Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Tam Seddon
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You got to be fukking kidding me? Fraud looked like absolute garbage last night. That was a 1st round knock out fight if I ever saw one. I can't believe that 37 year old made it to the 4th round. Fraud tries to fight like
he's Nassem Hamed. I have no doubt, Kessler, Miranda, Bute, Green would smoke this clown. The guy just ain't that fukking good. It was obvious. He and Witter were a disgraced last night. One of the worse nights of boxing ever
Quite VD you are never happy and a British fighter NEVER ever pleases. It wasnt his fault he had to fight him. He was suppose to fight Dennis Inkin, ranked number 2 in the world. But HE pussied out twice, so it wasnt his fault at all. Why did he look garbage may I ask? He clearly won every round and threw A LOT of hurtful shots and was clearly in command, how is that possible garbage, explain please?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Do you really think that telegraphed uppercut and that stalking your opponent with your hands down crap would work with a top level fighter? Seriously do you? He got away with it last night cuz he was fighting a 37 year old D level fighter. But he would never get away with that with a top level fighter. And you seriously got to know that.
But if you had heard what he said after the fight you would know that Carl was looking for a big knockout and didnt try and box the guy at all .He wanted to put on a show for the fans, not wait there and go 12 rounds with a big chin'd poll. You havent seen anything or him to be honest VD, you cant judge a few fights you may have seen, all of which ended in a Carl Froch KO as well. Calling him a fraud is just a dumbass thing to say to be honest. You just need to wait and see his next fight, he will be a world champion ;)
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Tam Seddon
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He was fighting a third choice fighter, it wasnt his fault. That Polish guy had a pretty firm chin if you asked me, Carl was looking for a BIG shot to make it look better, if he had just gone for him maybe he could have ended it in the first. Hence why he threw that monster right uppercut...
As ive said many times before, he is stepping up, Inkin was the step up but he pulled out twice. Whoever he fights next will be a step up because it will be for the WBC title. It's either JC or a highly ranked fighter fighting for the belt.
He bottled his chance to fight Calzaghe.
He'll get the belt given to him and will make a first defence against somebody not much better than the Polish tomato can, but eventually he'll have to face somebody world class and then we'll see how good he is. :)
And Carl Froch didnt personally ring up Calzaghe and ask for a fight? He WANTS the JC fight more than anything! How much of a dumb post was that really. Have you even looked at the WBC top 15? there are a lot of fucking hard fighers in there and would test Froch. But can you not read, he was suppose to fight Dennis Inkin last night but he pulled out twice and then an Amercian pulled out. To even fight was good enough for froch to be honest.
He was given the opportunity to fight Calzaghe a year ago and bottled it. The phone call on ITV was just a bit of pr for Froch.
It's easy to look like Sugar Ray Robinson against fighters like that Polish guy. It's when you move up in class that you discover how good fighters are, and Froch hasn't fought anybody near world class yet. His last two fights were a club fighter and a porn star. Let's see how good he looks against a full-time world-class fighter in his prime. I think you're in for a bit of a shock when we do.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Tam Seddon
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He bottled his chance to fight Calzaghe.
He'll get the belt given to him and will make a first defence against somebody not much better than the Polish tomato can, but eventually he'll have to face somebody world class and then we'll see how good he is. :)
And Carl Froch didnt personally ring up Calzaghe and ask for a fight? He WANTS the JC fight more than anything! How much of a dumb post was that really. Have you even looked at the WBC top 15? there are a lot of fucking hard fighers in there and would test Froch. But can you not read, he was suppose to fight Dennis Inkin last night but he pulled out twice and then an Amercian pulled out. To even fight was good enough for froch to be honest.
He was given the opportunity to fight Calzaghe a year ago and bottled it. The phone call on ITV was just a bit of pr for Froch.
It's easy to look like Sugar Ray Robinson against fighters like that Polish guy. It's when you move up in class that you discover how good fighters are, and Froch hasn't fought anybody near world class yet. His last two fights were a club fighter and a porn star. Let's see how good he looks against a full-time world-class fighter in his prime. I think you're in for a bit of a shock when we do.
I think your in a bit of shock to be honest. If that was a carl froch barely trying last night, looking for one shot to end it, I cant wait to see a Froch being at his A game. He will up his game a lot against a better fighter and you know that for a fact. So you cant really say he would fight like that against a better fighter to be honest. He will feel a lot more pressure and we will see the best of Froch, he can only get better and he is doing that.
He didnt bottle the fight at all, he faught Peter Manfredo instead...
