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Good matchup, Pascal looked very vulnerable the last I saw him against Pittman but he may well have learned from that and picked up a few things. He has a hell of a lot more talent and potential than Froch, just not sure what he can do with it. Pick em fight for me, if it goes the distance Pascal should win.
I must say I quite like Froch. He has got his big chance quite late but he still has time to make a big impression on the boxing world. I believe he will take it with both hands and be quite a force to be reckoned with in the SMW division.
Exciting and ironic , Froch fights for the world title and gets his bus pass all in one day , exciting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
so what if hes old? whats the matter with being an older fighter? hes gained the experience he needed for the fight and now hes truelly ready. your making it out as if hes like 40 odd, thats old! 31 isnt too old, hes got at least another 4-5 good solid years in him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlExciting and ironic , Froch fights for the world title and gets his bus pass all in one day , exciting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
and what happened to Conamayor last weekend? ;D Hes not a fraud at all,hes ready for this and hes going to win the title! any fighter carl froch gets in with will have problems. Hes just too powerful and applies too much pressure. Dodson might have been guns blazing for 1 or 2 rounds but he got caught, and thats what will happen to any fighter carl gets in with. Its the timing of the punches that make it count for Carl and once he has them in trouble he ends it with a knockout reeling style!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseA man who's stepped in the ring with Bernard Hopkins 2, Kelly Pavlik 2 and Winky Wright ducked Carl Fraud? A 31 year old prospect. :LOLATYOU: That's just idiotic. Fraud is just that. A fraud. Anybody that thinks Frauds come forward with your hands down, throwing upper cuts from the outside style would work against an elite fighter doesn't know Boxing. It's that simple. Fraud is a knock out waiting to happen. Yeah he might beat Pascal. But so what. Pascal is a heartless coward anyway. Why you think Pascal-Miranda never happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Bring on anybody at 168
Casamayor lost to Marquez. A pound for pound fighter. When you fight great fighters on a regular basis like Casamayor does the possibility of losing is there. Something Fraud knows nothing about. Cuz he don't fight great fighters. And don't even try and pump up Pascal as being more than he really is. What he is, is a coward who punked out against Miranda. If Fraud beats him it would be no big deal. If Pascal beats Fraud it would be no big deal either. But fighters are overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonand what happened to Conamayor last weekend? ;D Hes not a fraud at all,hes ready for this and hes going to win the title! any fighter carl froch gets in with will have problems. Hes just too powerful and applies too much pressure. Dodson might have been guns blazing for 1 or 2 rounds but he got caught, and thats what will happen to any fighter carl gets in with. Its the timing of the punches that make it count for Carl and once he has them in trouble he ends it with a knockout reeling style!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseA man who's stepped in the ring with Bernard Hopkins 2, Kelly Pavlik 2 and Winky Wright ducked Carl Fraud? A 31 year old prospect. :LOLATYOU: That's just idiotic. Fraud is just that. A fraud. Anybody that thinks Frauds come forward with your hands down, throwing upper cuts from the outside style would work against an elite fighter doesn't know Boxing. It's that simple. Fraud is a knock out waiting to happen. Yeah he might beat Pascal. But so what. Pascal is a heartless coward anyway. Why you think Pascal-Miranda never happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Bring on anybody at 168
But in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCasamayor lost to Marquez. A pound for pound fighter. When you fight great fighters on a regular basis like Casamayor does the possibility of losing is there. Something Fraud knows nothing about. Cuz he don't fight great fighters. And don't even try and pump up Pascal as being more than he really is. What he is, is a coward who punked out against Miranda. If Fraud beats him it would be no big deal. If Pascal beats Fraud it would be no big deal either. But fighters are overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonand what happened to Conamayor last weekend? ;D Hes not a fraud at all,hes ready for this and hes going to win the title! any fighter carl froch gets in with will have problems. Hes just too powerful and applies too much pressure. Dodson might have been guns blazing for 1 or 2 rounds but he got caught, and thats what will happen to any fighter carl gets in with. Its the timing of the punches that make it count for Carl and once he has them in trouble he ends it with a knockout reeling style!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Bring on anybody at 168
