Who should James Toney fight next?

[Tito BHB]

David Haye didn't even unify the titles at cruiserweight....so he didn't beat ALL the best he just beat Mormeck. I don't rate Maccarinelli at all. How many times has James Toney been knocked down much less knocked out??

Give me the answer and tell me if you feel a LITTLE like you've been drinking the David Haye Kool Aide.


Just to be honest and show my impartiality I dislike James Toney more than any fighter not named Floyd Mayweather Jr. but I give the guy respect for his skill

Reggie Johnson 1991 - Legit knockdown. - Got up to win

Roy Jones - Flashy but taunting back put him off balance

Sam Peter 2.. Stood toe to toe on his heels and put off balance by a jab.

I believe thats all of them.

Stopped - Never..
Having fought all the best from middleweight to Heavyweight.

[Tito BHB]

So pretty much hasnt been legitimately knocked down in 17 years.. and what.. 3 world titles later..

[Shroomy]

Having fought all the best from middleweight to Heavyweight.

Sorry he has fought the best at Heavyweight...

Hasim Rachman - No Contest

Samuel Peter - Lost

Samuel Peter - Lost

Hasim Rachman - Draw

John Ruiz - No Contest

Evander Holyfield - Won

Apart from holyfield, where are all these great Heavyweights?

Looking down his other fights cant really see anyone worth listing apart from beating Mike Mcullum, losing to Montel Griffin errr twice.

And losing near enough every round to Roy Jones JNR

Great aint he... even if they didnt stop him, Haye would...

[Tito BHB]

Having fought all the best from middleweight to Heavyweight.

Sorry he has fought the best at Heavyweight...

Hasim Rachman - No Contest

Samuel Peter - Lost

Samuel Peter - Lost

Hasim Rachman - Draw

John Ruiz - No Contest

Evander Holyfield - Won

Apart from holyfield, where are all these great Heavyweights?

Looking down his other fights cant really see anyone worth listing apart from beating Mike Mcullum, losing to Montel Griffin errr twice.

And losing near enough every round to Roy Jones JNR

Great aint he... even if they didnt stop him, Haye would...

Oh dear me..

You are digging your own hole.. anyone worth listing! Dont comment on things if your going off boxrec and havent seen and dont know about the incidents.. im not trying to be a jerk but please.. only express your opinions on fact.. I might seem like a jerk arguing with you but in all fairness there are guys on here so much worse that would be well harsh.

Urr.. lets see

Prince charles williams..

reggie johnson

Iran Barkley

Michael Nunn

In 2003 he was fighter of the year.. he beat visili jirov for the ibf cruiserweight title in one of the best and most skillful fights i have ever seen.. He not only beat evander but for one he was a massive underdog and stopped evander holyfield which only riddick bowe had done up to that point!.. and toney is a middleweight.. and people say evander was past it evander was past it.. but he still went on to beat some tough guys and earn another world title shot and still hasnt been stopped since!..
toney wore him down in a master peice..

and how i can tell for one that you havent seen these fights or havent been informed enough on these boxing matters is that toney has been robbed of decisions he deserved his entire career

he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..

Like i said.. its not an arguement or any bad blood here..

im just trying to educate you and express my opinion as you are to me with your own opinion.. but i personally believe that my opinions are based on more fact then yours..

and i only ranted like this because you questioned toney's competition.

Peace

[Shroomy]

Having fought all the best from middleweight to Heavyweight.

Sorry he has fought the best at Heavyweight...

Hasim Rachman - No Contest

Samuel Peter - Lost

Samuel Peter - Lost

Hasim Rachman - Draw

John Ruiz - No Contest

Evander Holyfield - Won

Apart from holyfield, where are all these great Heavyweights?

Looking down his other fights cant really see anyone worth listing apart from beating Mike Mcullum, losing to Montel Griffin errr twice.

And losing near enough every round to Roy Jones JNR

Great aint he... even if they didnt stop him, Haye would...

Oh dear me..

You are digging your own hole.. anyone worth listing! Dont comment on things if your going off boxrec and havent seen and dont know about the incidents.. im not trying to be a jerk but please.. only express your opinions on fact.. I might seem like a jerk arguing with you but in all fairness there are guys on here so much worse that would be well harsh.

Urr.. lets see

Prince charles williams..

reggie johnson

Iran Barkley

Michael Nunn

In 2003 he was fighter of the year.. he beat visili jirov for the ibf cruiserweight title in one of the best and most skillful fights i have ever seen.. He not only beat evander but for one he was a massive underdog and stopped evander holyfield which only riddick bowe had done up to that point!.. and toney is a middleweight.. and people say evander was past it evander was past it.. but he still went on to beat some tough guys and earn another world title shot and still hasnt been stopped since!..
toney wore him down in a master peice..

and how i can tell for one that you havent seen these fights or havent been informed enough on these boxing matters is that toney has been robbed of decisions he deserved his entire career

he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..

Like i said.. its not an arguement or any bad blood here..

im just trying to educate you and express my opinion as you are to me with your own opinion.. but i personally believe that my opinions are based on more fact then yours..

and i only ranted like this because you questioned toney's competition.

Peace

Evander was past irt

Iran Barkley wasnt Elite

nor was redggie Johnson

nor was michael nunn



and you copuld only pick 3 out of his entire career

shame...

