Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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ICB
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hitmandonny
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ICB
Thats what i've been saying from day one everyone keeps saying Miranda will stop Abraham no question, but i totally disagree Abraham's jaw was basically hanging out so if Miranda couldn't stop Abraham when he was in that kind of condition, i can't really see him stopping Abraham this time.
You do realise that Abraham wanted to quit don't you?
And that the injury Miranda inflicted on Arthur would have resulted in an automatic stoppage in any other circumstances
But he didn't quit and he fought on like a true warrior, and lets remember how early that was in the fight. Miranda had about 7 and a half rounds to stop Abraham when he had broken jaw. But he couldn't do it so that just goes to show you how much will he has and how tough Abraham is. Im not saying Miranda won't win but i don't see him stopping iron chinned Abraham.
Actually he did quit. Then he was convinced to continue. The ref waived the fight off, Miranda started celebrating, then they changed it and kept fighting??? It was garbage. Miranda freakin stopped him once. Abraham kept fighting like one of those karate movies where the mob has his brother, girlfriend, or sensay, at gun point and will kill them if you don't win the fight. ;D
Not to downplay the physical sacrifice Abraham made, but he was forced to do it. He quit plain and simple. I am wondering if people forgot or just haven't seen the fight.....:confused:
That fight was fixed and Abraham got stopped. Anyone who thinks otherwise is full of.....:horseshit:
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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awdleyfuturehalloffamer
If abraham didn't have the broken jaw he would have wiped the floor with miranda. Abraham's punches were having more effect than miranda's punces. I say abraham by brutal ko.
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If Miranda didn't punch Abraham in the jaw he wouldn't have gotten a broken jaw. Seriously think about what you said.....
Abrahams punches had more effect??? Who went to the hospital?? Did Miranda kick him or something? If Abrahams punches were having more effect why didn't Miranda have a MORE broken jaw???
;D
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
I wasn't talking about the broken jaw. I was talking body language. When Abraham landed he hurt Miranda a lot of the time. Even with the broken jaw. Obviously the punch that caused the broken jaw was effective. Either of these guys could knock each other out, but i have to give it to Abraham because by the looks of how Miranda reacted to being hit.
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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ICB
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hitmandonny
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ICB
Thats what i've been saying from day one everyone keeps saying Miranda will stop Abraham no question, but i totally disagree Abraham's jaw was basically hanging out so if Miranda couldn't stop Abraham when he was in that kind of condition, i can't really see him stopping Abraham this time.
You do realise that Abraham wanted to quit don't you?
And that the injury Miranda inflicted on Arthur would have resulted in an automatic stoppage in any other circumstances
But he didn't quit and he fought on like a true warrior, and lets remember how early that was in the fight. Miranda had about 7 and a half rounds to stop Abraham when he had broken jaw. But he couldn't do it so that just goes to show you how much will he has and how tough Abraham is. Im not saying Miranda won't win but i don't see him stopping iron chinned Abraham.
Abraham quit, he was forced to continue and forced from his corner.
The referee was also stopping the fight but ringside officials interjected
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
Frietas should fight in Germany.
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
Miranda kinda did get screwed over the first fight. I mean he was celebrating the win, then saw it snatched away from him while he had to wait almost 7 minutes for the fight to continue. He had to see the fishiness going on and it had to play on his mind and effect his game for the rest of the fight.
From what i am guessing, at first they seemed cool with the stoppage as they tried to contribute the broken jaw to the headbutt, that would have dq'd Miranda or at least get enough points taken away to secure it if it had to go to the scorecards. The ref said the Jaw injury was from a punch, so if they stopped it, it had to be called a TKO for Miranda. So they made him wait, and wait, got the ref to jack away more points and then made Abraham continue.
Very Shady stuff indeed. I think this is why Abraham is fighting Miranda again over here. He is a fighter himself and has a lot of pride. He knew what took place and wants to settle it properly this time around.
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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boozeboxer
Frietas should fight in Germany.
Didn't get what you meant at first but now i do :lolhaha: nice witty joke some good rep for that.
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
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Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
Most of the time punches have got suspect chins or weak chins, Thomas Hearns, Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, etc. Theres only ever been a few punches that have strong chins, Gerald McClellan, Mike Tyson, come to mind.
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
That is exactly what makes him exciting. He goes in there to war it up and let the chips fall. His fight with Kelly was a classic and he fought his heart out until he had absolutely nothing left.
He is cut from the same cloth as guys like Arturo Gatti. Always willing to give it his all. Abraham is doing the exact same thing. Both these guys deserve a shitload of credit as a win does not really help the winner. Abraham does not need this fight as he would be able to fight Pavlik regardless. Miranda does not need this fight because if he does win, he will still be a guy looking for a dance partner at 168.
This is a fight for pride more than anything. It is a risky venture for both without the offer of much reward.
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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Deanrw
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
That is exactly what makes him exciting. He goes in there to war it up and let the chips fall. His fight with Kelly was a classic and he fought his heart out until he had absolutely nothing left.
