Re: Was Mosley even 50% of what he was against Cotto?
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Bah Baldomir was 163 against Mayweather weighed in at 149, and Mayweather comprehensively outboxed him over 12 rounds, and Baldomir is a much better schooled fighter than Mayorga, and he still couldn't do anything. Oscar must have weighed in 10-15 pounds heavier then MAyweather as well, and Mayweather totally negated his physical advantages. Roy fought larger LHW's and made them look a lot worse than him like Virgill Hill. I am criticizing Mosley for not fighting those type of fights against Mayorga when he should be able to.
It's kind of ironic then that the entire HBO team, virtually everyone on here and all the other media 'experts' roundly criticised Floyd's performance against Baldimor as wholly negative and uninspired. I remember Merchant and Steward saying that any truly 'great' fighter would engage with Baldomir and go for the knockout, try and make it entertaining for the fans.
Yet Mosely does exactly that and you think he should have stayed on the outside and boxed Mayorga, giving us another insipid Mayweather Baldimor type fight.
Interesting.......but I think I know what type of fight most fight fans would want to see.:rolleyes:
Oh and one more thing, If Mayorga and Baldomir ever fight, my money is on Mayorga absolutley kicking Baldy's ass :)
Good post.
Mayorga would bitch-stomp Baldo.
Re: Was Mosley even 50% of what he was against Cotto?
. . . . and would Floyd have knocked Mayorga cold like Shane did last night ?
No chance .
Re: Was Mosley even 50% of what he was against Cotto?
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Quite simple why YOU think SSM looked bad....
2 things....
1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights
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Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.
Styles do make fights and even a middling boxer takes Mayorga to school. If you didnt see Shane totally neglect his jab and just try and bomb everything you must be blind ;D
Maybe Shane just cannot box and move anymore.
Did he neglect his jab in the 10th, 11th, and 12th, particularly the 11th when he snapped Mayorga's head back several times and stopped him in his tracks a couple more times.
Mosley has a unique style. He's boxer-puncher, but not a boxer-puncher in the typical mould, like an Arguello, a Pavlik, a Forrest. He's part brawler, but unlike most brawlers, he has defense and counters extremely well. He adapts during fights.
Mosley is who is he is. He hasn't been a "box and move" fighter for almost 10 years.
Shane has/had superb footwork maybe his legs have gone and thats the reason he stands and trades more.
Re: Was Mosley even 50% of what he was against Cotto?
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Styles do make fights and even a middling boxer takes Mayorga to school. If you didnt see Shane totally neglect his jab and just try and bomb everything you must be blind ;D
Maybe Shane just cannot box and move anymore.
Did he neglect his jab in the 10th, 11th, and 12th, particularly the 11th when he snapped Mayorga's head back several times and stopped him in his tracks a couple more times.
Mosley has a unique style. He's boxer-puncher, but not a boxer-puncher in the typical mould, like an Arguello, a Pavlik, a Forrest. He's part brawler, but unlike most brawlers, he has defense and counters extremely well. He adapts during fights.
Mosley is who is he is. He hasn't been a "box and move" fighter for almost 10 years.
Shane has/had superb footwork maybe his legs have gone and thats the reason he stands and trades more.
I dont think he was standing too much vs Collazo and Vargas the 2nd time and they were only a couple of fights agao . I just think its a case of horses for courses. Mayorga weighed 10lbs more than him and he wanted a K.O . Props to him for fighting the way he did.
Re: Was Mosley even 50% of what he was against Cotto?
At Shanes time of life, expereriance takes over Technique, plus He showed a big pair of Balls in there and Focus Mayorga style wise was a Nightmare. ;D
Re: Was Mosley even 50% of what he was against Cotto?
His footwork is slower, for sure, but he still has great balance. That allows him to stand and trade with guys like Mayorga, make Mayorga miss, and land meaningful, crisp counters. He stays right in the pocket. He has to chose his spots for movement more, of course the legs have slowed. One problem that he had with Cotto is that Cotto keeps great balance in the pocket trading, so he was able it hit Shane in those exchanges and also make Shane miss. That's why Shane had to adjust strategy and it won him a bunch of middle round, until Cotto made is own adjustments. It was a prettier fight to watch because both guys are sound technical fighters and good thinkers in the ring. A young Mosley would have won that fight - look how close old Mosley came!
Mayorga on the other hand, is totally off balance, so it made sense for Shane to stay in the pocket, block, slip, and counter, because you know that Mayorga will always be open at the end of his combos because he's so off-balance and fundamentally unsound. Mosley would have been playing to Mayorga's advantage to be on his bike the whole time. Staying in the pocket and backing Mayorga up with counters won him the fight. It wasn't as pretty and it make Mosley look like an older fighter, but it was the right way to fight Mayorga. That's basically how Oscar took care of him, but Oscar is bigger, has a much better jab, and he has better one shot power. So it happened faster. Same result.
