Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Dude, Pavlik is big and he hits hard BUT he's open to counters and his hands are slower than Joe's. I think Calzaghe being quick, being a good counter puncher, and being a southpaw would really screw with Pavlik who's only big test has been vs Jermain Taylor....sure he fought Edison Miranda but Miranda has proven to be a bigger headcase than a good fighter.
I think Joe's style of fighting would benefit from Pavlik's style of fighting but I can't see Pavlik benefitting from the way Joe fights....I think he could psyche out Pavlik and mess him up big time....Pavlik IMO is like a blend of Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler (sure he's a better fighter and more effective but he's similar to both of them, with speed, power, and defense) and Joe handled them with ease
Agreed again.
Although i dont know if pavlik is a better fighter than kessler. Id say that kessler vs pavlik would be a v interesting fight, i couldt predict who would win.
What youve said about styles is correct in my opinion, joe will find the range to counter kelly at, he will confuse kelly and catch him with combos, he will tie him up with in fighting aswell like he did with lacy.
Although pavlik is one of my fav fighters i cant see him beating joe. Id like to see pavlik fight abrahams first because it would be nice to see pavlik win the undisputed title to his name aswell. If he beats abrahams and i think he will then it gives him even more cred when coming into face calzaghe, perhaps more experience aswell, experience against abrahams could be vital when fighting someone like calzaghe.
Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
He was able to recover because JT does not fight consistently for 12 rounds, he tires out, he loads up to much on his right cross and his defense allows a fighter to come close to him and do damage.
Joe is a veteran fighter he's consistent and he plays in the ring even after he's been knocked down....it's very disheartening to be losing a fight and have your opponent showboat and gloat infront of you and honestly I doubt Pavlik will take kindly to that, he tried to do that back and forth with JT and got floored...which shows you he's psychologically weak.
You can be a bad ass and be psychologically weak see Prime Mike Tyson and George Foreman...those guys were psychologically weak but no one was able to break them except the very best...Joe is right now the very best and he can beat Pavlik, he can beat him up too
Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
Lyle, i give it to you on the styles, but I don't think he is weak mentally (good call on tyson and foreman), maybe inexperienced, but where Tyson was an animal, until you broke him, i just don't see Pavlik being that way, especially since he did come back and win against Taylor. also agreed that Taylor could have won that first fight, if he was smarter. Joe is more seasoned, and is a smart fighter, with more experience. Pavlik just seems like a demon though, where not too much deters him, which would play into Joe's gameplan. But, if Pavlik jab is working, could be rough.
I just don't think it would be like Lacy. Man, that was a beat down.
Oh yea, did I mention I'm from Ohio, just like Pavlik, lol
Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
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Originally Posted by
Unknowndonor
Lyle, i give it to you on the styles, but I don't think he is weak mentally (good call on tyson and foreman), maybe inexperienced, but where Tyson was an animal, until you broke him, i just don't see Pavlik being that way, especially since he did come back and win against Taylor. also agreed that Taylor could have won that first fight, if he was smarter. Joe is more seasoned, and is a smart fighter, with more experience. Pavlik just seems like a demon though, where not too much deters him, which would play into Joe's gameplan. But, if Pavlik jab is working, could be rough.
I just don't think it would be like Lacy. Man, that was a beat down.
Oh yea, did I mention I'm from Ohio, just like Pavlik, lol
Your man pavlik is a great exciting fighter mate;)
Lots of respect for him.
It will be a cracking fight with calzaghe if they fight.
Calzaghe slightly past his prime and a prime pavlik. Im not saying that to excuse calzaghe if he loses. If pavlik wins then wow, i mean lets say he beats abrahams at middleweight aswell, then beats calzaghe...that would be incredible, an instant hall of famer by doing that!
But i cant see it happening, as lyle said, calzaghe has too much speed and craft to let pavlik fight his way. He out mastered hopkins with tactics in his last fight, not many people can do that. Couple that with the fact that joe loves to fight against fighters who come forward. I cant see it being pavlik's night.
Id love to see pavlik fight abrahams and kessler and beat those guys though aswell, because he is a real top boxer and id hate to see him lose to joe calzaghe at a young age and then never feel the same again and wither away. I mean if you look at lacy and now even kessler who seems to be acting v strange, although pavlik is DEFINATELY NOT A JEFF LACY, HES MUCH SUPERIOR to lacy, id hate to see him get beat by joe and then have his confidence taken away because i really like the guy as a boxer.
I say that this fight needs to happen, let pavlik fight abrahams to become undisputed whilst joe fights roy jones...then the pair of them should make it a showdown in madison sq.
Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
I think Jones would beat Calzaghe yes he is an old Jones but he is still fast and powerful i think he can roll the clock back for one night only and give Calzaghe an ASS whooping.
Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
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tysonbruno
I think Jones would beat Calzaghe yes he is an old Jones but he is still fast and powerful i think he can roll the clock back for one night only and give Calzaghe an ASS whooping.
I'm going with JC that Mofo is smart he made the necessary adjustments in each fight and won.
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i think jones could pull it off.
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Re: Right Then Calzaghe Vs Jones Looks Likely To Be Next Who Win??
I honestly give Roy more than a slight chance to beat Calzaghe. Calzaghe is weak to counters and Jones can counter the shit out of him on a good night. Sure he's aged but he still has the power and a speed advantage over JC. I think Joe showed a few weaknesses last night that Roy will be looking to exploit. My worry for Jones would have been if JC was a big puncher but he's not. I see Jones putting JC on the seat of his pants a few times in that fight with his timing and power.