I think it's more of you overrating him cuz he's a UK fighter. Which is nothing new. It wasn't to long ago that a certain poster here, who I ain't going to name (Leftylee) who swore up and down Paul Shiit (Smith) was a future champion. I think it's become pretty clear that Shiit will never be a champion. Look at all the undeserved hype A Mere Con got. Con still ain't found all his teeth yet. Your doing the same thing with Fraud. You make him seem like he's some kind of wrecking machine with little to no faults. When in reality is he's far from a wrecking machine. And he has a ton of faults. You either don't know how to pick up on them. Are blinded by your lust for him. Or your just straight ignoring them for whatever reasons. Bottom line is Fraud, like Shiit and Con has done nothing in his career. As soon as he faces a top fighter he will get knocked out. And no Pascal is not a type fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonBut in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCasamayor lost to Marquez. A pound for pound fighter. When you fight great fighters on a regular basis like Casamayor does the possibility of losing is there. Something Fraud knows nothing about. Cuz he don't fight great fighters. And don't even try and pump up Pascal as being more than he really is. What he is, is a coward who punked out against Miranda. If Fraud beats him it would be no big deal. If Pascal beats Fraud it would be no big deal either. But fighters are overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI think it's more of you overrating him cuz he's a UK fighter. Which is nothing new. It wasn't to long ago that a certain poster here, who I ain't going to name (Leftylee) who swore up and down Paul Shiit (Smith) was a future champion. I think it's become pretty clear that Shiit will never be a champion. Look at all the undeserved hype A Mere Con got. Con still ain't found all his teeth yet. Your doing the same thing with Fraud. You make him seem like he's some kind of wrecking machine with little to no faults. When in reality is he's far from a wrecking machine. And he has a ton of faults. You either don't know how to pick up on them. Are blinded by your lust for him. Or your just straight ignoring them for whatever reasons. Bottom line is Fraud, like Shiit and Con has done nothing in his career. As soon as he faces a top fighter he will get knocked out. And no Pascal is not a type fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonBut in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I can say that this is a very valid argument. I will also admit that I too thought Paul Smith to be a future title holder prior to te contender... I think I may have been wrong;D:owned:
Your comparing three fighters as if they are all bound to meet the same fate? That doesnt make sense at all. Carl Froch hasnt done anything to suggest hes a fraud, hes won every fight in mostly knockout fashion and NEVER been knocked down. Hes shown he can also take a dig, which is a bit more than Amir Khan can do! Paul Smith just simply underestimated the fighter and he paid the price for it. He wasnt up for the fight be I can guarentee 9 times out 10 Paul would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI think it's more of you overrating him cuz he's a UK fighter. Which is nothing new. It wasn't to long ago that a certain poster here, who I ain't going to name (Leftylee) who swore up and down Paul Shiit (Smith) was a future champion. I think it's become pretty clear that Shiit will never be a champion. Look at all the undeserved hype A Mere Con got. Con still ain't found all his teeth yet. Your doing the same thing with Fraud. You make him seem like he's some kind of wrecking machine with little to no faults. When in reality is he's far from a wrecking machine. And he has a ton of faults. You either don't know how to pick up on them. Are blinded by your lust for him. Or your just straight ignoring them for whatever reasons. Bottom line is Fraud, like Shiit and Con has done nothing in his career. As soon as he faces a top fighter he will get knocked out. And no Pascal is not a type fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonBut in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Carl is my favourite fighter, im not not blinded, i just tend to support him because thats what people do who follow their fighter. Either way, all question are going to be answered in the next year because I can see Carl getting a fight with Mikkel Kessler, Librando Andrade, Lucian Bute or maybe even Kelly Pavlik. The more elite fighters at 168. If he does get sparked out, i wont be a little bitch and make up all of the excuses under the sun. Im not like that at all, all im saying is Carl Froch has the potential to be a great fighter and you should recognise that.
