This is tuff...
I like Haye but I've been a long fan of Wladdy for years, poor Haye.
He's gonna get his socks knocked off.
"I like how Haye says I'm the top guy in the Heavys"
:lol:
He's only had 1 fight at Heavy. ;D
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This is tuff...
I like Haye but I've been a long fan of Wladdy for years, poor Haye.
He's gonna get his socks knocked off.
"I like how Haye says I'm the top guy in the Heavys"
:lol:
He's only had 1 fight at Heavy. ;D
Now who was it in that JMM-Pac thread that said that JMM was rude and disrespectful towards Pac?
Now you see the difference here between disrespectful and what JMM did?
;)
None of the guys you mentioned ARE UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED CHAMPIONS OF THEIR DIVISION LIKE HAYE ISQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
See above post, + plus correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing about an 8-10 pound difference between the Crusisers from the late 80's till now, and the quality of Heavies is dramatically weaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Again Haye beat the man to become the man and then beat the #1 contender and now has decided to fight at Heavy what more was there to do for him:confused: The fact is people still hold on to the fact that the Heavy weight division should be viewed with reverence and some majestic romance of yesteryear... When the fact is the Heavyweight division is piss poor quality and lacking the most depth than any division in Boxing today...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I believe that after Wlad fights his Mandatories and Wlad wins than most certainly this fight should happen.... Again whats wrong with Haye being outlandish and trying to get his name out there, the man is young, strong athletic and has a flair for showmanship, all of a sudden we rather have a robotic version of Dr Zhivago who is as tentative and scared to fight. :horseshit: HorseShit!!!!!!!
dont worry about me man I see the bigger picture, its you who puts your faith in a 250lb pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by JT RockNone of the guys you mentioned ARE UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED CHAMPIONS OF THEIR DIVISION LIKE HAYE ISQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
See above post, + plus correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing about an 8-10 pound difference between the Crusisers from the late 80's till now, and the quality of Heavies is dramatically weaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Again Haye beat the man to become the man and then beat the #1 contender and now has decided to fight at Heavy what more was there to do for him:confused: The fact is people still hold on to the fact that the Heavy weight division should be viewed with reverence and some majestic romance of yesteryear... When the fact is the Heavyweight division is piss poor quality and lacking the most depth than any division in Boxing today...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I believe that after Wlad fights his Mandatories and Wlad wins than most certainly this fight should happen.... Again whats wrong with Haye being outlandish and trying to get his name out there, the man is young, strong athletic and has a flair for showmanship, all of a sudden we rather have a robotic version of Dr Zhivago who is as tentative and scared to fight. :horseshit: HorseShit!!!!!!!
dont worry about me man I see the bigger picture, its you who puts your faith in a 250lb pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't know JT Lyle talks sense...Think about it mate...What has Haye done at HW?...Why does he garner a bout with Wlad over everyone else?...What about some unifacation bouts?....What about hm fighting a top 10 guy first?....Sultan is 1 fight from his reign as champion....
Povetkin is undefeated, Thompson, Dimitrienko, Virchis, Valuev.....
You may not like them or feel they are worthy but all have put in their work...
McCline while has lost his last 3 was somewhat cheated out of his win over Peter....Not fair to just overlook him and Give a CW a title shot...Ruiz is back and looking damn! good...Boring in the past yes but an established vet who is fighting a new style and capable of wrestling a strap from anyone....He was cheated out of his title flat and that part is a fact.....
All these guys have put in years not a few fights to keep in the title picture....
What has Haye really done?...OK he beat Mormeck and Enzo but before that can you name 3 top 10 opp or even top 15 ranked guys off the top of your head?....Just a bunch of padded names and that is a fact...
So padded that 1 fight before Mormeck he beat Bonin who had something like a 35-1 record but was not even considered a top 25 fighter in the CW division.....
The current crop of heavy's may be a weak one but the guys have put in their tim to stay in the mix and not be overlooked for a recently crowned champion who has a poor resume....
Haye is starting to arouse a lot of interest for this fight, within a years time of him beating 2 top tenners it will be the fight that everyone will want to see... We all know at this time this fight creates more excitement than any other except maybe a 2nd Peter fight of maybe Valuev just for the dog and pony show it would createQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockNone of the guys you mentioned ARE UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED CHAMPIONS OF THEIR DIVISION LIKE HAYE ISQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
See above post, + plus correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing about an 8-10 pound difference between the Crusisers from the late 80's till now, and the quality of Heavies is dramatically weaker.
Again Haye beat the man to become the man and then beat the #1 contender and now has decided to fight at Heavy what more was there to do for him:confused: The fact is people still hold on to the fact that the Heavy weight division should be viewed with reverence and some majestic romance of yesteryear... When the fact is the Heavyweight division is piss poor quality and lacking the most depth than any division in Boxing today...
