Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
Okey dokey...here goes.
For the better years of my die hard arm chair devotion to the sport I have followed & admired Roy Jones jr & Joe Calzaghe. I salivated at the possibilities of a Calzaghe Jones bout or Calzaghe Hopkins.
I got one of those...& I have a feeling that I'll be gettin the other one just around the corner.
While I have no complaints with that...I can honestly say that I do not want to see Pavlik face Calzaghe. Joe, IWHO, would make Kelly look a bit foolish. I like Pavlik...always have & always will...but Joe's the superior boxer here. He proved that against Kessler, Lacy, & Hopkins of late & he's been proving it for the better part of the past decade.
It's easy for everyone to hate on Joe because most have been discounting him for years & years & years...& now that Joe's finally come stateside...well...many of my fellow Yanks have had to eat their words.
Oh well.
Roy has had a career resurgence...no if's, ands, or buts about it. He came back from two devastating losses...knockout losses...& in the end...if you want to bitch & piss & moan about Joe & his choice of opponents...you should turn the cheek.
Roy's a lot more reputable opponent than Lockett...no matter what anyone says.
If Kelly Pavlik can have a pass over...why can't Joe?
Seriously.
That being said...Roy's no pass over & the fight might surprise some of you. I don't expect Roy to just lay down for Joe. Roy could shock the world...& there aint shit wrong with that.
As I said...a lot of this has to do with some ridiculous critique of Calzaghe. It just get's tiring.
Calzaghe beat Lacy, Kessler, & Hopkins.
Pavlik beat Taylor twice, Miranda, & Lockett.
Apples to apples...well...you keep spoon feeding yourselves all this biased bullshit you'll start tasting sour grapes.
Joe Calzaghe has earned his rights to be respected & he's paid his dues. Pavlik still has some ways to go. Again, I love Pavlik...but I have to agree with one thing that Enzo said...he's still got work to do.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
What I cant understand is, at what point did fatha and son Calzaghe decide Pavlik wasnt deserving of a fight?
Joe certainly thought Pavlik was the ideal fight at one time because he publicly stated he wanted to fight Pavlik once he beat Hopkins.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
I felt a whole lot happier when i realised that once Joe has retired we wont have to hear from Enzo again. Mainly cos all his other fighters suck.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
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Lets get this straight Calzaghe is not afraid of Kelly Pavlik, Jeff Lacy was just as hyped and a genuine 168lb fighter.
He is just being greedy.
True Lacy was overhyped, but Pavlik beating a top guy in Taylor twice and destroying everyone else he has met points to the fact he is more substance than hype.
We didnt know that about Lacy until 1minute into the Calzaghe fight.
Just cast your mind back Lacy was an animal and huge favorate.
I never bought into Lacy hype anyone who studied his career before the Calzaghe fight would of known he wasn't half what they was hyping him as, just check out his fights with Sheika, Vanderpool.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
There are multiple quotes from Joe for the past year saying he would rather fight Pavlik than Jones. He was saying all along how a Pavlik fight would be a huge fight. He even said he would move down to 168 to do it.
I think his struggle with B-Hop and Kelly's absolute destruction of his stablemate, changed his mind. He knows Pavlik is on the rise still and very hungry. Pavlik simply chops guys down and cannot be discouraged in the ring. That is not a good scenario for a guy on 36 year old legs.
So many claim Pavlik is "One Dimensional". I personally see much much more than that. Nothing fancy, but brutally effective.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
Move to about 6 and a half minutes into this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWDtzdAYTOA
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
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Wacko2305
Okey dokey...here goes.
For the better years of my die hard arm chair devotion to the sport I have followed & admired Roy Jones jr & Joe Calzaghe. I salivated at the possibilities of a Calzaghe Jones bout or Calzaghe Hopkins.
I got one of those...& I have a feeling that I'll be gettin the other one just around the corner.
While I have no complaints with that...I can honestly say that I do not want to see Pavlik face Calzaghe. Joe, IWHO, would make Kelly look a bit foolish. I like Pavlik...always have & always will...but Joe's the superior boxer here. He proved that against Kessler, Lacy, & Hopkins of late & he's been proving it for the better part of the past decade.
It's easy for everyone to hate on Joe because most have been discounting him for years & years & years...& now that Joe's finally come stateside...well...many of my fellow Yanks have had to eat their words.
Oh well.
Roy has had a career resurgence...no if's, ands, or buts about it. He came back from two devastating losses...knockout losses...& in the end...if you want to bitch & piss & moan about Joe & his choice of opponents...you should turn the cheek.
Roy's a lot more reputable opponent than Lockett...no matter what anyone says.
