Pacman v Hamed

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by eagle

Pac could outslug or outbox Hamed.

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This time I would agree with you eagle. :cool:

Naz has bad defense. Pacquaio has overall good defense. In terms of speed and power, Naz would be lesser. In terms of chin, Pacquaio has already proven himself.

Naz could hardly counter Barrera.Pacquaio demolished Barrera in their first fight.:cool:

May I know then in what aspect would Naz beat Pac?

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How much of Hamed have you watched?

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Why?:confused: I'm a fan of Hamed..... He was really good. Luisito Espinosa would not have a chance against him but against Pacquaio he was simply inferior in defense and offense. I know you know why...do I need to explain? I suggest you watch his fights.

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by brucelee

This time I would agree with you eagle. :cool:

Naz has bad defense. Pacquaio has overall good defense. In terms of speed and power, Naz would be lesser. In terms of chin, Pacquaio has already proven himself.

Naz could hardly counter Barrera.Pacquaio demolished Barrera in their first fight.:cool:

May I know then in what aspect would Naz beat Pac?

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How much of Hamed have you watched?

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Why?:confused: I'm a fan of Hamed..... He was really good. Luisito Espinosa would not have a chance against him but against Pacquaio he was simply inferior in defense and offense. I know you know why...do I need to explain? I suggest you watch his fights.

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Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by brucelee

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Originally Posted by Majesty

How much of Hamed have you watched?

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Why?:confused: I'm a fan of Hamed..... He was really good. Luisito Espinosa would not have a chance against him but against Pacquaio he was simply inferior in defense and offense. I know you know why...do I need to explain? I suggest you watch his fights.

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Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he scored 3 knockdowns on Naz because he countered Naz, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight, and he is much faster and much more powerful than Kelley is.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Why?:confused: I'm a fan of Hamed..... He was really good. Luisito Espinosa would not have a chance against him but against Pacquaio he was simply inferior in defense and offense. I know you know why...do I need to explain? I suggest you watch his fights.

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Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he had Naz on the canvas 3 times, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight.

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I remember Kevin Kelley, what was the result of that fight? Pacquiao would slug with him and it would be a battle of who landed first. But Hamed was a good counterpuncher, but why is mostly only the Kevin Kelley fight and the Barerra fight brought up? Hamed has looked a lot better then in those fights.

Aren't we considering they both are at their best? If we are then we'd be looking more at the Robinson fight instead of the Kelley fight. Or are we not looking at Robinson because some people don't think he was classs?

That Hamed was far from his best.

Hamed by KO ;D

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he had Naz on the canvas 3 times, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight.

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I remember Kevin Kelley, what was the result of that fight?

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Yes Naz won but Kelley scored 3 knockdowns over Naz you honestly think if Pacquiao scored 3 knockdowns over Naz that he would let him off the hook ?? Naz got in too much trouble in that fight based on his poor balance and his weakness to getting countered. Pacquiao is much more faster and stronger than Kelley, and Pacquiao has the skills to counter Naz, and when Pacquiao would counter Naz he would make him pay much more than Kelley did.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he had Naz on the canvas 3 times, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight.

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I remember Kevin Kelley, what was the result of that fight?

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Yes Naz won but Kelley scored 3 knockdowns over Naz you honestly think if Pacquiao scored 3 knockdowns over Naz that he would let him off the hook ?? Naz got in too much trouble in that fight based on his poor balance and his weakness to getting countered. Pacquiao is much more faster and stronger than Kelley, and Pacquiao has the skills to counter Naz, and when he countered Naz he would make him pay much more than Kelley did.

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As Memphis said above me, that Hamed was far from his best. What about the one that was fighting robinson and johnson?

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Originally Posted by Memphis

That Hamed was far from his best.

Hamed by KO ;D

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Or maybe when Naz stepped up in opposition he was just made to look bad ever thought of that Memphis ?? because all of his previous fights before that one were impressive wins, Naz never really did face an elite opponent before the Barrera fight.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Majesty

I remember Kevin Kelley, what was the result of that fight?

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Yes Naz won but Kelley scored 3 knockdowns over Naz you honestly think if Pacquiao scored 3 knockdowns over Naz that he would let him off the hook ?? Naz got in too much trouble in that fight based on his poor balance and his weakness to getting countered. Pacquiao is much more faster and stronger than Kelley, and Pacquiao has the skills to counter Naz, and when he countered Naz he would make him pay much more than Kelley did.

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As Memphis said above me, that Hamed was far from his best. What about the one that was fighting robinson and johnson?

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Read my reply to Memphis.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Memphis

That Hamed was far from his best.

Hamed by KO ;D

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Or maybe when Naz stepped up in opposition he was just made to look bad ever thought of that Memphis ?? because all of his previous fights before that one were impressive wins, Naz never really did face an elite opponent before the Barrera fight.

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Who else was there for him to fight at featherweight before he fought Barerra? Name more then one person :)

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by brucelee

Why?:confused: I'm a fan of Hamed..... He was really good. Luisito Espinosa would not have a chance against him but against Pacquaio he was simply inferior in defense and offense. I know you know why...do I need to explain? I suggest you watch his fights.

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Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he scored 3 knockdowns on Naz because he countered Naz, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight, and he is much faster and much more powerful than Kelley is.

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Hamed was already on the downside by the Kelly fight.

Hamed beat everyone he could he held every belt at 126lbs.

I think Pac would have won but by Barerra Hamed was a shadow.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Memphis

That Hamed was far from his best.

Hamed by KO ;D

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Or maybe when Naz stepped up in opposition he was just made to look bad ever thought of that Memphis ?? because all of his previous fights before that one were impressive wins, Naz never really did face an elite opponent before the Barrera fight.

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Who else was there for him to fight at featherweight before he fought Barerra? Name more then one person :)

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And we are on about at anytime in Naz's career right ??

Juan Manuel Marquez
Guty Espadas Jr
Freddie Norwood
Erik Morales = He would have moved up easily.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Majesty

Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he scored 3 knockdowns on Naz because he countered Naz, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight, and he is much faster and much more powerful than Kelley is.

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Hamed was already on the downside by the Kelly fight.

Hamed beat everyone he could he held every belt at 126lbs.

I think Pac would have won but by Barerra Hamed was a shadow.

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How could he be on the downside when he hadn't shown any sign's of it in previous fights ?? like i said don't you think it has something to do with Naz stepping up in class that made him look bad. Remember that was Naz's first fight in the USA.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he scored 3 knockdowns on Naz because he countered Naz, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight, and he is much faster and much more powerful than Kelley is.

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Hamed was already on the downside by the Kelly fight.

Hamed beat everyone he could he held every belt at 126lbs.

I think Pac would have won but by Barerra Hamed was a shadow.

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How could he be on the downside when he hadn't shown any sign's of it in previous fights ?? like i said don't you think it has something to do with Naz stepping up in class that made him look bad. Remember that was Naz's first fight in the USA.

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He was showing it. Remember the medina fight? Hamed seemed to run hot and cold, he would look unbeatable against johnson robinson and vulnerable against Medina and Alicea(for a second)

So there's no real way to tell when he was on the downside. But what was apparent was that he wasnt listening to Ingle in the Kelley fight.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

That Hamed was far from his best.

Hamed by KO ;D

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Or maybe when Naz stepped up in opposition he was just made to look bad ever thought of that Memphis ?? quote]

Nope, the prospect of Hamed getting hit more whilst facing stiffer opposition has never crossed my mind :rolleyes:

Thanks for reminding me.