Calzaghe dismisses Pavlik fight!

[Gandalf]

Im dissapointed that Calzaghe doesnt want to try and go out with a bang. Beating the young and powerful Pavlik would be the ultimate seal on his career. Outoworking an old Jones Jr who has been nailed repeatedly in recent years would be a let down.

Im not impressed by this.

[Kel]

Im dissapointed that Calzaghe doesnt want to try and go out with a bang. Beating the young and powerful Pavlik would be the ultimate seal on his career. Outoworking an old Jones Jr who has been nailed repeatedly in recent years would be a let down.

Im not impressed by this.

I agree with you mate, I want to see Calzaghe fight Pav, I would not mind if he lost either because I think Pavlik is great for the sport and I love watching him fight.

Joe has taken risks in his last few fights (which is what everyone wanted afterall) so I don't think he deserves a bashing in this instance, thats all.

[Gandalf]

Im dissapointed that Calzaghe doesnt want to try and go out with a bang. Beating the young and powerful Pavlik would be the ultimate seal on his career. Outoworking an old Jones Jr who has been nailed repeatedly in recent years would be a let down.

Im not impressed by this.

I agree with you mate, I want to see Calzaghe fight Pav, I would not mind if he lost either because I think Pavlik is great for the sport and I love watching him fight.

Joe has taken risks in his last few fights (which is what everyone wanted afterall) so I don't think he deserves a bashing in this instance, thats all.

Its the final time. I dont think Hopkins was a risk fight really. Kessler was a risk though. Its the last time ever....go out with a bang and go down fighting if it need be. Thats what I would like to see Joe doing.

Fighting Jones Jr. is pointless. Jones is a legend but lost as many as he has won in recent years and lost them more decisively.

To beat Pavlik at this stage in his career would be very special.

[Kel]

Im dissapointed that Calzaghe doesnt want to try and go out with a bang. Beating the young and powerful Pavlik would be the ultimate seal on his career. Outoworking an old Jones Jr who has been nailed repeatedly in recent years would be a let down.

Im not impressed by this.

I agree with you mate, I want to see Calzaghe fight Pav, I would not mind if he lost either because I think Pavlik is great for the sport and I love watching him fight.

Joe has taken risks in his last few fights (which is what everyone wanted afterall) so I don't think he deserves a bashing in this instance, thats all.

Its the final time. I dont think Hopkins was a risk fight really. Kessler was a risk though. Its the last time ever....go out with a bang and go down fighting if it need be. Thats what I would like to see Joe doing.

Fighting Jones Jr. is pointless. Jones is a legend but lost as many as he has won in recent years and lost them more decisively.

To beat Pavlik at this stage in his career would be very special.

Yeah I agree thats why I want Joe to fight Pavlic bud

[Mar]

I translated all that to mean, pavlik hits way to hard and is too big of a risk at this point in my career. Not sure if i can blame him, win or loose seems like a night with pavlik would be way tougher than jones right now.

[Kel]

I translated all that to mean, pavlik hits way to hard and is too big of a risk at this point in my career. Not sure if i can blame him, win or loose seems like a night with pavlik would be way tougher than jones right now.

All the more reason for taking it, I would give Joe way more credit for losing againsed Pavlik than winning againsed Jones.

[Mar]

i agree most of us would. I just think joe see's a big name guy closer to his own age not quite the fighter he was it's just a safe fight that will make him some much deserved bank that just screws us the fans out of the best fight available. But like i said i can't really really blame him. I just wish he would have done all this fight the states best stuff years ago.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Quote from Rocky Balboa-

"Everybody nowadays think they have a god damned legacy..."

Joe won't have to worry about that.

He can just buzzsaw throught the weak/old/shopworn opposision.

in 50 years you won't even hear his name.

Retire.

[Kev]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

[Kirkland Laing]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo gets it right here.

Pavlik in the States even wouldn't be PPV either, so from a money/legacy point of view Jones is the best option. Plus it's an easier night's work although I don't think Pavlik would beat Joe, definitely not a prime Joe with two good hands.

[OumaFan]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

[Kev]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.

In the long run that IS what people will remember most.

Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.

How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?

How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?

When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.

Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.

Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.

What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?

So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.

To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.

As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.

Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.

Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.

Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.

Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.

That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.

If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.

Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.

Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?

Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?

Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.

I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.

In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.

[Phil]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.