If Kelly Pavlik can have a pass over...why can't Joe?
Seriously.
That being said...Roy's no pass over & the fight might surprise some of you. I don't expect Roy to just lay down for Joe. Roy could shock the world...& there aint shit wrong with that.
As I said...a lot of this has to do with some ridiculous critique of Calzaghe. It just get's tiring.
Calzaghe beat Lacy, Kessler, & Hopkins.
Pavlik beat Taylor twice, Miranda, & Lockett.
Apples to apples...well...you keep spoon feeding yourselves all this biased bullshit you'll start tasting sour grapes.
Joe Calzaghe has earned his rights to be respected & he's paid his dues. Pavlik still has some ways to go. Again, I love Pavlik...but I have to agree with one thing that Enzo said...he's still got work to do.
You're spot on about the unnecasary critique of Joe, he fights Hopkins and chases Roy (granted past their primes) yet Kelly fights Lockett and lines up a contender fighter (who should be 1-1 with another certain contender fighter that Joe was rightly ridiculed for taking on) yet Joe gets the shit.
I don't share your confidence of how the fight will go though, Joe has been diminishing ever so slightly every fight for a few years now, and it really showed against Hopkins, the speed has diminshed, let alone the long lost pop in his punches. He finds it tough against Pavlik IMO, a fight he would have got a comfortable decision in a couple years back.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
Enzio enzio Enzio you never seise to amaze me. Can't blame him for not wanting to put his flesh and blood in to fight the Ghost. Couldn't have felt to good spending his after fight party with Lockett in the hospital. Is Joes health insurance accepted here, daddy better find out if he ever steps foot in America to fight Kelly.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
well let the old ones fight it out, I favour RJJ since he would be the underdog now, then I could see Pavlik take on Kessler instead.
As I understand it Kessler is going to USA and they are trying to get a fight on HBO :cool:
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
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Wacko2305
Okey dokey...here goes.
For the better years of my die hard arm chair devotion to the sport I have followed & admired Roy Jones jr & Joe Calzaghe. I salivated at the possibilities of a Calzaghe Jones bout or Calzaghe Hopkins.
I got one of those...& I have a feeling that I'll be gettin the other one just around the corner.
While I have no complaints with that...I can honestly say that I do not want to see Pavlik face Calzaghe. Joe, IWHO, would make Kelly look a bit foolish. I like Pavlik...always have & always will...but Joe's the superior boxer here. He proved that against Kessler, Lacy, & Hopkins of late & he's been proving it for the better part of the past decade.
It's easy for everyone to hate on Joe because most have been discounting him for years & years & years...& now that Joe's finally come stateside...well...many of my fellow Yanks have had to eat their words.
Oh well.
Roy has had a career resurgence...no if's, ands, or buts about it. He came back from two devastating losses...knockout losses...& in the end...if you want to bitch & piss & moan about Joe & his choice of opponents...you should turn the cheek.
Roy's a lot more reputable opponent than Lockett...no matter what anyone says.
If Kelly Pavlik can have a pass over...why can't Joe?
Seriously.
That being said...Roy's no pass over & the fight might surprise some of you. I don't expect Roy to just lay down for Joe. Roy could shock the world...& there aint shit wrong with that.
As I said...a lot of this has to do with some ridiculous critique of Calzaghe. It just get's tiring.
Calzaghe beat Lacy, Kessler, & Hopkins.
Pavlik beat Taylor twice, Miranda, & Lockett.
Apples to apples...well...you keep spoon feeding yourselves all this biased bullshit you'll start tasting sour grapes.
Joe Calzaghe has earned his rights to be respected & he's paid his dues. Pavlik still has some ways to go. Again, I love Pavlik...but I have to agree with one thing that Enzo said...he's still got work to do.
You're spot on about the unnecasary critique of Joe, he fights Hopkins and chases Roy (granted past their primes) yet Kelly fights Lockett and lines up a contender fighter (who should be 1-1 with another certain contender fighter that Joe was rightly ridiculed for taking on) yet Joe gets the shit.
I don't share your confidence of how the fight will go though, Joe has been diminishing ever so slightly every fight for a few years now, and it really showed against Hopkins, the speed has diminshed, let alone the long lost pop in his punches. He finds it tough against Pavlik IMO, a fight he would have got a comfortable decision in a couple years back.
The difference is Joe has one maybe 2 fights left, whereas Pavlik might have 20. It is less of an embarrasment fighting Contenders and shot guys in the mid part of your career than it is towards the end, cos there are plenty of fights to prove yourself.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
Enzo has been on the vino far to much! The Calzaghe camp are going to protect that unbeaten record no matter what anyone says or does.