He is cut from the same cloth as guys like Arturo Gatti. Always willing to give it his all. Abraham is doing the exact same thing. Both these guys deserve a shitload of credit as a win does not really help the winner. Abraham does not need this fight as he would be able to fight Pavlik regardless. Miranda does not need this fight because if he does win, he will still be a guy looking for a dance partner at 168.
This is a fight for pride more than anything.
See i said the very same thing about mayorga 2-3 years back.
When the guy is throwing he is unbelievably strong and has that predatory instinct to potentially become a great fighter.
But with that stance and that style your always opening yourself up to get hurt, mayorga is often like a sitting duck just waiting to get punched so he can throw back at you.
All im saying is that edison is always gonna struggle against natural counter punchers and will eventually come to a point in his career where to be the best he probably will need to change tactics!!
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
Bullshit he has a dodgy chin... He went toe to toe with Kelly Pavlik in a knock out drag out fight that left them both with facial damage even though he got TKO he wasnt sparked out by no means...
Where else has his chin put him in danger of losing a fight, Arthur hit him with plenty of Flush power punches the 1st fight and it didnt faze him......
This coming from a guy who says Hatton would buzz thru Coralles, siting the fact that Coralles lost to a guy that he never heard of (Joshua Clottey) though he neglected the fact that Clottey is a natural solid Welterweight with better than average powerand decent handspeed that could fight Junior Middleweight easily, and while Coralles is a natural 130lb fighter weighed in on fight night around the Welter limit Clottey hydrated up to 160:o So for a Box Rec commando I dont put to much onus on his ridiculous comments of late:rolleyes:
Miranda is far more skilled technically than Mayorga and there stances are NOTHING ALIKE, and is far from a sitting duck waiting to get hit so he can throw back, Seriously dude if you dont know anything about Miranda than you really shouldnt comment, since you look quite foolish to the ones that know the deal
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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boozeboxer
Frietas should fight in Germany.
Great laugh!
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ICB
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
Most of the time punches have got suspect chins or weak chins, Thomas Hearns, Nigel Benn, Julian Jackson, etc. Theres only ever been a few punches that have strong chins, Gerald McClellan, Mike Tyson, come to mind.
G-Man had a good chin when he was hit. Ask Julian Jackson!
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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JT Rock
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
Bullshit he has a dodgy chin... He went toe to toe with Kelly Pavlik in a knock out drag out fight that left them both with facial damage even though he got TKO he wasnt sparked out by no means...
Where else has his chin put him in danger......
This coming from a guy who says Hatton would buzz thru Coralles, siting the fact that Coralles lost to a guy that he never heard of (Joshua Clottey) though he neglected the fact that Clottey is a natural solid Welterweight with better than average powerand decent handspeed that could fight Junior Middleweight easily, and while Coralles is a natural 130lb fighter weighed in on fight night around the Welter limit Clottey hydrated up to 160:o So for a Box Rec commando I dont put to much onus on his ridiculous comments of late:rolleyes:
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`ark at her!!!
time of the month is it sweetheart???
Re: Miranda: "This Time I'm Knocking Abraham Out"
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hattonthehammer
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Deanrw
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hattonthehammer
why the f**k are there so many Edison Miranda fans on here??
Yes the guy is an amazing puncher who on his day can knock anyone out..
But its quite clear that the guy has a decidedly dodgy chin!!
:kick::kick:
That is exactly what makes him exciting. He goes in there to war it up and let the chips fall. His fight with Kelly was a classic and he fought his heart out until he had absolutely nothing left.
He is cut from the same cloth as guys like Arturo Gatti. Always willing to give it his all. Abraham is doing the exact same thing. Both these guys deserve a shitload of credit as a win does not really help the winner. Abraham does not need this fight as he would be able to fight Pavlik regardless. Miranda does not need this fight because if he does win, he will still be a guy looking for a dance partner at 168.
This is a fight for pride more than anything.
See i said the very same thing about mayorga 2-3 years back.
When the guy is throwing he is unbelievably strong and has that predatory instinct to potentially become a great fighter.
But with that stance and that style your always opening yourself up to get hurt, mayorga is often like a sitting duck just waiting to get punched so he can throw back at you.
All im saying is that edison is always gonna struggle against natural counter punchers and will eventually come to a point in his career where to be the best he probably will need to change tactics!!
All of us know Miranda is not a great fighter in the sense of the word. He may never win a championship. He could go after a strap and get one, but he always wants the top dog. He is a throwback fighter though and he has a huge pride thing going on. He wants to fight everyone just because. He goes in there to try to take his opponents head off and if it turns out to be his own, he picks himself up, brushes himself off and does it all over again.
With all these fights that do not take place these days, seeing fighters b*tch and whine about money. See them taking easier fights just so they can position themselves to some meaningless strap someone calls a title, or watch them overprice themselves so they do not have to fight as they want to play the part of a diva. This all makes guys like Miranda sparkle like gold in my eyes. he is the type of guy that will fight absolutely anyone, but still has a hell of a hard time finding people to fight.