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Tam Seddon
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Violent Demise
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Tam Seddon
Quite VD you are never happy and a British fighter NEVER ever pleases. It wasnt his fault he had to fight him. He was suppose to fight Dennis Inkin, ranked number 2 in the world. But HE pussied out twice, so it wasnt his fault at all. Why did he look garbage may I ask? He clearly won every round and threw A LOT of hurtful shots and was clearly in command, how is that possible garbage, explain please?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Do you really think that telegraphed uppercut and that stalking your opponent with your hands down crap would work with a top level fighter? Seriously do you? He got away with it last night cuz he was fighting a 37 year old D level fighter. But he would never get away with that with a top level fighter. And you seriously got to know that.
But if you had heard what he said after the fight you would know that Carl was looking for a big knockout and didnt try and box the guy at all .He wanted to put on a show for the fans, not wait there and go 12 rounds with a big chin'd poll. You havent seen anything or him to be honest VD, you cant judge a few fights you may have seen, all of which ended in a Carl Froch KO as well. Calling him a fraud is just a dumbass thing to say to be honest. You just need to wait and see his next fight, he will be a world champion ;)
I seen 13 Fraud fights. That's more than enough to make an opinion on him. Is he talented? Yes he is. That's obvious. Can he be a title holder? Now a days he can be. Is he elite? No. Can he beat Kessler, Green, Calzaghe or Bute? No. He's not as good as them. It's that simple.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
Yeah I didn't see it. He was slower then ever, open and wiiide and he puts punches together absolutely awful. Honestly you can't convince me that his combos aren't garbage, he puts his punches together terrible and anyone with any sort of speed and not afraid of Froch is going to be able to hit him and it's not like it's hard to see his punches coming.
I would like to see Froch - Dirrell.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Violent Demise
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Tam Seddon
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Violent Demise
Do you really think that telegraphed uppercut and that stalking your opponent with your hands down crap would work with a top level fighter? Seriously do you? He got away with it last night cuz he was fighting a 37 year old D level fighter. But he would never get away with that with a top level fighter. And you seriously got to know that.
But if you had heard what he said after the fight you would know that Carl was looking for a big knockout and didnt try and box the guy at all .He wanted to put on a show for the fans, not wait there and go 12 rounds with a big chin'd poll. You havent seen anything or him to be honest VD, you cant judge a few fights you may have seen, all of which ended in a Carl Froch KO as well. Calling him a fraud is just a dumbass thing to say to be honest. You just need to wait and see his next fight, he will be a world champion ;)
I seen 13 Fraud fights. That's more than enough to make an opinion on him. Is he talented? Yes he is. That's obvious. Can he be a title holder? Now a days he can be. Is he elite? No. Can he beat Kessler, Green, Calzaghe or Bute? No. He's not as good as them. It's that simple.
But hes on the up and people like Kessler and Green are on the down. Bute isnt showing too many signs of fighting a top ten fighter either and isnt making any noises at 168. Kessler-Froch is very likely to happen and it will be a very good fight. A question VD, over these 13 fights, is carl getting better or not? Thats what I need to know...
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Yeah I didn't see it. He was slower then ever, open and wiiide and he puts punches together absolutely awful. Honestly you can't convince me that his combos aren't garbage, he puts his punches together terrible and anyone with any sort of speed and not afraid of Froch is going to be able to hit him and it's not like it's hard to see his punches coming.
I would like to see Froch - Dirrell.
Well you obviosuly havent watched a Froch fight in the last couple of years then...
Re: Froch impressed last night!
Actually I've seen about every Froch fight there has been over the last few years including last night but hey, whatever you want to believe is fine. If you really think Froch impressed last night and is ready for everybody in the division then I suggest watching the rest of the division.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Tam Seddon
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Kirkland Laing
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And Carl Froch didnt personally ring up Calzaghe and ask for a fight? He WANTS the JC fight more than anything! How much of a dumb post was that really. Have you even looked at the WBC top 15? there are a lot of fucking hard fighers in there and would test Froch. But can you not read, he was suppose to fight Dennis Inkin last night but he pulled out twice and then an Amercian pulled out. To even fight was good enough for froch to be honest.
He was given the opportunity to fight Calzaghe a year ago and bottled it. The phone call on ITV was just a bit of pr for Froch.
It's easy to look like Sugar Ray Robinson against fighters like that Polish guy. It's when you move up in class that you discover how good fighters are, and Froch hasn't fought anybody near world class yet. His last two fights were a club fighter and a porn star. Let's see how good he looks against a full-time world-class fighter in his prime. I think you're in for a bit of a shock when we do.
