Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
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JT Rock
Like I posted in another thread, if Pavlik takes this fight then I will lose all respect for him, its plain fukin garbage:mad:
Pavlik should be fighting Abraham to lock down the MW division, and people were pissed at Mayweather for doing this kind of thing:rolleyes:
I cannot see the Pavlik Abraham fight happening anytime soon. Maybe way far down the road.
Abraham has no name here. Pavlik is not a big name himself. You know both camps will want 10's of millions to accept the fight and no promoter will risk losing that much of his shirt for a superfight between two unknown champions. With Abraham's promoter's and some of their shady work, there is no way pavlik would fight in Germany either.
This fight has a bigger chance of never happening than happening.
Really? I think if Abraham and Pavlik win their respective matches, and if Calzaghe doesn't call Pavlik out after his fight with Jones, Abraham and Pavlik will easily be each other's next fight.
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
Hopkins lost to Taylor 2x
Hopkins beat a weight drained Tarver
Hopkins cheated his way to beating an undersized out of shape Winky
Hopkins got beat by Calzaghe because he faded down the stretch because he cant hang anymore with the young guys.... FACT!!!!
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
Hopkins just loves his smaller opponents don't he?
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
To say you would lose all respect for a guy who is looking at every fight out there, and giving not fighting Abraham as a reason is ridiculous JT. And Hopkins on my scorecard beat Calzaghe. And on a lot of people's, and he showed people he could still hang and Pavlik is anything but extremely athletic. I do think in the end his pace would be a bit to much and there are other fights I would rather see, like Wright, but he doesn't need to go foray in another division, he's waiting for Abraham at middleweight.
Come on, everyone knew that he wasn't going to have a really big fight this year when Abraham won and said he would honor his mandatory. Hopkins would be a harder fight then anybody Abraham has ever faced too.
And what has Abraham been doing for the past 3 years? Aside from Miranda him and Sturm have literally been defending against the softest competition in boxing. Your boy Berto won a WBC title over a nobody, but you are going to single out Pavlik? There is something else there, you must just not like Pavlik because that's ridiculous.
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
I just don't want this transition for Hopkins, as an Opponent fought to Bide time as Pavlik waits foe bigger threats and Abraham to increase his state side marketability,(are they still talking about Raul Marquez)....Hopkins is much to much of a talent and He better be willing....and able to step into the brink Vs. Pavlik and take the victory,not just ride his name/legacy to a controversial close lose/win....rinse & repeat.
I suppose I'm thinking out loud and asking myself If I believe this one is winnable for Hopkins........absolutly!But he can be very frustrating for his fans and needs to TAKE it,his tomorrows are just about up!
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
Hopkins lost to Taylor 2x
Hopkins beat a weight drained Tarver
Hopkins cheated his way to beating an undersized out of shape Winky
Hopkins got beat by Calzaghe because he faded down the stretch because he cant hang anymore with the young guys.... FACT!!!!
Out of all the competition out there, who has a better shot at beating Pavlik?
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
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JT Rock
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SweetPea
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JT Rock
He proved beyond a shadow of a doubt 3 years ago that he cant hang with young athletic fighter in his prime... So tell me the relevance of this fight again?
The relevance of this fight is that Pavlik needs an opponent for the fall before he eventually fights Abraham in 2009. If someone can come up with an opponent who has more cache than Hopkins, then I'd love to hear it.
For those saying, 'he should fight Abraham!".. well, you're ignoring reality. That fight isn't happening until 2009. Pavlik could take the easy route and fight in the fall against a Lockett-esque stiff. If he's willing instead to risk it in the fall against a cagey accomplished fighter like Hopkins while waiting for Abraham, then more power to him.
So in the meantime he cant go up to 168? there are plenty of decent guys, I mean all joking aside I rather see him fight Carl Froch just because the fight will have some explosive quality to it, but not a old boring, hit and old throwing 5 punches around and 2 are legal type fight... No thank you I rather watch him fight a LIVE opponent not a slipping 45 year old fighter
Bernard Hopkins at 55 would probably still be better than Carl Froch is now. If you don't like Bernard's style of fighting, then that's your right, but that doesn't mean Hopkins isn't a worthy opponent for Pavlik.
If you said, "I don't want to see Pavlik fight Hopkins because I don't enjoy Bernard's style" then I wouldn't be disagreeing with that, because that would be a fair opinion. But that's different from "If Pavlik fights Hopkins, I'll lose all respect for him and that fight is garbage."
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
It would be interesting just to see how crap Hopkins would make Pavlik look and how BORING a fight Hopkins could make it.
Also.. Pavlik would win BUT I guarantee half this forum will claim Hopkins was ROBBED!! Fact.
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
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To say you would lose all respect for a guy who is looking at every fight out there, and giving not fighting Abraham as a reason is ridiculous JT. And Hopkins on my scorecard beat Calzaghe. And on a lot of people's, and he showed people he could still hang and Pavlik is anything but extremely athletic. I do think in the end his pace would be a bit to much and there are other fights I would rather see, like Wright, but he doesn't need to go foray in another division, he's waiting for Abraham at middleweight.
Come on, everyone knew that he wasn't going to have a really big fight this year when Abraham won and said he would honor his mandatory. Hopkins would be a harder fight then anybody Abraham has ever faced too.
