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Originally Posted by Lyle
Very well said. I'm not a Floyd hater (for the record), but some things are plain as day... and only blind fans will continue to deny the undeniable.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Very well said. I'm not a Floyd hater (for the record), but some things are plain as day... and only blind fans will continue to deny the undeniable.
A 27 PBF hadQuote:
Originally Posted by LyleMiguel Cotto is 27 and he unlike Floyd has fought Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito and he KO'd Zab Judah...those are all things Floyd didn't do. And in fighting Margarito he did fight the best at 147 that fight was ultimately for the bragging rights in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth32
I don't really respect the Gomez fight but fighting Carlos Quintana as his first fight at 147 is pretty big. Floyd fought Sharmba Mitchell as his first fight at 147....WEAK...had he done it maybe 5 years earlier then hell yeah it would be worth something but at that point in his career Sharmba was done.
Floyd is a great boxer but he took no chances
fought and beat Castillo twice
KO'd Angel Mafredy in 2
TKO'd Genaro Hernandez in 8
KO'd Diego Corrales in 10 after knocking him down 5 times.
By age 27 he had won titles at 2 divisions, same as Cotto.
U cannot say that Floyd ducked anyone in his first 2 weight divisions same as Cotto.
Difference is Floyd then went up another 19 pounds and won titles, that would be the equivalent of Cotto winnig a 168 title. If Cotto fought a 168 titleist and won guys like u would be saying how great it was, yet when Floyd does something similiar, u just dismiss it.
My point is that at age 27 Floyd had done as much if not more than Cotto.
At lighter divisions, maybe. But at 147, if Floyd wants to be considered the best, he needs to fight the division's best. That hasn't happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleA 27 PBF hadQuote:
Originally Posted by LyleMiguel Cotto is 27 and he unlike Floyd has fought Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito and he KO'd Zab Judah...those are all things Floyd didn't do. And in fighting Margarito he did fight the best at 147 that fight was ultimately for the bragging rights in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth32
I don't really respect the Gomez fight but fighting Carlos Quintana as his first fight at 147 is pretty big. Floyd fought Sharmba Mitchell as his first fight at 147....WEAK...had he done it maybe 5 years earlier then hell yeah it would be worth something but at that point in his career Sharmba was done.
Floyd is a great boxer but he took no chances
fought and beat Castillo twice
KO'd Angel Mafredy in 2
TKO'd Genaro Hernandez in 8
KO'd Diego Corrales in 10 after knocking him down 5 times.
By age 27 he had won titles at 2 divisions, same as Cotto.
U cannot say that Floyd ducked anyone in his first 2 weight divisions same as Cotto.
Difference is Floyd then went up another 19 pounds and won titles, that would be the equivalent of Cotto winnig a 168 title. If Cotto fought a 168 titleist and won guys like u would be saying how great it was, yet when Floyd does something similiar, u just dismiss it.
My point is that at age 27 Floyd had done as much if not more than Cotto.
Floyd has gone out of his way to dismiss any fight with Margarito and Cotto and anyone else that threatened him.
He didn't want to fight Hatton until Floyd was a full blown welterweight and saw Hatton having trouble vs Luis Collazo and then he realized how easy it would be and made the fight.
Floyd bitched about Mosley ducking him and now what does Floyd do??? He ducks Shane!
Floyd is not a risk taker at all you can look at who he fought and who he COULD have fought and it's plain to see he didn't take many chances. He never unified a division and if anyone had the weight behind them to do it it's Floyd!
