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Totally different Frank Bruno lost to James Smith who could punch and won a World title, and give some of the better Heavyweights good arguments. Plus Frank Bruno won almost every round against James Smith until he got caught in the last round by a lucky punch and then got pounded along the ropes until he crumbled, Frank Bruno never had a bad chin he just didn't have survival instincts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
After what happened I think he's got to go down the british title route and fight the likes of Thaxton , Murray , Earl etc.
Ideally I'd like to see him do what Nigel Benn did after he lost to Michael Watson. Head over to the USA and fight some seasoned yet not to remarkable Americans without to much exposure. He'll get his confidence back and he'd learn a lot from the fights and the sparring there without as much of the immense pressure he has every time he steps into the ring here.
Problem is Khan is now virtually the only Ace in Warrens hand and he's going to be even more over protective of Khan now than he was before.
I don't go for this got caught cold stuff as an excuse. Khan didn't go into the fight with a game plan (well not a good one anyway) and he paid for it big time.
Is he chinny.... maybe a little but it was his defence or lack there of that cost him the KO this time.
For the record I think Khan would beat Thaxton with his speed. Had the fight taken place a year ago Thaxton would have probably stopped him.
Bruno was no also ran or loser. He lost only to the very best. The era he fought in with Witherspoon, Tyson and Lennox Lewis was lightyears ahead of todays crop and he was competitive with all of them except Tyson and he even rocked him in their first fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Is that a route most fighters want to take? Being known as an also ran or loveable loser? :-\
If Bruno was around today he'd be a world champ without question. He'd blow away most of todays fighters, and of the domestic scene Williams, Skelton and Harrison, none of them would make it past 6 rounds with him.
If either Lewis, Witherspoon or Tyson were in their primes I'd bet all three could unify the current mediocre division, no shame in Bruno losing to them.
Yeah I agree Ice, by the way is that your girl? She's a fox :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBTotally different Frank Bruno lost to James Smith who could punch and won a World title, and give some of the better Heavyweights good arguments. Plus Frank Bruno won almost every round against James Smith until he got caught in the last round by a lucky punch and then got pounded along the ropes until he crumbled, Frank Bruno never had a bad chin he just didn't have survival instincts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I agree but he should have done this in the first place, not Earl though as he beat him comfortably last timeQuote:
Originally Posted by LeonardW12Hagler
good post mate i agree he does need a diffuclt fight to get him back on track but not to diffucltQuote:
Originally Posted by Shamrock
People are talking of him fighting Martin Gethin. I really hope he does and think (and hope) Gethin can beat him.
I think Gethin is a harder comeback fight than i thought they'd have (if it happens of course) considering he's coming off stopping Fewkes.Quote:
Originally Posted by saturday_kid
Expect Khan to win.. but he's obviously no certainty
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Originally Posted by plopeater
I could'nt say it better meself mate!That would be a cracker!!;DMind you if Murray beat Khan then Khan's career would be even more damaged,so even know i'd love to see the fight happen,i could not see it happening yet.
I can't see it happening at all whilst Khan is with WarrenQuote:
Originally Posted by yvonneQuote:
Originally Posted by plopeater
I could'nt say it better meself mate!That would be a cracker!!;DMind you if Murray beat Khan then Khan's career would be even more damaged,so even know i'd love to see the fight happen,i could not see it happening yet.
i think warren will be really protective over khan now wich i think will ruin any chance he has of getting near a world title
Same old storyQuote:
Originally Posted by leggy
Warren only has Khan left as a name fighter. The problem he has now is that Khan is signed to Sky and expected to fight on PPV. People will probably buy the first Khan comeback fight because either a) They want to see if he get's sparked again or b) they want to see how he reacts when/if he gets tagged with a decent shot. Most from the response to his loss will be for a) which is a shame.
If Warren babies Khan after the first fight back then any sensible fan will stick two fingers up to paying for his next fights which will put the Sky contract in danger forcing Warren to put Khan into a meaningful fight against a live opponent, Which to be honest is what Khan needs. There's no point him fighting tomato cans or road sweepers and padding his record only to get found out when he gets to the stage of fighting for something meaningful. Khan needs a test, learning fights because he has not developed as a pro, especially with his defence.
As for the talk of Bruno... I liked Frank. In the ring he was genuine, he gave a 100%, had a good if slow jab and hit like a mule. On the down side he was slow and lacked altheticism. I wouldn't say he was chinnt because he took shots from Tyson and Lewis that would have put a lot of heavweights straight to sleep. Bruno's problem was one simmilar to Tommy Hearns - when he got hit and hurt he had no natural instinct on what to do. Normally a fighter can hold on or spoil until his head clears but Bruno didn't have that. When he got hurt the whole ball game went to sh*t and he was there for the taking. He had heart though and if only he'd had a bit more fighting instinct to follow up after the left hook that rattled Tyson to his shoes and the overhand right that had Lennox's leg doing strange things could have changed the face of heavweight history. Instead though he was idolised by the British public for being a gallant loser (until winning the title against Oliver 'nutcase' McCall.
This leads to the most frustrating issue of the British fight fan. This tendancy to love the guy who try's and fails. It's a trait that I don't see from any other Nation. We had Eubank unbeaten and winning the title in a fercoucios battle with Benn loathed by his home country fans. Eubank did not start getting general support or just recognition until he lost !!! The same with Naseem Hamed (although he lost and never really came back...).
It takes a certain level of self belief bordering or often passing to arrogance to be a winner and for whatever reason the British public can't stomach that. We need to overcome that hurdle and start getting behind the winners as much as we as support the losers.
Is it really still the case (if it ever was) that Brits don't like winners? I think it just comes down to personality. As you said (Shamrock) -winners normally share an unwavering win mentality, arrogance, that doesn't make them appeal, which is probably the reason people don't want to celebrate their success.
Eubank played the role of villian. Naz was as equally liked as disliked, wasn't he?
Did people really love Bruno more because of his defeats?
Lennox Lewis had an "American" accent and was the opposite of Bruno personality wise.
Hatton was a win machine "everyone" loved. He seems to have lost fans since his defeat.