I dont think that Carl has the big power that you think he does Tam.
Robin Reid had a very sturdy chin in his day and if Froch had done that back then it would have been impressive but after what Lacy did with him a couple of years before it was almost inevitable, I wanted to give Reid every chance and looked at all the positives for him.
Froch has looked as if he has good power because the fighters he has fought have basicly been there for the taking, Magee, he stopped but thats another thing, his accuracy aint very good because even an old Reid had Magee down 4 times, it took Froch nearly to the end of the fight to make a dent.
Frochs last opponent came in at very short notice and Carl couldnt put him down even though he was landing quite often.
Like ive said, Carl will find it difficult upping his comp this late, he hasnt had to learn to deal with pressure or someone who0 can fight back yet basiclly and I see him getting hurt by Pascal, maybe not stopped but if he tries that low guard shit here I do see him eating some big shots, Pascal is quite sharp and has been active, 7 fights since the start of 07 compared to Carls 3, he doesnt ahve much power but Carl will help him find the target;D
Didn't you (and your present sig) say the same thing about 2008?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonBut in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCasamayor lost to Marquez. A pound for pound fighter. When you fight great fighters on a regular basis like Casamayor does the possibility of losing is there. Something Fraud knows nothing about. Cuz he don't fight great fighters. And don't even try and pump up Pascal as being more than he really is. What he is, is a coward who punked out against Miranda. If Fraud beats him it would be no big deal. If Pascal beats Fraud it would be no big deal either. But fighters are overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Wasn't the same crap coming out of his mouth in 2007, 2006?
IMO he's happy with his comp so far as it can leave him happy in coocoo land where the reality of his limitations hasn't hit him yet. He's a decent fighter, but is not genuine world class.
but if you followed carl froch you would realise that Dennis Inkin pulled out, TWICE ! and there was a lot of waiting for who was going to fight him for the vacant belt. It was either Jermain Taylor or Jean Pascal and it took a while for the WBC to sort that out. Either way, hes got the shot and he has been delayed but its not his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompDidn't you (and your present sig) say the same thing about 2008?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonBut in 2009 Carl will be fighting these high profiled fighters. Jean Pascal is the start of good things to come. Carl isnt a Fraud, its just your arragonce towards British fighters that makes you believe he is. But hes going to be world champion on 6th Dec and going to be the man to be at 168!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Wasn't the same crap coming out of his mouth in 2007, 2006?
IMO he's happy with his comp so far as it can leave him happy in coocoo land where the reality of his limitations hasn't hit him yet. He's a decent fighter, but is not genuine world class.
To say carl has not got punching power is the stupidest comment ive heard today. All i can say is, its a matter of time until the fight and we will see what happens. But Jean will be stopped in the fight and it will be in good knockout fashion ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
That's his excuse for 2008, which is fair enough, but he's talking crap for a long time and his opposition simply doesn't warrant it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddonbut if you followed carl froch you would realise that Dennis Inkin pulled out, TWICE ! and there was a lot of waiting for who was going to fight him for the vacant belt. It was either Jermain Taylor or Jean Pascal and it took a while for the WBC to sort that out. Either way, hes got the shot and he has been delayed but its not his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompDidn't you (and your present sig) say the same thing about 2008?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Wasn't the same crap coming out of his mouth in 2007, 2006?
IMO he's happy with his comp so far as it can leave him happy in coocoo land where the reality of his limitations hasn't hit him yet. He's a decent fighter, but is not genuine world class.
Hopefully we'll find out soon enough, if he's remotely world class he should batter Pascal, so with a belt he may be able to persuade better opposition to the table. I think Kessler could be a possibility for a unification, but he'll have trouble persuading Taylor to come over, especially for a challengers purse.