are you crazy pbf was trying to fight hatton when he was still fighting at 135 hatton didnt want the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
what i know is pbf came off makeing 20 mill with odlh and probly about 15 with hatton and cotto and margo offered him 8 tell me what you would do even if he faught and beat them both it would only make 16 and if its not about the money to all fighters they would make sure he got the money he wanted since even if pbf has a smaller fan base then both fighter he had more to lose and was more known and more talked about for more yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
i also must say that out of 39 fights it only takes 2 that can decide if your the best or not in that case the only 2 fighters he had to be would have been castillo,corrales,margo, and cotto because acording to people like you the only 2 of his fights he deserves propes for are castillo and corrales
also gatti and up all made there biggest payday fighting pbf so it would be safe to asume it would have been the same for margo and cotto so he gives them the biggest payday and doesn't get half of his biggest payday if money shouldnt be a issue in his job then everyone stop trying to gain more income asap
Thank you, u just strengthened my point. At lighter weights, cos Floyd is a lighter person naturally than Cotto or Margo.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanAt lighter divisions, maybe. But at 147, if Floyd wants to be considered the best, he needs to fight the division's best. That hasn't happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleA 27 PBF hadQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
fought and beat Castillo twice
KO'd Angel Mafredy in 2
TKO'd Genaro Hernandez in 8
KO'd Diego Corrales in 10 after knocking him down 5 times.
By age 27 he had won titles at 2 divisions, same as Cotto.
U cannot say that Floyd ducked anyone in his first 2 weight divisions same as Cotto.
Difference is Floyd then went up another 19 pounds and won titles, that would be the equivalent of Cotto winnig a 168 title. If Cotto fought a 168 titleist and won guys like u would be saying how great it was, yet when Floyd does something similiar, u just dismiss it.
My point is that at age 27 Floyd had done as much if not more than Cotto.
As for the whole didnt unify a division argument, that is bullshit. If Floyd had of stayed at 130 all his fighting life he would easily have unified the division, but there is no way he would have got the P4P satus he enjoys from moving up divisions. What is more impressive? Unifying 130. or moving from 130 up to 154 and beating a future Hall of Famer? Moving up of course.
It wouldn't take Floyd long to unify we all know boxing is about money and Floyd can bring that and he could have unified any division he wanted to but never even TRIED to.
So truth I guess Floyd is really gunning for Bill Gates??
The problem is Floyd wants to be considered as the greatest of all time and he's not coming close because he's leaving questions about himself unanswered.
To be fair you could pick holes in Miguel Cotto's resume aswell.
I'm not going to because it will turn into a giant debate and possibly slagging off contest.
You can't blame Mayweather for chasing the money now. Boxing has become more of a business than a sport. He's earned the right to earn as much money as he can.
Looks at who he's beaten...
Manfredy
Hernandez
Chavez
Chico
Castillo (twice)
Gatti
Judah
Oscar
Hatton
There would be hard-ons all aorund if Cotto/Hatton or Pavlik had a resume like that.
great point also for those who think pbf has a boring style the hard hitting cotto did everthing he could to copy it but couldn't pull it offQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
i guess he is gunning for bill gates if you say so. money is a issue in everyones life even people who are rich but everyone has there own point of veiw. and if cotto and floyd would have faught cotto whould have 2 losses on his record if your a cotto fan you shouldn't even want him to fight floyd in 39 wins 26 ko's yo u do the math the man can fight both ways hatton was like 41-0 one knock down pbf knocked him out hard 41 other guys couldn't even beat himQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Come on man,Do you honestly think Cotto was trying to emulate Mayweather?To an open mind,the man has evolved & improved his skill set before our eyes from somewhat raw instinct trader to a vastly Improved Boxer .He lost a fight but thats been known to happen in this sport when you want tough fights & step up against top tier threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth32great point also for those who think pbf has a boring style the hard hitting cotto did everthing he could to copy it but couldn't pull it offQuote:
Originally Posted by ono
not his exact style but he was trying to punch and stay away from margo witch is what floyd does verywell i would say if floyd did what cotto did and won they would say he was on his bike he ran and more but i hav not yet heard anyone say or seen anyone right that cotto was on his bike oh and he also gave up he shook his head 2 his corner to tell them he didnt want anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsCome on man,Do you honestly think Cotto was trying to emulate Mayweather?To an open mind,the man has evolved & improved his skill set before our eyes from somewhat raw instinct trader to a vastly Improved Boxer .He lost a fight but thats been known to happen in this sport when you want tough fights & step up against top tier threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth32great point also for those who think pbf has a boring style the hard hitting cotto did everthing he could to copy it but couldn't pull it offQuote:
Originally Posted by ono