I believe that after Wlad fights his Mandatories and Wlad wins than most certainly this fight should happen.... Again whats wrong with Haye being outlandish and trying to get his name out there, the man is young, strong athletic and has a flair for showmanship, all of a sudden we rather have a robotic version of Dr Zhivago who is as tentative and scared to fight. :horseshit: HorseShit!!!!!!!
dont worry about me man I see the bigger picture, its you who puts your faith in a 250lb pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't know JT Lyle talks sense...Think about it mate...What has Haye done at HW?...Why does he garner a bout with Wlad over everyone else?...What about some unifacation bouts?....What about hm fighting a top 10 guy first?....Sultan is 1 fight from his reign as champion....
Povetkin is undefeated, Thompson, Dimitrienko, Virchis, Valuev.....
You may not like them or feel they are worthy but all have put in their work...
McCline while has lost his last 3 was somewhat cheated out of his win over Peter....Not fair to just overlook him and Give a CW a title shot...Ruiz is back and looking damn! good...Boring in the past yes but an established vet who is fighting a new style and capable of wrestling a strap from anyone....He was cheated out of his title flat and that part is a fact.....
All these guys have put in years not a few fights to keep in the title picture....
What has Haye really done?...OK he beat Mormeck and Enzo but before that can you name 3 top 10 opp or even top 15 ranked guys off the top of your head?....Just a bunch of padded names and that is a fact...
So padded that 1 fight before Mormeck he beat Bonin who had something like a 35-1 record but was not even considered a top 25 fighter in the CW division.....
The current crop of heavy's may be a weak one but the guys have put in their tim to stay in the mix and not be overlooked for a recently crowned champion who has a poor resume....
Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHaye is starting to arouse a lot of interest for this fight, within a years time of him beating 2 top tenners it will be the fight that everyone will want to see... We all know at this time this fight creates more excitement than any other except maybe a 2nd Peter fight of maybe Valuev just for the dog and pony show it would createQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I don't know JT Lyle talks sense...Think about it mate...What has Haye done at HW?...Why does he garner a bout with Wlad over everyone else?...What about some unifacation bouts?....What about hm fighting a top 10 guy first?....Sultan is 1 fight from his reign as champion....
Povetkin is undefeated, Thompson, Dimitrienko, Virchis, Valuev.....
You may not like them or feel they are worthy but all have put in their work...
McCline while has lost his last 3 was somewhat cheated out of his win over Peter....Not fair to just overlook him and Give a CW a title shot...Ruiz is back and looking damn! good...Boring in the past yes but an established vet who is fighting a new style and capable of wrestling a strap from anyone....He was cheated out of his title flat and that part is a fact.....
All these guys have put in years not a few fights to keep in the title picture....
What has Haye really done?...OK he beat Mormeck and Enzo but before that can you name 3 top 10 opp or even top 15 ranked guys off the top of your head?....Just a bunch of padded names and that is a fact...
So padded that 1 fight before Mormeck he beat Bonin who had something like a 35-1 record but was not even considered a top 25 fighter in the CW division.....
The current crop of heavy's may be a weak one but the guys have put in their tim to stay in the mix and not be overlooked for a recently crowned champion who has a poor resume....
That much I agree on...It would generate interest if anything just for the simple fact both the HW and CW divisions are about as exciting as watching paint dry:-\....But there is a difference between a fight that will draw interest and it being a fight that Haye deserves a title shot
Right now it really doesn't matter what Wlad wants (which is to UNIFY THE DIVISION) he has mandatories and in order to accomplish what everyone says he must do he's going to have to fight Thompson and Povetkin.
David Haye: doesn't deserve shot because he has fought and beaten 0top 10 heavyweights and therefore has no room to talk as much trash as he's talking and he doesn't have any huge fan base outside of the UK assuming he has one there and he brings no more money to the table and he has no belts and using that reasoning he deserves about as much of a shot as Tye Fields.
I am not saying that he's no good, I'm not saying he won't in the future hold a belt, I'm not saying he won't in the future have a huge following but right now he's nobody and like Holyfield did back in the late 80's he's going to have to fight and beat some top heavyweights before he gets a shot
Vlad will ruin him 100%
That's what I'm saying BigH...REP
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
When will that breath be taken? When he's on his back after the first Wlad right hand?
Win or lose against Wlad,David Haye will create interest and excitment in the HW division that has been gone for a long time.
That has got to be good for boxing and the fans.;D
I cant remember the lst time I was looking forward to watching a HW fight.
david has a good chance but he shouldnt be getting himself a name as a cocky arrogant prick because if he does get KTFO people will just laugh at him. Although he does back his mouth up in the ring I do respect him for that. He needs to fight a top ten fight ASAP and really push a fight with Wlad, big KO's is what he needs and he can do it.
did he actually throw one of those in his last fight? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
When will that breath be taken? When he's on his back after the first Wlad right hand?
i gotta give haye credit, it takes alot to call out the best heavyweight, lets see how he does in his next two fights and hopefully they can battle it out.
wlad is cool also
Actually Bonin was a big win he was top 10 ranked in the heavyweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JT RockNone of the guys you mentioned ARE UNDISPUTED UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED CHAMPIONS OF THEIR DIVISION LIKE HAYE ISQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
See above post, + plus correct me if I'm wrong but I'm seeing about an 8-10 pound difference between the Crusisers from the late 80's till now, and the quality of Heavies is dramatically weaker.
