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Considering most fans compile their lists based on acomplishments and quality of opposition, Hatton definitely gets a raw deal in the P4P lists, not just by most fans but The Ring itself.
His last 8 fights have all been against top 10 Ring ranked fighters at 140 and 147. Including three top 10 P4P-ers.
That pisses all over certain other fighters that qualify.
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I was making a serious point. Didn't want the "fact" to dilute it. Cheers for pointing it out though. Fact. ;DQuote:
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Originally Posted by leftyleeYep.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnkso because Hatton beat Kosta and then lost to PBF and then beat Paulie he should be ahead of Vic.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Vic got destoryed by a mere contender at the time Nonito Donaire.
Hatton got beat by the best boxer on the planet.
Who has Vic beat in higher regard than Hatton ?
I'd rather have Kosta Tszyu on my record that Cristian Mijares WITHOUT DOUBT.
jmm
jc
hopkins
israel
rafa
williams
margarito
those top 8 are like 1,2,3,4 they had such close matches. i think this is the only time in boxing history that the top eight are rival pairs. :D
calderon
nonito
i can't see why vic will be top ten and nonito who dominated him from the first bell then ktfo him isn't?
Cotto and Hatton both got drop and gotta lean back ;D
hatton isn't even a p4p fighter though, he just a 140lb fighter. p4p are suppose to be guys with real skill that do move up in weight classes. we all know hattons natural weight class should be above 140. but he has no choice, i dont think he can compete above 140lbs. :p it'll be suicide to go down to 135 as well, not only will he be drain but guys like jmm are there ;D
And Margarito? Moved up in weight got beat, Hatton moved up and won a world title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
thats why tony is 8 and hatton is just outside 10, imo fighters that usually stays in one weight get less credit then guys that move up. one of the meaning of p4p is having the ability to move up. Sure tony and hatton has that ability but they chose not to right? and thats why they are rank where they are. i could even put calderon above tony but cotto was such a big win for anybody really.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisAnd Margarito? Moved up in weight got beat, Hatton moved up and won a world title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
This thread illustrates perfectly why these lists are so stupid. Who the hell knows whether Hatton should or shouldn't be above Cotto at this point. I think Cotto has the slightly more impressive wins over the last few years, since Hatton beat Tszyu no doubt. For me I feel Cotto is a slightly more talented fighter who would fare better were they to face an array of similar opposition. But what the hell do I know? Also whoever said Hatton deserves to be ahead of Cotto on the basis of Miguel losing to 'the one dimensional Margarito', let's see how Hatton would handle that dimension at 147:rolleyes: As if even his own family wouldn't expect him to get stopped just as soon.
Good points. both Hatton and Marg are there or there abouts. You can stay in the same division and still be a top p4per in my opinion, if you utterly dominate it and beat p4pers who come up, but neither have got this criteria IMO. Currently I'd put Marg higher than Hatton since his win over Cotto is better and more recent than the things Hatton have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats why tony is 8 and hatton is just outside 10, imo fighters that usually stays in one weight get less credit then guys that move up. one of the meaning of p4p is having the ability to move up. Sure tony and hatton has that ability but they chose not to right? and thats why they are rank where they are. i could even put calderon above tony but cotto was such a big win for anybody really.Quote:
Originally Posted by MemphisAnd Margarito? Moved up in weight got beat, Hatton moved up and won a world title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Of course, you have to take into account the competition before eliminating someone from the top 10. I cant stand Hattonmania (the prick even has a football bloopers DVD) but overall on achievement he's done more than Williams (due to the Quintana loss) to be there, even though Williams IMO has potential to do way more in his career. It also depends how much you rank skill and potential compared to results made, as p4p seems to be some sort of combination of both.
1. Pacquiao
Calazghe
Vazquez
JMMarquez
Hatton
Margarito
Donaire
Darchinyan
Cotto
Campbell
11. Abraham
Ya that's right! Campbell and Abraham.