Now...Who are the most boxers feared of all time.

Well #1 Foreman had to defend his title vs ALI...Tyson would have lost to him too #2 76 wins 68 KO's while suffering 5 losses and only 1 by KO is consistent in my opinion. Tyson was consistent as well, ALL of Tyson's losses are by KO #3 Joe Frazier had head movement similar to Tyson's...Frazier moved more up and down (which Tyson did on occasion) and Tyson was more side to side but they were both there infront of everyone to be hit. Tyson wasn't so much of a defensive wizard as the guys he fought were afraid to throw punches because they would be countered. As for offense Tyson was very similar to Joe Frazier...add in an uppercut and an overhand right and Joe Frazier IS Mike Tyson. Joe's mental toughness was second to none which is also why him losing in 2 rounds to Foreman was amazing.

Foreman was still able to be champion at 45 years old after learning a new style and changing his whole personality....he was a totally different fighter in his second try at it....and that guy was smart enough to beat Tyson....the Prime Foreman was just tough enough to beat Tyson.

Say what you want master but George would of never lost to a fighter of the level of buster Douglas. And you talk about how long George was champ but in that time he had 10x the better wins then Tyson so whats that say about Tysons ever. Let me tell yuo it means it was a weak era and Tyson lucky he was in a weak era when he fought mostly bums.

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Tyson had far more skill than Foreman and he would hit him and not be hit with ease, Foreman thre wide punches, also he had better stamina so would have lasted if the fight went into the latter rounds.

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Tyson had better skill than Frank Bruno and Bruno still rocked his ass....fights aren't won on skill alone.

George Foreman fought Joe Frazier and massacred him and Tyson would have faced the same huge bombs that were dropped on Frazier. Old Foreman would have whipped Tyson's ass too. George not only had a mental edge on Tyson, he fought using his physical features to his advantage.


We've got an entire thread dedicated to Foreman-Tyson and honestly I just don't see Tyson having the HEART or mental toughness to beat any top 10 All-Time Great Heavyweight.

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Frazier and Tyson fought nothing alike(Frazier doesn't possess a fraction of the speed Tyson had, and Tyson didn't go to the body nearly as much as Frazier did). Foreman never went up against a fighter who possessed the tenacity in the early stages of a fight like Tyson, just as Tyson never faced a fighter with the power of Foreman. Neither one of these guys was invincible, but also neither one of them in their primes could be obliterated by anyone in less than 6 rounds, that just ain't happening. One of them would get stopped in about 9-12 rounds. Even the brutal beatings that Tyson did endure when he lost, it took his opponent over half of the fight to put him away. And Foreman essentially got caught rocked with a single shot from a fighter who is not even in the same ballpark powerwise as Mike. Prime for prime, stylistically, this would be a pick-em (I'd personally go with Foreman by KO in 10 or 11).

Cmon guys how can you forget The Great Mexican Boxer " SALVADOR SANCHES " , that was a boxer that in his time could been the most feared in his Div. by getting the World Title by KO to the other Great Boxer " Wilfredo The Bazooka Gomez "..........;D

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I can't recall his name, but the guy nobody, including Ray Robinson would fight.

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Charley Burley.

That brings up a good point. We're all quick to name off big named bombers like Tyson, Foreman, ect. But what about the guys who were so feared that they never became big names? Guys like Aaron Pryor and Charley Burley?

Taken from Charley's wikipedia...

Among the fighters who "ducked" Burley were Hall of Famers Billy Conn (who fought Joe Louis for the heavyweight title), Frenchman Marcel Cerdan (who was supposed to face Burley in his American debut), Jake LaMotta (who had fought the likes of powerpuncher Bob Satterfield, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Holman Williams, who was Burley's greatest rival), and even Sugar Ray Robinson, considered by many boxing historians as the best pound-for-pound fighter of all time.


Obviously we never know the full story, but if thats true, it he had a rugged iron chinned guy like Jake Lamotta ducking him, than goddamn he must have been a bad motherfucker.

Even with guys like Shavers and Foreman, sure they were feared but not too many of the top guys of the time ducked them. Both of their records are pretty much a "who's who" list of 70s Heavyweight boxing.

