Boxing Against a Random Thrower (More Detailed Question Inside)

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Originally Posted by Bomp

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

That I know. The Muay Thai guys are conditioned incredibly well. I've watch their workouts, and they are tough SOB's. They're conditioning routine is brutal.

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I did it a bit,my shins are still a scar from knee down. I mean it just tears you the bad word up

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I am curious about Muay thai, though I hate a knock on a shin. Was wondering if your shins get used to it, and if the bones actually get tougher after practicing it for a while?

On a related note, what are your guys opinions on the benefits of doing a little kickboxing or Muay Thai to complement boxing? Does the act of repeatedly kicking a heavy bag (with proper form, not wellying it like a football) help develope leg strength and balance?

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I know nothing of Muay Thai or kick boxing. What I do know is this. Most everyone at my club are ex MMA. They now focus specifically on boxing, and brought a set of skills with them that I believe started them off way ahead of others. Some of them have incredible hand speed.

I think it probably helps having some background in some combat sport for anything, to lead into another.

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

Maybe Gally's parets are drunks and hate him. ;D


seriously, as mich as boxing is a great first line of defense, there are other things you can do/learn in the meantime until you get wheel.

muay thai, judo, and brazilian jui jitsu are great options. Even gecco roman wrestling is a great combat sport to learn and any of these will compliment boing skills quite nicely....which you can pick up later.

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It's a hell of a lot faster to become effective with Bjj or Muay Thai than it is with boxing.

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How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

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Well you're learning to throw elbows and knees correctly so automatically, theres a big advantage (from a street point of view.)
Muay Thai requires big fitness, brute force and determination, its a great regime.

BJJ....what can I say? Anyone gets on the ground with an expiereinced BJJ practiocioner and you'll get broken up.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

It's a hell of a lot faster to become effective with Bjj or Muay Thai than it is with boxing.

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How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

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Well you're learning to throw elbows and knees correctly so automatically, theres a big advantage (from a street point of view.)
Muay Thai requires big fitness, brute force and determination, its a great regime.

BJJ....what can I say? Anyone gets on the ground with an expiereinced BJJ practiocioner and you'll get broken up.

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Cha bra,you dont get your head around the shins and the elbows,your getting thrashed

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by RozzySean

How much Muay Thai does it take, do you think, to get effective with the basics? Since my boxing gym is attached to a Muay Thai gym and I can take those classes anytime, I've considered giving it a try, but I didn't want to mix up my techniques at this point in my learning. Not that I'm particularly concerned with street fighting and self-defense, but I'm kinda curious. They even offer BJJ once per week, but I haven't gotten around to giving it a try.

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Well you're learning to throw elbows and knees correctly so automatically, theres a big advantage (from a street point of view.)
Muay Thai requires big fitness, brute force and determination, its a great regime.

BJJ....what can I say? Anyone gets on the ground with an expiereinced BJJ practiocioner and you'll get broken up.

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Cha bra,you dont get your head around the shins and the elbows,your getting thrashed

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For real....
The whole kicking and kneeing thing, its not for me, I'm a boxer, my job is to keep myself away from as much damage as possible.
You see how short their careers are?
DFone by 25!

Not for me, I'll just use the ring and my hands and be happy with my joints at 30.

No fragging kidding,I tried it for a little bit,and my left shin is best described as a collection of scar tissue.At least it was long enough ago,theyre starting to fade,and I can grow hair on it again

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

No fragging kidding,I tried it for a little bit,and my left shin is best described as a collection of scar tissue.At least it was long enough ago,theyre starting to fade,and I can grow hair on it again

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Yeah it's pretty brutal.