Again Haye beat the man to become the man and then beat the #1 contender and now has decided to fight at Heavy what more was there to do for him:confused: The fact is people still hold on to the fact that the Heavy weight division should be viewed with reverence and some majestic romance of yesteryear... When the fact is the Heavyweight division is piss poor quality and lacking the most depth than any division in Boxing today...
I believe that after Wlad fights his Mandatories and Wlad wins than most certainly this fight should happen.... Again whats wrong with Haye being outlandish and trying to get his name out there, the man is young, strong athletic and has a flair for showmanship, all of a sudden we rather have a robotic version of Dr Zhivago who is as tentative and scared to fight. :horseshit: HorseShit!!!!!!!
dont worry about me man I see the bigger picture, its you who puts your faith in a 250lb pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I don't know JT Lyle talks sense...Think about it mate...What has Haye done at HW?...Why does he garner a bout with Wlad over everyone else?...What about some unifacation bouts?....What about hm fighting a top 10 guy first?....Sultan is 1 fight from his reign as champion....
Povetkin is undefeated, Thompson, Dimitrienko, Virchis, Valuev.....
You may not like them or feel they are worthy but all have put in their work...
McCline while has lost his last 3 was somewhat cheated out of his win over Peter....Not fair to just overlook him and Give a CW a title shot...Ruiz is back and looking damn! good...Boring in the past yes but an established vet who is fighting a new style and capable of wrestling a strap from anyone....He was cheated out of his title flat and that part is a fact.....
All these guys have put in years not a few fights to keep in the title picture....
What has Haye really done?...OK he beat Mormeck and Enzo but before that can you name 3 top 10 opp or even top 15 ranked guys off the top of your head?....Just a bunch of padded names and that is a fact...
So padded that 1 fight before Mormeck he beat Bonin who had something like a 35-1 record but was not even considered a top 25 fighter in the CW division.....
The current crop of heavy's may be a weak one but the guys have put in their tim to stay in the mix and not be overlooked for a recently crowned champion who has a poor resume....
I can see where JT is coming from to an extent. When it comes to undisputed champs we expect them to move up and challenge the best straight away. Hopkins moving up to face Tarver, Calzaghe moving up to face Hopkins, Hatton moving up to face Mayweather. Everyone is moaning because Pacman's first fight at lightweight is only against one of the lesser champs and not Campbell or Casamayor.
Rafael Marquez moved up to face Israel Vazquez etc.
So I can see JT's point..........
But David Haye is being such a fucking tool in the way he's acting that he just makes me want to see him get the absolute shit kicked out of him.
I will say this though, a trash talking tool who can't back his shit up I hate, a trash talking tool who is able to back his shit up and do what he claims........they earn my respect.
So when Haye moves up I'll root against him, but if he does pull it off I'll give him the respect he deserves.
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Originally Posted by BilboActually Bonin was a big win he was top 10 ranked in the heavyweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I don't know JT Lyle talks sense...Think about it mate...What has Haye done at HW?...Why does he garner a bout with Wlad over everyone else?...What about some unifacation bouts?....What about hm fighting a top 10 guy first?....Sultan is 1 fight from his reign as champion....
Povetkin is undefeated, Thompson, Dimitrienko, Virchis, Valuev.....
You may not like them or feel they are worthy but all have put in their work...
McCline while has lost his last 3 was somewhat cheated out of his win over Peter....Not fair to just overlook him and Give a CW a title shot...Ruiz is back and looking damn! good...Boring in the past yes but an established vet who is fighting a new style and capable of wrestling a strap from anyone....He was cheated out of his title flat and that part is a fact.....
All these guys have put in years not a few fights to keep in the title picture....
What has Haye really done?...OK he beat Mormeck and Enzo but before that can you name 3 top 10 opp or even top 15 ranked guys off the top of your head?....Just a bunch of padded names and that is a fact...
So padded that 1 fight before Mormeck he beat Bonin who had something like a 35-1 record but was not even considered a top 25 fighter in the CW division.....
The current crop of heavy's may be a weak one but the guys have put in their tim to stay in the mix and not be overlooked for a recently crowned champion who has a poor resume....
I can see where JT is coming from to an extent. When it comes to undisputed champs we expect them to move up and challenge the best straight away. Hopkins moving up to face Tarver, Calzaghe moving up to face Hopkins, Hatton moving up to face Mayweather. Everyone is moaning because Pacman's first fight at lightweight is only against one of the lesser champs and not Campbell or Casamayor.
Rafael Marquez moved up to face Israel Vazquez etc.
So I can see JT's point..........
But David Haye is being such a fucking tool in the way he's acting that he just makes me want to see him get the absolute shit kicked out of him.
I will say this though, a trash talking tool who can't back his shit up I hate, a trash talking tool who is able to back his shit up and do what he claims........they earn my respect.
So when Haye moves up I'll root against him, but if he does pull it off I'll give him the respect he deserves.
Don't worry. You won't have to;D