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I can't recall his name, but the guy nobody, including Ray Robinson would fight.

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Charley Burley.

That brings up a good point. We're all quick to name off big named bombers like Tyson, Foreman, ect. But what about the guys who were so feared that they never became big names? Guys like Aaron Pryor and Charley Burley?

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That's what I meant earlier - there is a difference between being feared and being avoided.

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Say what you want master but George would of never lost to a fighter of the level of buster Douglas. And you talk about how long George was champ but in that time he had 10x the better wins then Tyson so whats that say about Tysons ever. Let me tell yuo it means it was a weak era and Tyson lucky he was in a weak era when he fought mostly bums.

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Foreman lost to Tommy Morrison and the prime lost to Jimmy Young. Tyson at 45 could have ko'ed Moorer with his weak ass chin.

Have to give Lennox a shout. Would probably say avoided, at least for awhile. After beating Bowe at the Olympics, Bowe never would fight him, and we all remember the belt in the garbage can. Tyson definately stayed away, and Holyfield never fought him until there was noone left. And even Tua didn't go for broke after Lewis cracked him to the body early.

Shout to Pryor as most avoided.

As for feared, give Tyson a vote, and hell, Max Baer killed a couple of guys.

Say what you want about Moore but he still pulled a win over Holyfeild a guy that Tyson could not go 12 rounds with but a old Foreman could. Funny a man that way past his prime doing better then a much younger Tyson did and dont take my word for it ask Holyfeild. I am so sick of you saying Tyson could do this and that but he never did so what that tell you.

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Say what you want master but George would of never lost to a fighter of the level of buster Douglas. And you talk about how long George was champ but in that time he had 10x the better wins then Tyson so whats that say about Tysons ever. Let me tell yuo it means it was a weak era and Tyson lucky he was in a weak era when he fought mostly bums.

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Foreman lost to Tommy Morrison and the prime lost to Jimmy Young. Tyson at 45 could have ko'ed Moorer with his weak ass chin.

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Tyson at 37 could not beat Danny Williams or Kevin McBride....

Morrison beats either prime for prime...

BTW Jimmy Young was a good boxer who had a draw with Shavers, holds a win over Lyle, went 15rds with Ali, and was only KO'd twice once when past his prime against Cooney and once against a young murderous Shavers....

The more you go on about this the less you show that you are basing your opp on boxing knowledge and more on just being a fan

Really do not want to compare fighters against different fighter, Lyle started it.

Moorer beat an injured Holyfield as he proved in their rematch, so he was lucky to become a champion. Moorer chin was weak and as Tua proved can be KO'ed quickly.

IMO Prime Tyson beats prime Foreman.

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Really do not want to compare fighters against different fighter, Lyle started it.

Moorer beat an injured Holyfield as he proved in their rematch, so he was lucky to become a champion. Moorer chin was weak and as Tua proved can be KO'ed quickly.

IMO Prime Tyson beats prime Foreman.

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I am not going to argue the point with you...You are not the only person I have ever heard say that....and do not get me wrong it is possible...I would bet on George...

I was just making the point that a loss to Young does not mean anything...Young was a good fighter and fought very good comp in an era where the Journeymen were the equivelant of many of todays champions...and Tyson lost to much worse...other then that it just comes down to one of those...we will never know type situations,,,

Thanks for the compromise and I did not want to sound like a Tyson nut hugger but I remember those early fights where these heavyweights would throw big wild punches at Tyson and he would bob and weave and not get hit and then counter with the big left hooks and KO the big heavyweights, which is how I see the fight. I am sure Foreman would have take many of the blows but the accumulation and the speed of them would eventually tell in my mind. But who really knows? But it would be one of the most exciting fights of all time.

I consider a prime or better refined Foreman the 'comeback' version.That Tyson fight was Bantered about .....I remember after Foreman No-Mased Cooper he was going to each side of the ring starting a chant ..."Tyson,Tyson..We want money, I mean We want Tyson"

I actually believe at a point in his comeback he would have beaten Tyson....By TKO.Physically a great battle,Mentally No Contest!