In the long run that IS what people will remember most.

Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.

How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?

How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?

When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.

Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.

Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.

What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?

So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.

To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.

As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.

Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.

Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.

Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.

Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.

That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.

If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.

Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.

Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?

Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?

Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.

I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.

In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.

another great post Bilbo, owe u rep when can

[OumaFan]

From a legacy point of view of course Calzaghe wants to face Roy Jones.

If he fights and beats him then he's beaten America's best fighter of the past 20 years in Jones, and the most dominant in Hopkins.

You guys who say that Pavlik would be a bigger fight or a better name on his resume are deluded.

The only way Pavlik would be a big name is if he BEAT Joe.

If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory.

People have already dismissed his wins over Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins so why would it be any different if he beat Pavlik?

Like everyone here I'd love to see the fight, but clearly it makes far more sense for Joe to fight the biggest superstar in boxing of the past 20 years even if he is past his best.

Jones is a first ballot hall of famer, a boxing legend and a name that is guaranteed to go down in history.

Pavlik, if he lost to Calzaghe, would merely have been a belt holder.

It's a no brainer for Joe.

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.

In the long run that IS what people will remember most.

Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.

How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?

How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?

When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.

Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.

Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.

What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?

So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.

To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.

As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.

Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.

Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.

Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.

Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.

That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.

If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.

Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.

Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?

Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?

Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.

I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.

In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.

Maybe I should just never argue with you because if I do I'm forced to read your ridiculously long posts, I just don't have the attention span.

I don't agree with most of your examples. Randy Turpin beat SRR but that wasn't a shot SRR. Nobody cares that Joey Archer beat SRR in his last fight, it wasn't the same SRR just like it wouldn't be the same Roy. How many of us would even know Joey Archer's name if it wasn't for going through SRR's record on boxrec? Iran Barkley didn't beat a shot Hearns. And I have no idea where you're going with the Camacho reference, the SRL win did not make him famous. Berbick was more famous just for the Tyson loss as people know the win over Ali didn't really matter.

Also I guess were talking about two things, being known to the public and having a legacy boxing wise. Lennox (although he was already known) fighting Tyson may have done something for his exposure but it won't make a difference to people when they rate him as a heavyweight. Just like twenty years from now people will just say that Calzaghe beat a shot Roy when he could have been fighting a prime fighter in Pavlik. It won't kill his legacy since he's already got one but it won't help.

As far as getting him more exposure, maybe so. I don't know how much exposure it will get him in Britain as I don't live there and don't know how famous he is already. In America, I doubt it will make that much of a difference. Joe's come on to late and he'll never be a big name here. Also Roy isn't the Roy of 4 years ago as a fighter or a name, Floyd's the name now, hell most people haven't even seen Roy's last two fights. He's off the radar now, I'm not saying his name recognition won't help sell the fight a bit but its light years apart from say Tyson fighting Lewis. Can't be compared.

I could say more but that's a ridiculously long post as it is, even longer than yours that I was complaining about.

[Youngblood]

Bilbo, what are you on about now ? Seriously.

Legacy wise a win would have been huge over Jones if he actually had any legs and didn't look almost completely shot. I don't know, maybe there are some who will still think this would be some kind of big win. The fact that pretty much everyone here accepts that Pavlik would be a tougher fight says something though.

But the bigger problem with this post is you act like Pavlik is going to retire after the Calzaghe fight.

"If Calzaghe fights Pavlik and wins, then all Pavlik did was beat Taylor and defend against a nobody in Gary Lockett. His legacy won't be that impressive in hindsight so Calzaghe won't gain much from the victory."

Is he never going to fight again You have no idea what Pavlik will accomplish after the Calzaghe fight. He may go on to have a few more good/great wins and legacy wise it will have just been that he lost to a better more experienced fighter in Calzaghe. And Calzaghe will be seen as having a very good win at the end of his career over a young, stong, prime fighter. Or maybe not, the point is you and I have no idea what Pavlik is going to do so to say that Calzaghe would have beat a guy who only beat Taylor is bizarre.

And the win over Lacy has been diminished because for one it was just such a mismatch (not the case with Kessler and Hopkins and hence they haven't been diminished as much) and two Lacy has looked horrible his last two fights against lesser opposition, give or take a shoulder problem.

What I'm saying is that Calzaghe, in wanting to fight Jones Jr is trying to cement his legacy with a win over a a proven Hall of Famer.

