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If those 32 guys had faced B-Hop instead, they will be murdered... Calzaghe's hands right now were already fragile that might prevent him throwing "true" power punches... What Joe throws were mostly pitty pat punches... So I think Hopkins will be throwing the harder punches during the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Er Calzaghe has stopped 32 super middle weights, Bernard hasnt stopped anyone over middle weight:rolleyes:;D;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Hopkins has more life experience because he is older.. doesn't mean he has more boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerOlder guys has the experience advantage... Hopkins is 43 while Joe is 36... Hopkins already experienced everything (i think) but Joe has one thing he hasn't experience yet... that is LOSING a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
There's no experience ADVANTAGE. These guys have been fighting their entire lives.. at the very TOP for donkeys years
Hopkins as HOME advantage. Maybe Calzaghe wont handle fighting in Hopkins backyard.. but i doubt it.
And yeah Joe don't know how to lose.. That's a HUGE advantage in his favour.
Add that to your list.
Dyou think Trinidad would have lasted as long against Joe, or Joppy, or Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIf those 32 guys had faced B-Hop instead, they will be murdered... Calzaghe's hands right now were already fragile that might prevent him throwing "true" power punches... What Joe throws were mostly pitty pat punches... So I think Hopkins will be throwing the harder punches during the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossEr Calzaghe has stopped 32 super middle weights, Bernard hasnt stopped anyone over middle weight:rolleyes:;D;D;D;D;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Taylor would have been knocked all over the place, didnt Jermain have Bernard floundering all over the place? Pavlik stopped him but Bernard couldnt.
Bernard will be happy to do what he did in the Taylor fight, he will realise he cant keep up early but it wont be like Taylor, Joe will keep the pace up and either Hopkins stays in his shell doing piss all or tries to fight and gets stopped;D
Depends on how you look at it... Sometimes it's a burden to think that there might be a time when your "0" has to go... When you lose already, you're not afraid of losing anymore... no more pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHopkins has more life experience because he is older.. doesn't mean he has more boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerOlder guys has the experience advantage... Hopkins is 43 while Joe is 36... Hopkins already experienced everything (i think) but Joe has one thing he hasn't experience yet... that is LOSING a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And yeah Joe don't know how to lose.. That's a HUGE advantage in his favour.
Add that to your list.
Another thing Joe hasn't experience yet... fighting away from home (aside from one in Germany)... How Joe gonna handle this?
Germany is the most notorious place in the world for travelling fighters taking on germans but Joe went there and knocked out someone bigger than Bernard has ever knocked out;D 6,4" and bigger than a middle or ex welter;D
Actually comparing who they have fought is like apples and oranges... I'm just giving the power advantage to Hopkins right now mainly due to Joe's fragile hands...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDyou think Trinidad would have lasted as long against Joe, or Joppy, or Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerIf those 32 guys had faced B-Hop instead, they will be murdered... Calzaghe's hands right now were already fragile that might prevent him throwing "true" power punches... What Joe throws were mostly pitty pat punches... So I think Hopkins will be throwing the harder punches during the fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Taylor would have been knocked all over the place, didnt Jermain have Bernard floundering all over the place? Pavlik stopped him but Bernard couldnt.
Bernard will be happy to do what he did in the Taylor fight, he will realise he cant keep up early but it wont be like Taylor, Joe will keep the pace up and either Hopkins stays in his shell doing piss all or tries to fight and gets stopped;D
Nah.. once you KNOW how to lose it's EASIER to lose. It's science.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDepends on how you look at it... Sometimes it's a burden to think that there might be a time when your "0" has to go... When you lose already, you're not afraid of losing anymore... no more pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHopkins has more life experience because he is older.. doesn't mean he has more boxing experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
And yeah Joe don't know how to lose.. That's a HUGE advantage in his favour.
Add that to your list.
Another thing Joe hasn't experience yet... fighting away from home (aside from one in Germany)... How Joe gonna handle this?
Joe might not handle Vegas. That's a possible. HOME advantage clearly for Hopkins.
Joe passed that one in Germany (and Denmark) with flying colors... But how will Joe perform in his Las Vegas/American debut?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
What we can do now is just wait... Waaaa can't wait anymore... ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterNah.. once you KNOW how to lose it's EASIER to lose. It's science.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerDepends on how you look at it... Sometimes it's a burden to think that there might be a time when your "0" has to go... When you lose already, you're not afraid of losing anymore... no more pressure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Another thing Joe hasn't experience yet... fighting away from home (aside from one in Germany)... How Joe gonna handle this?
Joe might not handle Vegas. That's a possible. HOME advantage clearly for Hopkins.
Nice discussion guys... Need to logout now...
It looks to me Joe's neck is bigger.I mean come guys does this really mean anything at all.The size of Hopkins that is.
When it comes to who has more experience over the other. Even though Joe has the greater amateur background, Hopkins has been in the ring with much greater opponents. Hopkins is the first top pound-for-pound fighter Joe is going to be in the ring with.
Hopkins' most noteable fights are Roy Jones Jr., Trinidad, Joppy, De La Hoya, Taylor (twice), Winky, and Tarver.
Calzaghe's most noteable fights are Eubank, Lacy, Bika, and Kessler.
I would rather have a fighter who fought FEWER quality opponents than one who fights MORE less-competitive oppents...
I personally think Calzaghe is going to pull this one out, but I have never picked Hopkins to win any fight and he has proved me wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME! I just think the discussion over who is the more experienced fighter is easily given to Hopkins.
Hopkins' affliction top is fuckin awesome :cool:
I wouldn't say Hopkins has more experience than Joe. Calzaghe has experience of actually fighting and beating prime undefeated fighters from his weight class. That's something the Nard has never experienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftRoach can be full of it sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
So the advantages are ...
Size: Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Hopkins
Speed: Calzaghe
Age: Calzaghe
Power: Hopkins
Experience: Hopkins
Workrate: Calzaghe
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21 years of pro experience, more fights, better opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHow does Hopkins have the experience advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYep, Roach overdo it sometimes... but I still consider Roach the better coach, trainer and cornerman compared to Enzo...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
So the advantages are ...
Size: Hopkins
Corner/Coach: Hopkins
Speed: Calzaghe
Age: Calzaghe
Power: Hopkins
Experience: Hopkins
Workrate: Calzaghe
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Originally Posted by ross
on his tippy toes?
is that a joke??
his god damn heels are on the ground.. i think you need to find another minuscule detail to analyze.. :rolleyes: