody 130-pounder. PBF beat Oscar de law Hoya at Jr. Middleweight. There's no comparison. Moreover, given that they've weighed essentially the same amount, you don't have to hypothesize much to think about what it would look like if you put them in the ring together. And in that matchup, I honestly don't see Pac winning a single round. I see him getting KO'd well within 6.
floyd is still the naturally bigger man out of the two. floyd weighs 150 during his dela hoya weigh-in while pac weighs 129 in his solis weigh-in. what do you think they will weigh on fight night? maybe 150 for floyd and 140 for pac. still a big 10 pounds difference. pac started as flyweight and floyd as featherweight. if ever this will be a competitive match, it should be done in 135 which i doubt if floyd can make now.
No, you're wrong. Pac came into the ring at at least 145 in one of his last 2 fights. PBF, despite weighing in at 150 for DLH, actually lost 2 pounds and showed up in the ring at 148. So they were essentially both welters--same size.
ok, be it as what you said (actually pac weigh 142 on his 3rd morales fight), but you cannot dispute the fact that floyd is a naturally bigger man than pac?
Yes, but not by much. Not as much as, e.g., Diego Corrales or Oscar de la Hoya were bigger than Floyd. In other words, not by so much that it shouldn't be a close, competitive fight if Pac was anywhere near Floyd's level.
floyd and oscar both started at 130-135. so it was not impossible that they could fight in the future. as for pac, he was still a flyweight at age 20 while floyd a superfeather at age 20.
and if pac is nowhere near floyd's level, how about floyd's level of competition compared to pac?
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I voted that Floyd is clearly on top as did 20 others at the time of this message. Pacman could jump ahead of him with a whipping of Marquez and Valreo.
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I admit if one stood infront of manny you'd take a lashin'... but floyd would be a ghost in that fight, he infact would make manny bleed like a stuck pig. Manny ain't got SHIT on floyd.
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In my mind, Floyd is clearly number 1, he's better than Pac in almost every way. I'd have Pac as the #3 PFP, behind Winky.
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I voted that Floyd is clearly on top as did 20 others at the time of this message. Pacman could jump ahead of him with a whipping of Marquez and Valreo.
Nah, PBF could elevate himself above Pac if he beat Margarito, Williams, and Cotto.
Now those are the real deal.
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pac will never make p4p #1. pac never had a great all out war fight. pac was never nominated for fighter or the year nor his fights being fight of the year. nobody will ever give pac the credit that he deserves. he will never be pound for pound number one.. no matter who you are, pac fans or pbf fans, pac will never be better than pbf.. so give it a rest ok.. althought someday, i wish that a pbf fight and a pac fight will be on the same night and we will see who gets more viewers... just a wish..
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Obviously Jorge Solis was unheard fighter until he ran into Pac.
I agree, Solis was unknown in every sense of the word.
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Pac was a nobody until he ran into champs like Lebwaba and Barrera.
I disagree here Pac WASN'T a nobody. The fact that he was in the smaller weight classes and we all know they don't get much attention is one thing. But to say he was a nobody until he faced Ledwaba or MAB is IMO wrong. Pac was a former Flyweight Champ. he was struggling to make weight as a Flyweight and paid the price there. I wouldn't call him a nobody, I would call him a former champ.
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He defeated them both convincingly by KO.
I agree.
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Bigger and fully motivated Solis failed to do what Pac accomplished.
Bigger yes.
Fully motivated NO, take it from me I know/understand spanish Solis the figher tells his brother (I forget in which round) 'Man hes slapping the sh*t out of me' Solis the brother tells him 'It's OK, your gonna be OK it's nothing' Solis the fighter says 'Yeah! but hes slapping me around hard' Solis the brother tells him 'It's OK, just go out there and fight it's gonna be OK'..... Not fully motivated if you ask me.
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Pac defeated below 30s future hall of famers.
You forget to mention that he lost a fight to one of those Hall of Famers....
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A prime DeLa Hoya would whoop PBF's butt.
Prime MAB & ERIK would beat PAC also. Erik already proved that.....
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Pac vs PBF match up is rediculous. There's no way that will happen.
I agree on this theres no way this fight will ever happen...
Not only due to weight issues but I really think PBF would not take the fight and thats me being as honest as I can be.....
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That is NOT how you rate p4p raking.
Thats right you gotta look at the career all around.
which include: boxing ability, power, defense, ring generalship, experience, quality of oppostion, chin, stamina, titles.
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pac is still number one in my mind, i don't think beating an out of prime and rusty oscar is any better than delivering a humiliating and a total devastation of the two ATGs and future hall of famers to barrera and morales. If only words can tell. . i agree floyd has better defense overall but none has better and devastating offense than the pacman right now; coupled by his total fearlessness, godly stamina and the heart and will to destroy his opponents through relentless pressure starting from round 1 to the finish, i sure think that pacman is every ways technical boxers worst nightmare because there's a saying that "the best offense beats best defense anytime". and the "pacman at his prime" is the perfect specimen with the killer instinct to devour any opponent with the relentless pressure and overwhelming offense that even the best technical fighters out there can hardly resist.
i believe that pbf wouldn't take a chance at fighting pacman even if there's an opportunity in all honesty. he will damn price himself out in this fight no matter what. even then, it's still my dream match. ;D
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is there a solid criteria for P4P? a criteria everyone agrees on?
if p4p best boxer in terms of technique as in pure boxer then ill give it to pbf, he is slick he is smart and he can make a fool out of a polished boxer.
but if p4p crowd pleaser mister excitement never backs out gives everything in the ring. then its hands down PAC. he gave every opponent a beating that they never felt in their whole career.
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Floyd holds the #1 spot. If Winky beats BHOP, then Winky makes a strong statement for at least the #2 spot. If Pac beats JMM, and then moves up to 135, and takes a belt or two, then he makes a strong statement. That's just my opinion. As it stands right now, Floyd is clearly #1.
Winky beating Bernard to me does not prove alot that much to me really. I am interested in seeing how Winky looks at that weight. Top guys has to be Pac.
