Calzaghe dismisses Pavlik fight!

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by miles

Im dissapointed that Calzaghe doesnt want to try and go out with a bang. Beating the young and powerful Pavlik would be the ultimate seal on his career. Outoworking an old Jones Jr who has been nailed repeatedly in recent years would be a let down.

Im not impressed by this.

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I agree with you mate, I want to see Calzaghe fight Pav, I would not mind if he lost either because I think Pavlik is great for the sport and I love watching him fight.

Joe has taken risks in his last few fights (which is what everyone wanted afterall) so I don't think he deserves a bashing in this instance, thats all.

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Its the final time. I dont think Hopkins was a risk fight really. Kessler was a risk though. Its the last time ever....go out with a bang and go down fighting if it need be. Thats what I would like to see Joe doing.

Fighting Jones Jr. is pointless. Jones is a legend but lost as many as he has won in recent years and lost them more decisively.

To beat Pavlik at this stage in his career would be very special.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

It's obvious Pavlik's massacre of Lockett made Calzaghe think twice.

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Lockett is a decent fighter (not on Pavliks level but he is a tough guy) but yeah, if I was Joe at his stage of his career I would think twice too. If i was in Joe's shoes I would fight Pavlik, but in this day and age, for some stupid reason, fighters with unbeaten records are more important. Which is bullshit and ruins boxing

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

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Bilbo gets it right here.

Pavlik in the States even wouldn't be PPV either, so from a money/legacy point of view Jones is the best option. Plus it's an easier night's work although I don't think Pavlik would beat Joe, definitely not a prime Joe with two good hands.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

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Bilbo, what are you on about now ? ;D Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again :confused: You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by miles

Im dissapointed that Calzaghe doesnt want to try and go out with a bang. Beating the young and powerful Pavlik would be the ultimate seal on his career. Outoworking an old Jones Jr who has been nailed repeatedly in recent years would be a let down.

Im not impressed by this.

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I agree with you mate, I want to see Calzaghe fight Pav, I would not mind if he lost either because I think Pavlik is great for the sport and I love watching him fight.

Joe has taken risks in his last few fights (which is what everyone wanted afterall) so I don't think he deserves a bashing in this instance, thats all.

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Its the final time. I dont think Hopkins was a risk fight really. Kessler was a risk though. Its the last time ever....go out with a bang and go down fighting if it need be. Thats what I would like to see Joe doing.

Fighting Jones Jr. is pointless. Jones is a legend but lost as many as he has won in recent years and lost them more decisively.

To beat Pavlik at this stage in his career would be very special.

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Yeah I agree thats why I want Joe to fight Pavlic bud ;)

I translated all that to mean, pavlik hits way to hard and is too big of a risk at this point in my career. Not sure if i can blame him, win or loose seems like a night with pavlik would be way tougher than jones right now.

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Originally Posted by Mar

I translated all that to mean, pavlik hits way to hard and is too big of a risk at this point in my career. Not sure if i can blame him, win or loose seems like a night with pavlik would be way tougher than jones right now.

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All the more reason for taking it, I would give Joe way more credit for losing againsed Pavlik than winning againsed Jones.

i agree most of us would. I just think joe see's a big name guy closer to his own age not quite the fighter he was it's just a safe fight that will make him some much deserved bank that just screws us the fans out of the best fight available. But like i said i can't really really blame him. I just wish he would have done all this fight the states best stuff years ago.

Quote from Rocky Balboa-

"Everybody nowadays think they have a god damned legacy..."

Joe won't have to worry about that.

He can just buzzsaw throught the weak/old/shopworn opposision.

in 50 years you won't even hear his name.

Retire.

I've said right from the beginning of this rumored Calzaghe/Pavlik fight that it would never happen. Enzo would never let it happen. And I stated right from the beginning that it was the right thing to do. RJJ is the right fight for Joe. Or someone similar. But the only one deluded here with this statement is Calzaghe. Is it really necessary for him to slag on Pavlik and his lack of readiness to fight him as the reason? Not at all. I think most fans would understand and except for many reasons.

I wouldn't be calling him a chicken shit if he didn't think it was somehow important to dog on another fighter who has a ton of class, and skill...to make an excuse for not making the fight. What a bullshit chicken ass statement. He didn't need to say anything, just..."I'm fighting RJJ, come watch." And it would be good. Yea, I did respect him, but now I''m starting to think him a chicken ass. It sounds like the kinda justification dick sucking of Margo that Citron did to explain his ass whooping. How Cotto would lose. Only diff. here is, Joe is blowing himself as an excuse.

Calzaghe has wanted Jones ever since he beat Hopkins.

A pavlik fight can wait.

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Originally Posted by ds91

Calzaghe has wanted Jones ever since he beat Hopkins.

A pavlik fight can wait.

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Its the last fight. Its quite obvious.

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Originally Posted by ds91

Calzaghe has wanted Jones ever since he beat Hopkins.

A pavlik fight can wait.

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Nice gimp sig

I told you Joe was a smart fighter ;D

If I were him Id go for Jones too .

Honestly...being a fan of both fighters...I just don't want to see this one come off.

I'm actually a bit excited about Joe facing Roy.

Pavlik's a tuff nut to crack & all that...but Joe's got too much experience, speed, & volume for Kelly, IWHO.