In the long run that IS what people will remember most.

Look at Lennox Lewis, his most famous wins are against past their primes Tyson and Holyfield. Aside from that he's famous for his two losses.

How many people remember Roberto Duran for his fine win over the unbeaten world champ Davy Moore?

How many people remember Trevor Berbick for anything other than his wins over Ali and his loss to Tyson?

When people think of Michael Spinks what do they think of? My guess is his distruction at the hands of Tyson and American fans will also remember his wins over Larry Holmes.

Beating an all time great DOES make your resume, whether the opponent is past his best or not.

Jones Jr was the undisputed best fighter on the planet for many years. He was a boxing superstar and is an absolute legend of the sport.

What fighter in the world wouldn't want to have his name on their resume?

So what that he's past his best he's still by far the biggest name in boxing from 160 to heavyweight.

To suggest that Calzaghe would benefit more from a fight with Pavlik is just absurd.

As has already been mentioned a fight with Pavlik couldn't even be sold as a PPV. A Jones Jr fight would be far bigger. It would make Calzahge more money. It would be the biggest fight on his resume by far.

Like you, I'd rather see him fight Pavlik, I think it would be a more competitive fight and more meaningful to the boxing situation right now, but if I was in Calzaghe's shoes without hesitation I'd want Roy Jones.

Pavlik thus far hasn't done anything. He's beaten Jermain Taylor twice but he's nowhere near being a Hall of Famer just yet. If Calzaghe beat him, and then he lost his next fight, then he was just a belt holder, yesterdays news.

Let me ask you this, should Calzaghe fight Jermain Taylor? Would that be a huge legacy defining win? We both know the answer is no. Taylor has been defeated twice by Pavlik, once by knockout and so is no longer considered the future of the middleweight division. A win over him wouldn't matter that much.

Well, if Calzaghe fought and defeated Pavlik, the situation would be no different. Pavlik's status would be restrospectively downgraded and people would just say he was a technically limited fighter.

That's why every fighter likes to fight a legend. A legend can't be 'exposed', they can't have their past exploits and glories erased, they have already achieved. They have already proven themselves and so a win over any of them is a big deal.

If Calzaghe beats Jones Jr it's in the history books, whether he was past his best or not.

Look through past history, the only names that stick in your memory regarding any fighter are their wins over big stars.

Who remembers Randy Turpin for something other than his win over Robinson?

Who rememebers Hector Camacho for something other than his win over Ray Leonard?

Iran Barkely is famous for his win over Hearns and loss to Duran.

I'm not talking about hardcore fans here, I'm talking about the general sporting fan's consciousness.

In the final analysis Calzaghe would be remembered MUCH MUCH MUCH more for a win over Roy Jones Jr than he would ove Kelly Pavlik.

Maybe I should just never argue with you because if I do I'm forced to read your ridiculously long posts, I just don't have the attention span.

I don't agree with most of your examples. Randy Turpin beat SRR but that wasn't a shot SRR. Nobody cares that Joey Archer beat SRR in his last fight, it wasn't the same SRR just like it wouldn't be the same Roy. How many of us would even know Joey Archer's name if it wasn't for going through SRR's record on boxrec? Iran Barkley didn't beat a shot Hearns. And I have no idea where you're going with the Camacho reference, the SRL win did not make him famous. Berbick was more famous just for the Tyson loss as people know the win over Ali didn't really matter.

Also I guess were talking about two things, being known to the public and having a legacy boxing wise. Lennox (although he was already known) fighting Tyson may have done something for his exposure but it won't make a difference to people when they rate him as a heavyweight. Just like twenty years from now people will just say that Calzaghe beat a shot Roy when he could have been fighting a prime fighter in Pavlik. It won't kill his legacy since he's already got one but it won't help.

As far as getting him more exposure, maybe so. I don't know how much exposure it will get him in Britain as I don't live there and don't know how famous he is already. In America, I doubt it will make that much of a difference. Joe's come on to late and he'll never be a big name here. Also Roy isn't the Roy of 4 years ago as a fighter or a name, Floyd's the name now, hell most people haven't even seen Roy's last two fights. He's off the radar now, I'm not saying his name recognition won't help sell the fight a bit but its light years apart from say Tyson fighting Lewis. Can't be compared.

I could say more but that's a ridiculously long post as it is, even longer than yours that I was complaining about.

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