I disagree dear..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomy
To destroy toney would imply that he would be stopped..
and nobody ever stops james toney..
Its a deep deep fight for haye and the risk to reward ratio does not match up for hayemaker
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I disagree dear..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomy
To destroy toney would imply that he would be stopped..
and nobody ever stops james toney..
Its a deep deep fight for haye and the risk to reward ratio does not match up for hayemaker
I dont like to be mean to new members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomy
But...you are really stupid. :rolleyes:
Haye would just "destroy" James Toney? You have been soaking up the UK media too long. Nobody destroys James Toney. You need some boxing history lessons. David Haye? FFS.... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by milesI dont like to be mean to new members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomy
But...you are really stupid. :rolleyes:
Haye would just "destroy" James Toney? You have been soaking up the UK media too long. Nobody destroys James Toney. You need some boxing history lessons. David Haye? FFS.... :rolleyes:
Im stupid, and need histroy lessons, because I believe David Haye would destroy James Tony?
Tony is a shell of what he was, people just dont like Haye because he runs his mouth all the while.
He has beaten the best in his weight division, and he is moving up. James Toney has nothing left to offer, unless he is ramming himself with steroids.
Haye would stop Toney...simple as.
Its my opion, doesnt mean I am stupid...
David Haye didn't even unify the titles at cruiserweight....so he didn't beat ALL the best he just beat Mormeck. I don't rate Maccarinelli at all. How many times has James Toney been knocked down much less knocked out?????
Give me the answer and tell me if you feel a LITTLE like you've been drinking the David Haye Kool Aide.
Just to be honest and show my impartiality I dislike James Toney more than any fighter not named Floyd Mayweather Jr. but I give the guy respect for his skill
Mormeck had the belts, Haye beat him, Macarinelli had the other one, Haye beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Toney is shot, and at this point in his career he wouldnt last with Haye.
I hate David haye, but i know if these two got in the ring, Haye would demolish him
The recent Hasim Rahman vs. James Toney heavyweight fight has been declared a 'No Decision' by the California State Athletic Commission
so i would like to see him fight Rahman again
peace
Reggie Johnson 1991 - Legit knockdown. - Got up to winQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Roy Jones - Flashy but taunting back put him off balance
Sam Peter 2.. Stood toe to toe on his heels and put off balance by a jab.
I believe thats all of them.
Stopped - Never..
Having fought all the best from middleweight to Heavyweight.
So pretty much hasnt been legitimately knocked down in 17 years.. and what.. 3 world titles later..
Sorry he has fought the best at Heavyweight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHB
Hasim Rachman - No Contest
Samuel Peter - Lost
Samuel Peter - Lost
Hasim Rachman - Draw
John Ruiz - No Contest
Evander Holyfield - Won
Apart from holyfield, where are all these great Heavyweights?
Looking down his other fights cant really see anyone worth listing apart from beating Mike Mcullum, losing to Montel Griffin errr twice.
And losing near enough every round to Roy Jones JNR
Great aint he... even if they didnt stop him, Haye would...
Oh dear me.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ShroomySorry he has fought the best at Heavyweight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHB
Hasim Rachman - No Contest
Samuel Peter - Lost
Samuel Peter - Lost
Hasim Rachman - Draw
John Ruiz - No Contest
Evander Holyfield - Won
Apart from holyfield, where are all these great Heavyweights?
Looking down his other fights cant really see anyone worth listing apart from beating Mike Mcullum, losing to Montel Griffin errr twice.
And losing near enough every round to Roy Jones JNR
Great aint he... even if they didnt stop him, Haye would...
You are digging your own hole.. anyone worth listing! Dont comment on things if your going off boxrec and havent seen and dont know about the incidents.. im not trying to be a jerk but please.. only express your opinions on fact.. I might seem like a jerk arguing with you but in all fairness there are guys on here so much worse that would be well harsh.
Urr.. lets see
Prince charles williams..
reggie johnson
Iran Barkley
Michael Nunn
In 2003 he was fighter of the year.. he beat visili jirov for the ibf cruiserweight title in one of the best and most skillful fights i have ever seen.. He not only beat evander but for one he was a massive underdog and stopped evander holyfield which only riddick bowe had done up to that point!.. and toney is a middleweight.. and people say evander was past it evander was past it.. but he still went on to beat some tough guys and earn another world title shot and still hasnt been stopped since!..
toney wore him down in a master peice..
and how i can tell for one that you havent seen these fights or havent been informed enough on these boxing matters is that toney has been robbed of decisions he deserved his entire career
he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..
