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If Wladmir were to beat Hay I'd still think he was boring and await the person who was going to dethrone him. I don't hate Wlad I just find him boring and unwatchable, he is part of the reason boxing is in the state it is now no one is interested in these big boring heavyweights.
So piye you see Wlad the way a lot of people saw Lennox Lewis during his reign or Evander Holyfield during his time on top. Whatever keeps people watching the sport...either you're pulling for someone or against someone.
I always hope that Wlad goes back to throwing more punches but when he's fighting smart he is less vulnerable and he 100% controls and dominates the fight and people may find that boring but as a fan of his I like it....it's less for me to worry about but yeah I'd love to see him blast Rahman from the first second of the fight to the brutal end...but Wlad is more comfortable fighting his style....I am most interested in seeing Wladimir get KO wins when he should...even I was disappointed at the Sultan fight, but the Thompson fight looked a lot better to me but then everyone says "Thompson had no heart"....Wlad threw lots of punches, he even went to the body, he got hit a lot and he won by knockout.
Sure Haye will be exciting but he's extremely vulnerable just the way Wlad was earlier in his career. Haye will either start to fight smarter or he's going to suffer multiple losses soon.
The third knockdown? The one that would have seen him knockout Wladimer after he got up if the bell didn't save him?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie
Samuel Peter knocked down Wladimir Klitschko with rabbit shots not chin shots, i can't think of many flush chin shots Samuel Peter landed in the entire fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWladimir has addressed any issues with his chin by #1 Getting up 3 times and beating Sam Peter and #2 His defense has improved by leaps and bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie
The way people have beaten Wlad I can only see Haye winning one way and that's just by catching him flush early in a round and following up enough to stop the fight. There is no fucking way on Earth David Haye beats Wladimir the way Purrity or Brewster beat him....Haye can't take those kinds of big punches and still be there to keep fighting back.
David Haye got hit too much by Monte Barrett and Haye also left himself wide open to be countered. I think a fighter like Sultan Ibragimov would eat Haye alive right now.
Wladimer would take out Haye, because I can't see Haye trying anything but swinging for the fences
No as I have always been a fan of Lennox and his amount of exciting fight far out way the contest s where he was boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I specifically compared the way YOU see Wladimir to the way OTHER PEOPLE saw Lewis or Holyfield.
And plenty of people thought Lennox was boring....all I am saying is sometimes "You don't know what you've got til it's gone"
Haye might very well lose, but he's got a legitimate shot at either brother. Moreso Wlad than Vitali, I think. I could see him winning, but I can't see him stopping Vitali. For me, the key to the winner is mobility. The Klitschkos aren't dancemasters in the ring, but they command the space through their wingspan, ample footwork, great height, and ranginess.
Haye needs to get the bombs consistently to the detonation site, but his footwork and balance falter down the stretch. His chin will be tested, and if he doesn't have the mobility, he's screwed. We know he has the handspeed, but the hands need to get within proper range to utilize that handspeed.
I should have said "command the ring space---ring area". I know people probably know what I meant, but I didn't want to come across as incomprehensible. :D
Oh my mistake! You are right but there is little comparison between Wlad and Lennox other than both being perceived as boring. The fact is when LEwis was atop the boxing world everyone boxing fan or not new who the heavyweight champion of the world was. this is no longer the case; the klitscho's are not to blame for this however I think for the 'glamor' division of boxing to return to greatness we need to destroy and rebuild. Which ultimately means those at the top must go and be replaced by something exciting! Something that will sell & the noon diehard can and will relate to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Haye TKO8 W. Klit
V. Klit TKO7 Haye
nuff said
If Haye Fights Vitali he is basically got no chance in my eyes.
If Haye fights Wladimir its 50/50 wlads chin is no where near the level of his bro vitali
I love how everyone says Wlad's chin is the big issue how about HAYE's chin??? Wlad is more controlled and more accurate with his punches and I dare say he's got a lot more power than Haye.
I love how you have jumped on the Haye bandwagon deep down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Admit it Lyle :p
...yeah right I will NEVER support Haye*
* Unless Haye fights John Ruiz
Yeah exactly. That's what i was going to say. Don't remember him landing a clean shot. Wlad arse almost fell out that night. I definitely see him panicking if Haye clips him. Of course Wlad has the power to KO Haye but if Haye lands early, i see Wlad not coming out of his shell much enough to do any damage.....or completely falling apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupieSamuel Peter knocked down Wladimir Klitschko with rabbit shots not chin shots, i can't think of many flush chin shots Samuel Peter landed in the entire fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWladimir has addressed any issues with his chin by #1 Getting up 3 times and beating Sam Peter and #2 His defense has improved by leaps and bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie
The way people have beaten Wlad I can only see Haye winning one way and that's just by catching him flush early in a round and following up enough to stop the fight. There is no fucking way on Earth David Haye beats Wladimir the way Purrity or Brewster beat him....Haye can't take those kinds of big punches and still be there to keep fighting back.
David Haye got hit too much by Monte Barrett and Haye also left himself wide open to be countered. I think a fighter like Sultan Ibragimov would eat Haye alive right now.
I think he loses to both.
He has a better chance against Wlad imo though.