And what has Abraham been doing for the past 3 years? Aside from Miranda him and Sturm have literally been defending against the softest competition in boxing. Your boy Berto won a WBC title over a nobody, but you are going to single out Pavlik? There is something else there, you must just not like Pavlik because that's ridiculous.
On the contrary I like Pavlik alot, but Hopkins is an ugly fight plain and simple... I mean its time for Hopkins to hang it up already and now he is gonna fight Pavlik:confused: are you kidding me... I would rather see him fight Williams personally, a guy in his prime that will make a fight out of it at least, even if he gets KTFO not a 45 year old plodder who leads with his head and right, holds and bangs and rabbit punches out of the refs view mixing in a few low blows... Wash, rinse and repeat:rolleyes:
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
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SweetPea
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JT Rock
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SweetPea
The relevance of this fight is that Pavlik needs an opponent for the fall before he eventually fights Abraham in 2009. If someone can come up with an opponent who has more cache than Hopkins, then I'd love to hear it.
For those saying, 'he should fight Abraham!".. well, you're ignoring reality. That fight isn't happening until 2009. Pavlik could take the easy route and fight in the fall against a Lockett-esque stiff. If he's willing instead to risk it in the fall against a cagey accomplished fighter like Hopkins while waiting for Abraham, then more power to him.
So in the meantime he cant go up to 168? there are plenty of decent guys, I mean all joking aside I rather see him fight Carl Froch just because the fight will have some explosive quality to it, but not a old boring, hit and old throwing 5 punches around and 2 are legal type fight... No thank you I rather watch him fight a LIVE opponent not a slipping 45 year old fighter
Bernard Hopkins at 55 would probably still be better than Carl Froch is now. If you don't like Bernard's style of fighting, then that's your right, but that doesn't mean Hopkins isn't a worthy opponent for Pavlik.
If you said, "I don't want to see Pavlik fight Hopkins because I don't enjoy Bernard's style" then I wouldn't be disagreeing with that, because that would be a fair opinion. But that's different from "If Pavlik fights Hopkins, I'll lose all respect for him and that fight is garbage."
Again its a crap fight plain and simple... No way Hopkins wins and if he does I'll have his ugly face as an avatar pic for a year.. Whats wrong with pavlik having a fight with a lively opponent:confused:
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
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amat
To say you would lose all respect for a guy who is looking at every fight out there, and giving not fighting Abraham as a reason is ridiculous JT. And Hopkins on my scorecard beat Calzaghe. And on a lot of people's, and he showed people he could still hang and Pavlik is anything but extremely athletic. I do think in the end his pace would be a bit to much and there are other fights I would rather see, like Wright, but he doesn't need to go foray in another division, he's waiting for Abraham at middleweight.
Come on, everyone knew that he wasn't going to have a really big fight this year when Abraham won and said he would honor his mandatory. Hopkins would be a harder fight then anybody Abraham has ever faced too.
And what has Abraham been doing for the past 3 years? Aside from Miranda him and Sturm have literally been defending against the softest competition in boxing. Your boy Berto won a WBC title over a nobody, but you are going to single out Pavlik? There is something else there, you must just not like Pavlik because that's ridiculous.
YATZHEE!!!
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I just don't want this transition for Hopkins, as an Opponent fought to Bide time as Pavlik waits foe bigger threats and Abraham to increase his state side marketability,(are they still talking about Raul Marquez)....Hopkins is much to much of a talent and He better be willing....and able to step into the brink Vs. Pavlik and take the victory,not just ride his name/legacy to a controversial close lose/win....rinse & repeat.
I suppose I'm thinking out loud and asking myself If I believe this one is winnable for Hopkins........absolutly!But he can be very frustrating for his fans and needs to TAKE it,his tomorrows are just about up!
I too think Hopkins has a shot at winning this. But if all goes Pavlik's way, Bernard may be in big trouble. It'll be marketable too, the past of the middleweight division vs the future!
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Fenster
It would be interesting just to see how crap Hopkins would make Pavlik look and how BORING a fight Hopkins could make it.
Also.. Pavlik would win BUT I guarantee half this forum will claim Hopkins was ROBBED!! Fact.
I think it was more about people's dislike for Calzaghe rather than a love for Hopkins. A lot in here hate his style of slapping, including me. I can see how either man could've been given the nod between them two, but I dislike Joe more than the next guy but I thought he won...
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
You're wrong JT, Hopkins can win. I think he beat Calzaghe as did a lot of people, he even knocked him down. He's a master at neutralizing his opponent's offense and dumbing down a fight to his pace. No doubt he would give Pavlik a very close fight.
You're honestly telling me that Williams has a better shot at Pavlik? Ok you can join Paul Williams as the only 2 people on Earth who actually believe that.
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
Hopkins has the ability and experience to win ANY fight. His style makes it so his opponent can't fight their fight or struggle to do so. The x-factor is whether or not Hopkins can mount enough offense to sway the judges to score him the round. His activity is what hurts him the most when it comes to the scorecards.
Re: Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th
How the hell is Kelly supposed to get ready to fight. The merry-go-round of opponents is the worst thing that could happen for Pavlik. Doesn't know who to bring in to spare, what tapes to study, etc. Arum is trying hard to land a fight but for some reason its just a whole lotta talk. If i'm Kelly i got to speak up a bit and start calling someone out and that includes calling out Arum. Enough with the nice guy whatever comes attitude, call out who YOU WANT so you can MENTALLY, AND PHYSICALLY be prepared.