Like i said.. its not an arguement or any bad blood here..
im just trying to educate you and express my opinion as you are to me with your own opinion.. but i personally believe that my opinions are based on more fact then yours..
and i only ranted like this because you questioned toney's competition.
Peace
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Originally Posted by Tito BHBOh dear me.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ShroomySorry he has fought the best at Heavyweight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHB
Hasim Rachman - No Contest
Samuel Peter - Lost
Samuel Peter - Lost
Hasim Rachman - Draw
John Ruiz - No Contest
Evander Holyfield - Won
Apart from holyfield, where are all these great Heavyweights?
Looking down his other fights cant really see anyone worth listing apart from beating Mike Mcullum, losing to Montel Griffin errr twice.
And losing near enough every round to Roy Jones JNR
Great aint he... even if they didnt stop him, Haye would...
You are digging your own hole.. anyone worth listing! Dont comment on things if your going off boxrec and havent seen and dont know about the incidents.. im not trying to be a jerk but please.. only express your opinions on fact.. I might seem like a jerk arguing with you but in all fairness there are guys on here so much worse that would be well harsh.
Urr.. lets see
Prince charles williams..
reggie johnson
Iran Barkley
Michael Nunn
In 2003 he was fighter of the year.. he beat visili jirov for the ibf cruiserweight title in one of the best and most skillful fights i have ever seen.. He not only beat evander but for one he was a massive underdog and stopped evander holyfield which only riddick bowe had done up to that point!.. and toney is a middleweight.. and people say evander was past it evander was past it.. but he still went on to beat some tough guys and earn another world title shot and still hasnt been stopped since!..
toney wore him down in a master peice..
and how i can tell for one that you havent seen these fights or havent been informed enough on these boxing matters is that toney has been robbed of decisions he deserved his entire career
he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..
Like i said.. its not an arguement or any bad blood here..
im just trying to educate you and express my opinion as you are to me with your own opinion.. but i personally believe that my opinions are based on more fact then yours..
and i only ranted like this because you questioned toney's competition.
Peace
Evander was past irt
Iran Barkley wasnt Elite
nor was redggie Johnson
nor was michael nunn
and you copuld only pick 3 out of his entire career
shame...
he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..
thats like me saying oscar won both fights against moseley
or oscar beat trinidad
end of the day the records show they didnt...
Plus in my honest opinion..
Ruiz.. Okay he tested positive for steriods.. but a guy lie ruiz who also is a heavyweight veteran having fought a hell of alot of the best guys through this generation.. got schooled by toney.. Steriods dont give you skills and counter rights like toney was hammering ruiz with..
But there is no excuse for steriods whether toney was aware of having these inside of him i dont know.. he claims to have not taken them willingly.
Sam peter 1 - robbery blatantly toney's fight.
hasim rahman 1 +2
one he etched out for me .. honestly.. it might sound like i say it cause im a fan but i really think he won it.
and two.. well i have said the entire time.. bad luck he got cut.. it wasnt that bad.. fighters have gone on with less..
i put the decision down to idiocy and lack of heart from rahman..
firstly he had no heart to fight on after toney started doing well.. he figured that oh i'll get out the easy way and have it Called a technical draw.. when the cut wasnt bad enough to stop and by him saying i cant see.. didnt mean the ref though it was bad enough and the doctor said he could have fought on but he didnt have the heart and wanted the easy way out so toney deserved to take that win.
No.. beacuse real fight fans will know..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomy
and plus trinidad did beat oscar!.. lol and oscar only won the second mosely fight.
Are you kidding me.. Iran barkley and nunn not elite.. Your wrong..
What and Haye IS elite?!
And three names from his period of middle and super middle..
on top of all the names at heavyweight, light heavyweight that you mentioned yourself
i mentioned the ones you didnt not all of them
Errr the guy is cheat, he took steroids, and he didnt willingly know, these guys have people around them that work with that stuff everyday, the top nutritionists anmd physicians, either they are thick, or very bad at what they do, but most people know if they are taking steroids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHB
So he is either a thick or a cheat and a lier , i would say all three
sam peter
check the records mate he lost...
bad luck he got cut?
no he got cut, that happens in boxing, check the records it was a NC
ok