There will be no rematch with Kessler and there should be, he won't fight Pavlik but he won't, he will fight Jones Jr because the money will be there and in their eyes it's an easier fight, i have some news for them, i think Roy will beat the living hell out of Crapzaghe!
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
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Enzo has been on the vino far to much! The Calzaghe camp are going to protect that unbeaten record no matter what anyone says or does.
There will be no rematch with Kessler and there should be, he won't fight Pavlik but he won't, he will fight Jones Jr because the money will be there and in their eyes it's an easier fight, i have some news for them, i think Roy will beat the living hell out of Crapzaghe!
That justifies their reason to take the Jones fight over Pavlik, doesn't it?
The majority of people slagging Calzaghe for picking JOnes... are picking Jones to beat him.. the irony :lolhaha:
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THE THIRD MAN
Enzo has been on the vino far to much! The Calzaghe camp are going to protect that unbeaten record no matter what anyone says or does.
There will be no rematch with Kessler and there should be, he won't fight Pavlik but he won't, he will fight Jones Jr because the money will be there and in their eyes it's an easier fight, i have some news for them, i think Roy will beat the living hell out of Crapzaghe!
That justifies their reason to take the Jones fight over Pavlik, doesn't it?
The majority of people slagging Calzaghe for picking JOnes... are picking Jones to beat him.. the irony :lolhaha:
Correct, i find it hard to believe that they actually think Roy Jones Jr will be a pushover and they will make some easy money and retire unbeaten. I have no problem with the Calzaghe camp fighting Jones Jr, none whatsoever, it's a very dangerous game they are playing IMO.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
But Peter Manfredo, Sakio Bika and Evans Ashira were. Sorry Pavlik, Calzaghe shoots for the stars.
Re: Enzo saying Pavlik fight will never happen. Pavlik does not deserve it.
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eagle
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Bomp
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Wacko2305
Okey dokey...here goes.
For the better years of my die hard arm chair devotion to the sport I have followed & admired Roy Jones jr & Joe Calzaghe. I salivated at the possibilities of a Calzaghe Jones bout or Calzaghe Hopkins.
I got one of those...& I have a feeling that I'll be gettin the other one just around the corner.
While I have no complaints with that...I can honestly say that I do not want to see Pavlik face Calzaghe. Joe, IWHO, would make Kelly look a bit foolish. I like Pavlik...always have & always will...but Joe's the superior boxer here. He proved that against Kessler, Lacy, & Hopkins of late & he's been proving it for the better part of the past decade.
It's easy for everyone to hate on Joe because most have been discounting him for years & years & years...& now that Joe's finally come stateside...well...many of my fellow Yanks have had to eat their words.
Oh well.
Roy has had a career resurgence...no if's, ands, or buts about it. He came back from two devastating losses...knockout losses...& in the end...if you want to bitch & piss & moan about Joe & his choice of opponents...you should turn the cheek.
Roy's a lot more reputable opponent than Lockett...no matter what anyone says.
If Kelly Pavlik can have a pass over...why can't Joe?
Seriously.
That being said...Roy's no pass over & the fight might surprise some of you. I don't expect Roy to just lay down for Joe. Roy could shock the world...& there aint shit wrong with that.
As I said...a lot of this has to do with some ridiculous critique of Calzaghe. It just get's tiring.
Calzaghe beat Lacy, Kessler, & Hopkins.
Pavlik beat Taylor twice, Miranda, & Lockett.
Apples to apples...well...you keep spoon feeding yourselves all this biased bullshit you'll start tasting sour grapes.
Joe Calzaghe has earned his rights to be respected & he's paid his dues. Pavlik still has some ways to go. Again, I love Pavlik...but I have to agree with one thing that Enzo said...he's still got work to do.
You're spot on about the unnecasary critique of Joe, he fights Hopkins and chases Roy (granted past their primes) yet Kelly fights Lockett and lines up a contender fighter (who should be 1-1 with another certain contender fighter that Joe was rightly ridiculed for taking on) yet Joe gets the shit.
I don't share your confidence of how the fight will go though, Joe has been diminishing ever so slightly every fight for a few years now, and it really showed against Hopkins, the speed has diminshed, let alone the long lost pop in his punches. He finds it tough against Pavlik IMO, a fight he would have got a comfortable decision in a couple years back.
The difference is Joe has one maybe 2 fights left, whereas Pavlik might have 20. It is less of an embarrasment fighting Contenders and shot guys in the mid part of your career than it is towards the end, cos there are plenty of fights to prove yourself.
That about sums it up for me good post.