I think your in a bit of shock to be honest. If that was a carl froch barely trying last night, looking for one shot to end it, I cant wait to see a Froch being at his A game. He will up his game a lot against a better fighter and you know that for a fact. So you cant really say he would fight like that against a better fighter to be honest. He will feel a lot more pressure and we will see the best of Froch, he can only get better and he is doing that.
He didnt bottle the fight at all, he faught Peter Manfredo instead...
Froch was given the opportunity to fight Calzaghe and bottled it.
Because he's never fought anybody near wotld-class, we have no idea how he'll handle the pressure of fighting them and no idea if he'll be able to up his game. He may crumble completely, which is the impression I get from his interviews. I really feel that he doesn't believe in himself against top guys, which is why he's 31 and still hasn't stepped up and why he bottled the Calzaghe fight.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by
Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
He was given the opportunity to fight Calzaghe a year ago and bottled it. The phone call on ITV was just a bit of pr for Froch.
It's easy to look like Sugar Ray Robinson against fighters like that Polish guy. It's when you move up in class that you discover how good fighters are, and Froch hasn't fought anybody near world class yet. His last two fights were a club fighter and a porn star. Let's see how good he looks against a full-time world-class fighter in his prime. I think you're in for a bit of a shock when we do.
I think your in a bit of shock to be honest. If that was a carl froch barely trying last night, looking for one shot to end it, I cant wait to see a Froch being at his A game. He will up his game a lot against a better fighter and you know that for a fact. So you cant really say he would fight like that against a better fighter to be honest. He will feel a lot more pressure and we will see the best of Froch, he can only get better and he is doing that.
He didnt bottle the fight at all, he faught Peter Manfredo instead...
Froch was given the opportunity to fight Calzaghe and bottled it.
Because he's never fought anybody near wotld-class, we have no idea how he'll handle the pressure of fighting them and no idea if he'll be able to up his game. He may crumble completely, which is the impression I get from his interviews. I really feel that he doesn't believe in himself against top guys, which is why he's 31 and still hasn't stepped up and why he bottled the Calzaghe fight.
Can you not actually read or something? He was suppose to fight INKIN who PULLED OUT TWICE! he is top ten. BERRIO also didnt want anything to do with Froch either, who would have also been his hardest fight to date. He has been a pro for 5 years, he is getting a better record and pushing up against better fighters from now on. INKIN was the better fighter, can you not see this????? He is GOING to fight better fighters in a matter of time. Just wait.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Tam Seddon
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Violent Demise
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Tam Seddon
But if you had heard what he said after the fight you would know that Carl was looking for a big knockout and didnt try and box the guy at all .He wanted to put on a show for the fans, not wait there and go 12 rounds with a big chin'd poll. You havent seen anything or him to be honest VD, you cant judge a few fights you may have seen, all of which ended in a Carl Froch KO as well. Calling him a fraud is just a dumbass thing to say to be honest. You just need to wait and see his next fight, he will be a world champion ;)
I seen 13 Fraud fights. That's more than enough to make an opinion on him. Is he talented? Yes he is. That's obvious. Can he be a title holder? Now a days he can be. Is he elite? No. Can he beat Kessler, Green, Calzaghe or Bute? No. He's not as good as them. It's that simple.
But hes on the up and people like Kessler and Green are on the down. Bute isnt showing too many signs of fighting a top ten fighter either and isnt making any noises at 168. Kessler-Froch is very likely to happen and it will be a very good fight. A question VD, over these 13 fights, is carl getting better or not? Thats what I need to know...
He's 30 years old. He's as good as he's going to get.
Re: Froch impressed last night!
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Violent Demise
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Tam Seddon
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Violent Demise
I seen 13 Fraud fights. That's more than enough to make an opinion on him. Is he talented? Yes he is. That's obvious. Can he be a title holder? Now a days he can be. Is he elite? No. Can he beat Kessler, Green, Calzaghe or Bute? No. He's not as good as them. It's that simple.
But hes on the up and people like Kessler and Green are on the down. Bute isnt showing too many signs of fighting a top ten fighter either and isnt making any noises at 168. Kessler-Froch is very likely to happen and it will be a very good fight. A question VD, over these 13 fights, is carl getting better or not? Thats what I need to know...
He's 30 years old. He's as good as he's going to get.
Thats where your wrong though, hes getting better as hes getting older, with more experience and better opposition hes growing more complete. He would bang with anybody between 168-175 fact.
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It's not a division of bangers though.
Kessler, Bute, Taylor, Mundine and then down a bit, Miranda, Andrade, Dirrell, Ward, Pascal are all fighters who are much more complete and well rounded then Froch. In fact I'd take all of them over Froch and the only one I would give Froch any shot to beat is Pascal and I doubt that.