[Shroomy]

he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..




thats like me saying oscar won both fights against moseley

or oscar beat trinidad

end of the day the records show they didnt...

[Tito BHB]

he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..




thats like me saying oscar won both fights against moseley

or oscar beat trinidad

end of the day the records show they didnt...

No.. beacuse real fight fans will know..

and plus trinidad did beat oscar!.. lol and oscar only won the second mosely fight.

Are you kidding me.. Iran barkley and nunn not elite.. Your wrong..

What and Haye IS elite?!

And three names from his period of middle and super middle..

on top of all the names at heavyweight, light heavyweight that you mentioned yourself

i mentioned the ones you didnt not all of them

[Shroomy]

he won BOTH montell griffin fights clearly..
He won the first samuel peter fight clearly..
and in my opinion a hell of a lot of his split decisions were unanimous wins for him. should have been..




thats like me saying oscar won both fights against moseley

or oscar beat trinidad

end of the day the records show they didnt...

No.. beacuse real fight fans will know..

and plus trinidad did beat oscar!.. lol and oscar only won the second mosely fight.

Are you kidding me.. Iran barkley and nunn not elite.. Your wrong..

What and Haye IS elite?!

And three names from his period of middle and super middle..

on top of all the names at heavyweight, light heavyweight that you mentioned yourself

i mentioned the ones you didnt not all of them

right so i am not a proper boxing fan because i do not agree with YOUR opinion?

All those heavyweights are not elite, they are second rate, apart from a SHOT Holyfield, the rest wouldnt have lived in the era of tyson lewis, bowe, etc


nunn and barkley are very very good, but not elite, calzaghe would have had them for breakfast


where are the rest of these so called good fighters, after he lost to roy jones most of his fights were against poor opposition

[Tito BHB]

Fine.. heres your list.

Michael Nunn

Mike Mccullum x3

Iran Barkley

Tim littles

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Charles Williams

Roy Jones Jr These three fights in a row!

Montell Griffin
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Montell griffin 2

Vasiliy Jirov

Evander holyfield

John Ruiz

Hasim Rahman X 2

Samuel Peter x2

That is 17 legitimate big name challenging fights, world class.. 5 of those fighters were undefeated at the time when toney fought them.

3 major world titles, Should have been four, the heavyweight title.. and thats an accomplishment only two middlweights have ever gotten in the past.. fought in every weight class from middleweight to heavyweight..fighting the best, ducking nobody, Knocked down legitimately once 17 years ago in a fight he won.. When he signed to fight roy jones he was p4p number 1.. he has a masturful style and is one of the biggest characters in the history of boxing and you question his competition!..

He is a great plain and simple..

If he is not a great then no one is.

[Tito BHB]

Plus in my honest opinion..

Ruiz.. Okay he tested positive for steriods.. but a guy lie ruiz who also is a heavyweight veteran having fought a hell of alot of the best guys through this generation.. got schooled by toney.. Steriods dont give you skills and counter rights like toney was hammering ruiz with..
But there is no excuse for steriods whether toney was aware of having these inside of him i dont know.. he claims to have not taken them willingly.

Sam peter 1 - robbery blatantly toney's fight.

hasim rahman 1 +2

one he etched out for me .. honestly.. it might sound like i say it cause im a fan but i really think he won it.

and two.. well i have said the entire time.. bad luck he got cut.. it wasnt that bad.. fighters have gone on with less..
i put the decision down to idiocy and lack of heart from rahman..
firstly he had no heart to fight on after toney started doing well.. he figured that oh i'll get out the easy way and have it Called a technical draw.. when the cut wasnt bad enough to stop and by him saying i cant see.. didnt mean the ref though it was bad enough and the doctor said he could have fought on but he didnt have the heart and wanted the easy way out so toney deserved to take that win.

[Shroomy]

Plus in my honest opinion..

Ruiz.. Okay he tested positive for steriods.. but a guy lie ruiz who also is a heavyweight veteran having fought a hell of alot of the best guys through this generation.. got schooled by toney.. Steriods dont give you skills and counter rights like toney was hammering ruiz with..
But there is no excuse for steriods whether toney was aware of having these inside of him i dont know.. he claims to have not taken them willingly.


hasim rahman 1 +2

one he etched out for me .. honestly.. it might sound like i say it cause im a fan but i really think he won it.

and two.. well i have said the entire time.. bad luck he got cut.. it wasnt that bad.. fighters have gone on with less..
i put the decision down to idiocy and lack of heart from rahman..
firstly he had no heart to fight on after toney started doing well.. he figured that oh i'll get out the easy way and have it Called a technical draw.. when the cut wasnt bad enough to stop and by him saying i cant see.. didnt mean the ref though it was bad enough and the doctor said he could have fought on but he didnt have the heart and wanted the easy way out so toney deserved to take that win.

Errr the guy is cheat, he took steroids, and he didnt willingly know, these guys have people around them that work with that stuff everyday, the top nutritionists anmd physicians, either they are thick, or very bad at what they do, but most people know if they are taking steroids.

So he is either a thick or a cheat and a lier , i would say all three

sam peter

check the records mate he lost...

bad luck he got cut?

no he got cut, that happens in boxing, check the records it was a NC

ok