Pavlik vs Hopkins seriously being talked about for Oct 18th

[SweetPea]

Like I posted in another thread, if Pavlik takes this fight then I will lose all respect for him, its plain fukin garbage

Wow.... I have to say... I don't get this at all.

It's "garbage" for Pavlik to fight an opponent who is one of the most accomplished middleweight champs in history, still one of the top 10 PFP fighters in the sport, and who just had a very competitive fight against a guy (Calzaghe) who some think is the #1 PFP fighter in the sport? That's garbage?

He proved beyond a shadow of a doubt 3 years ago that he cant hang with young athletic fighter in his prime... So tell me the relevance of this fight again?

The relevance of this fight is that Pavlik needs an opponent for the fall before he eventually fights Abraham in 2009. If someone can come up with an opponent who has more cache than Hopkins, then I'd love to hear it.

For those saying, 'he should fight Abraham!".. well, you're ignoring reality. That fight isn't happening until 2009. Pavlik could take the easy route and fight in the fall against a Lockett-esque stiff. If he's willing instead to risk it in the fall against a cagey accomplished fighter like Hopkins while waiting for Abraham, then more power to him.

[JT Rock]

Wow.... I have to say... I don't get this at all.

It's "garbage" for Pavlik to fight an opponent who is one of the most accomplished middleweight champs in history, still one of the top 10 PFP fighters in the sport, and who just had a very competitive fight against a guy (Calzaghe) who some think is the #1 PFP fighter in the sport? That's garbage?

He proved beyond a shadow of a doubt 3 years ago that he cant hang with young athletic fighter in his prime... So tell me the relevance of this fight again?

The relevance of this fight is that Pavlik needs an opponent for the fall before he eventually fights Abraham in 2009. If someone can come up with an opponent who has more cache than Hopkins, then I'd love to hear it.

For those saying, 'he should fight Abraham!".. well, you're ignoring reality. That fight isn't happening until 2009. Pavlik could take the easy route and fight in the fall against a Lockett-esque stiff. If he's willing instead to risk it in the fall against a cagey accomplished fighter like Hopkins while waiting for Abraham, then more power to him.

So in the meantime he cant go up to 168? there are plenty of decent guys, I mean all joking aside I rather see him fight Carl Froch just because the fight will have some explosive quality to it, but not a old boring, hit and old throwing 5 punches around and 2 are legal type fight... No thank you I rather watch him fight a LIVE opponent not a slipping 45 year old fighter

[JT Rock]

Hopkins lost to Taylor 2x

Hopkins beat a weight drained Tarver

Hopkins cheated his way to beating an undersized out of shape Winky

Hopkins got beat by Calzaghe because he faded down the stretch because he cant hang anymore with the young guys.... FACT!!!!

[amat]

Hopkins lost to Taylor 2x

Hopkins beat a weight drained Tarver

Hopkins cheated his way to beating an undersized out of shape Winky

Hopkins got beat by Calzaghe because he faded down the stretch because he cant hang anymore with the young guys.... FACT!!!!

Out of all the competition out there, who has a better shot at beating Pavlik?

[death]

Hopkins lost to Taylor 2x

Hopkins beat a weight drained Tarver

Hopkins cheated his way to beating an undersized out of shape Winky

Hopkins got beat by Calzaghe because he faded down the stretch because he cant hang anymore with the young guys.... FACT!!!!

You can take your blinders off now.

[JT Rock]

Hopkins lost to Taylor 2x

Hopkins beat a weight drained Tarver

Hopkins cheated his way to beating an undersized out of shape Winky

Hopkins got beat by Calzaghe because he faded down the stretch because he cant hang anymore with the young guys.... FACT!!!!

You can take your blinders off now.

[Bomp]

After the wait, it's a very credible opponent for Kelly. I see him taking control of the fight in the middle rounds, maybe forcing a stoppage late on. Hopkins looked tired last time out, and JC wasn't even pushing him THAT hard so after a few awkward rounds it's Pavlik's fight for me.

Little worried about how Hopkins is backpedalling, he's cruised past the 41 deadline, and now he's coming off the seniors tour to fight a young stronger guy, something he said he wouldn't in the run up to the JC fight. Maybe a convincing loss will persuade him to do the right thing and retire with a great career behind him.

[Markusdarkus]

Very credible!!

You know i thought Joe would walk in there and just be too much but Hopkins ia a machine. He will stop Kelly working, Pavlik will be running at 30% and thats how Hopkins wins.

If i was Pavlik fan i would be thinking this:

Kelly went life and death with Taylor twice, his power did not look great at 166lbs, Hopkins has been reborn at 175 and Hopkins has the same reach and is only 1" shorter.

Lets see Kelly fight a guy that is a natural SMW/LHW see how he handles his shots bouncing off.

[SweetPea]

He proved beyond a shadow of a doubt 3 years ago that he cant hang with young athletic fighter in his prime... So tell me the relevance of this fight again?

The relevance of this fight is that Pavlik needs an opponent for the fall before he eventually fights Abraham in 2009. If someone can come up with an opponent who has more cache than Hopkins, then I'd love to hear it.

For those saying, 'he should fight Abraham!".. well, you're ignoring reality. That fight isn't happening until 2009. Pavlik could take the easy route and fight in the fall against a Lockett-esque stiff. If he's willing instead to risk it in the fall against a cagey accomplished fighter like Hopkins while waiting for Abraham, then more power to him.

So in the meantime he cant go up to 168? there are plenty of decent guys, I mean all joking aside I rather see him fight Carl Froch just because the fight will have some explosive quality to it, but not a old boring, hit and old throwing 5 punches around and 2 are legal type fight... No thank you I rather watch him fight a LIVE opponent not a slipping 45 year old fighter

Bernard Hopkins at 55 would probably still be better than Carl Froch is now. If you don't like Bernard's style of fighting, then that's your right, but that doesn't mean Hopkins isn't a worthy opponent for Pavlik.