I find when I spar Thai boxers, they're devoid of any tact or strategy also.
They're just programmed to destroy, or get destroyed themselves

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

I did muay thai for 4 years after doing TKD and i can say that the kicks are good just for the damage they can cause and distance they can keep you at, ive won many street fights when i was at school with just a foot jab and a roundhouse to the ribs, now im older i think i would also opt to remain on 2 feet in a fight but my earlier years were all about kicks, the elbows are good but like people have mentioned you gotta be up close so that means save them for after a clinch but to be honest after youve done with someone in a clinch there is no need for an elbow on the way out, you will build up the density of the bones in your shins if you start out hitting something hard but soft, basically something that is hard but will still conform to the shape of your shin rather than vice versa lol, like a heavy bag is perfect to start hardening your shins, and no matter what anyone says you will always feel pain in your shins there is no such thing as conditioning that will stop youfrom feeling pain, there is just the mindset that both fighters are in which is even if they are going to have the best fight of their life and destroy their opponent its gonna hurt a hell of a lot to do it and youve just gotta accept it, thats the reason i liked thaiboxing despite lack of tactics, its the self disciplin involved in fighting full muay thai

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Originally Posted by jahmez

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

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Jst revisiting this thread for the first time in a long while...
Since I've done a lot of BJJ and if I were to select one discipline to protect myself with BJJ would be it. Boxing is lethal, but if I were jumped it'd be BJJ I'd use to get out of the situation. Using boxing would just get you in trouble!

Boxing gets me out of trouble. I don't dance around and throw jabs though ;)

I'm a Muay Thai practitioner interested who has started lurking in these forums precisely because I have found that western Boxing has much more to offer in the way of articulated tactics and strategy than western Muay Thai. Personally, my hands are pretty crappy, I rely on me legs and clinchwork.

If I were to pick an art for self-defense though, it would be Judo for the ability to put assailants on the ground quickly while remaining upright. A hard throw onto an everday surface will probably be enough to take the aggression out of many unarmed attackers.

BJJ is good to know supposing you do end up on the ground, but in a self-defense situation that is probably not where one wants to be.

Boxing is probably great for SD in terms of evading wild blows, and the ability to land body shots, but throwing bare fists to someone elses face is a good way to injure your hands.

true but if you train properly you can strengthen the tendons ligaments and muscles of the hand, the rest comes back to disciplin why throw a sledge hammer at it when a hammer will do the trick, a fast jab is enough to take most people out when there are no gloves involved i wouldnt bother with a right hand.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

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Originally Posted by jahmez

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

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Jst revisiting this thread for the first time in a long while...
Since I've done a lot of BJJ and if I were to select one discipline to protect myself with BJJ would be it. Boxing is lethal, but if I were jumped it'd be BJJ I'd use to get out of the situation. Using boxing would just get you in trouble!

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I can agree, i work doors on a weekend and most of the fights i see are more than one person vs one, its rare that 2 people have an altercation and no one else jumps in, i think the alcohol makes everybody a bit more emotional so even lads that wouldnt normaly fight end up fighting to help their friends and in such situations taking things to the ground would probably be to your demise, getting close to a strong person doesnt bother me really because the thai clinch is designed to control the head and ive yet to meet any strong guy who is still strong when youre controling his balance, often if i have the opertunity to grab someone from behind i will lift their chin with my right hand pull their head back onto my right shoulder and tie up their left arm with my left arm, once youve got them on your right shoulder you can walk them out of the bar backwards, the reall drunk ones dont even need to tie up their left hand u can tuck your shirt in on the way out instead, but anyway my theory is practice every area because every fight is a different situation and you never know what situation you will find your having to defend yourself, over christmas i had an idiot rugby player on my street getting out of his car and calling me out over my driving and the floor was covered in ice in such a case bjj would be the winner, dirty fighters,ive had lads come into a place im working and hit a lad im working with over the head with a policemans cosh, after that i found myself figuring out a few things with a bar stool lol.

I have just returned from 3 months in asia and while i was in thailand i attended a few muay thai fight nights, i have seen quiet a few muay thai fights here in aus too as my inlaws brother is a very talented muay thai fighter.
But watching the thai's go about there business in the ring is an awesome sight to see, they are so confident, relaxed and down right brutal once in the ring they are on a total differant level to 95% of western muay thai fighters.

So i wouldnt judge the advantages/disadvantages of muay thai by watching western fights.

The ol' 1-2 always works for me in street fights. Devastating against "tough" guys throwing slow motion wild right slaps.