If you said, "I don't want to see Pavlik fight Hopkins because I don't enjoy Bernard's style" then I wouldn't be disagreeing with that, because that would be a fair opinion. But that's different from "If Pavlik fights Hopkins, I'll lose all respect for him and that fight is garbage."

[Fenster]

It would be interesting just to see how crap Hopkins would make Pavlik look and how BORING a fight Hopkins could make it.

Also.. Pavlik would win BUT I guarantee half this forum will claim Hopkins was ROBBED!! Fact.

[C-Lo]

To say you would lose all respect for a guy who is looking at every fight out there, and giving not fighting Abraham as a reason is ridiculous JT. And Hopkins on my scorecard beat Calzaghe. And on a lot of people's, and he showed people he could still hang and Pavlik is anything but extremely athletic. I do think in the end his pace would be a bit to much and there are other fights I would rather see, like Wright, but he doesn't need to go foray in another division, he's waiting for Abraham at middleweight.

Come on, everyone knew that he wasn't going to have a really big fight this year when Abraham won and said he would honor his mandatory. Hopkins would be a harder fight then anybody Abraham has ever faced too.

And what has Abraham been doing for the past 3 years? Aside from Miranda him and Sturm have literally been defending against the softest competition in boxing. Your boy Berto won a WBC title over a nobody, but you are going to single out Pavlik? There is something else there, you must just not like Pavlik because that's ridiculous.

YATZHEE!!!

I just don't want this transition for Hopkins, as an Opponent fought to Bide time as Pavlik waits foe bigger threats and Abraham to increase his state side marketability,(are they still talking about Raul Marquez)....Hopkins is much to much of a talent and He better be willing....and able to step into the brink Vs. Pavlik and take the victory,not just ride his name/legacy to a controversial close lose/win....rinse & repeat.

I suppose I'm thinking out loud and asking myself If I believe this one is winnable for Hopkins........absolutly!But he can be very frustrating for his fans and needs to TAKE it,his tomorrows are just about up!

I too think Hopkins has a shot at winning this. But if all goes Pavlik's way, Bernard may be in big trouble. It'll be marketable too, the past of the middleweight division vs the future!

It would be interesting just to see how crap Hopkins would make Pavlik look and how BORING a fight Hopkins could make it.

Also.. Pavlik would win BUT I guarantee half this forum will claim Hopkins was ROBBED!! Fact.

I think it was more about people's dislike for Calzaghe rather than a love for Hopkins. A lot in here hate his style of slapping, including me. I can see how either man could've been given the nod between them two, but I dislike Joe more than the next guy but I thought he won...

[mexirican]

How the hell is Kelly supposed to get ready to fight. The merry-go-round of opponents is the worst thing that could happen for Pavlik. Doesn't know who to bring in to spare, what tapes to study, etc. Arum is trying hard to land a fight but for some reason its just a whole lotta talk. If i'm Kelly i got to speak up a bit and start calling someone out and that includes calling out Arum. Enough with the nice guy whatever comes attitude, call out who YOU WANT so you can MENTALLY, AND PHYSICALLY be prepared.

[eagle]

I think if Kelly fights and beats Hopkins, then the fight with Joe will become more lucrative. A win over Hopkins is never easy and it would prove Pavlik is for real.

[Fenster]

It would be interesting just to see how crap Hopkins would make Pavlik look and how BORING a fight Hopkins could make it.

Also.. Pavlik would win BUT I guarantee half this forum will claim Hopkins was ROBBED!! Fact.

I think it was more about people's dislike for Calzaghe rather than a love for Hopkins. A lot in here hate his style of slapping, including me. I can see how either man could've been given the nod between them two, but I dislike Joe more than the next guy but I thought he won...

Calzaghe? Calzaghe has nothing to do with Hopkins unique ability to BORE!!!

Hopkins is the GREATEST fighter in history at making fights BORING!!! Pavlik is currently a Grade 1 boxing entertainer. Hopkins WILL make his fight with Pavlik (should it happen) BORINGLY forgettable.

So BORING people will believe his 3 punches per round style WON him the fight. Fact.

[JT Rock]

The relevance of this fight is that Pavlik needs an opponent for the fall before he eventually fights Abraham in 2009. If someone can come up with an opponent who has more cache than Hopkins, then I'd love to hear it.

For those saying, 'he should fight Abraham!".. well, you're ignoring reality. That fight isn't happening until 2009. Pavlik could take the easy route and fight in the fall against a Lockett-esque stiff. If he's willing instead to risk it in the fall against a cagey accomplished fighter like Hopkins while waiting for Abraham, then more power to him.

So in the meantime he cant go up to 168? there are plenty of decent guys, I mean all joking aside I rather see him fight Carl Froch just because the fight will have some explosive quality to it, but not a old boring, hit and old throwing 5 punches around and 2 are legal type fight... No thank you I rather watch him fight a LIVE opponent not a slipping 45 year old fighter

Bernard Hopkins at 55 would probably still be better than Carl Froch is now. If you don't like Bernard's style of fighting, then that's your right, but that doesn't mean Hopkins isn't a worthy opponent for Pavlik.

If you said, "I don't want to see Pavlik fight Hopkins because I don't enjoy Bernard's style" then I wouldn't be disagreeing with that, because that would be a fair opinion. But that's different from "If Pavlik fights Hopkins, I'll lose all respect for him and that fight is garbage."

Again its a crap fight plain and simple... No way Hopkins wins and if he does I'll have his ugly face as an avatar pic for a year.. Whats wrong with pavlik having a fight with a lively opponent