Updated P4P Top 10

[kingfrnk]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.

And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.

You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?

Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

i wouldnt call Paulie "world class" he might be #2 in the division but he has lost his 2 biggest fights and only beat Ndou and then gave him a rematch which he shouldnt have. now he has to fight Holt, Torres, or Bradley and i see him losing to those guys aswell.

[ICB]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.

And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.

You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?

Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

JLC got a gift decision before his fight with Ricky Hatton, he looked like a shot fighter in that fight and he was. Thats why i didn't mention him he was a badly faded fighter and based on his recent performances, it proves my point.

Paul Malignaggi ain't a bad fighter but world class ? no way he was lucky he didn't have 3 losses coming into the Ricky Hatton fight, the Jr Welterweight division is so poor at the moment, it speaks volumes that JLC could get a number 2 ranking only having 1 fight at that weight class, and someone of Paul Malignaggi's class getting a number 2 rating also proves how weak the division is.

I actually can't think of many weaker divisions, maybe the Jr Middleweight division but thats it.

[ICB]

ICB

Thats about the most accurate list you can find

Hatton above cotto, Vasquez....

Definitely...Miguel got outclassed by a guy who was barely in the top 10 compared to ricky who got beat by the very best in the world

And Vasquez already has a good few errors on his record to consider him completely unstopable!!

I take it you didn't watch the Cotto fight. He was well ahead on the cards but got stopped. He was in no shape or form outclassed!

I take it you never watched the fight!

It was dead level going into those last 2 and cotto just wanted it more

The only way you can compare cotto and hatton at the moment is how they both dealt with malignaggi, ricky won at a canter, cotto had to settle for 115-112 narrow points win.


ICB - The comparisons between what you just made for vasquez i could make the very same for hatton.

Israel has beaten the best in his division, so has hatton. Only with far lesser trouble and more defining.

Hatton only has 1 real blemish on his entire career which has involved fighting world class opposition for a good few years now!!

Israel Vasquez is in one of the strongest divisions at the moment, Ricky Hatton is in one of the weakest divisions big difference.

[Memphis]

I hate to regurgitate the whole 'what makes world class' arguement but both guys were rated number 2 by ring magazine, the same magazine ranking that your using to boulster your point about Israel Vasquez, you cant have it both ways.

If everyone else should fall in line because ring magazine rates Vasquez number 5 P4P then everyone should follow suit with Castillo and Malignaggi being world class.

It would make more sense to just say you dont personally rate them.

[leftylee]

Adam you have to be serious.

The heavyweight division is far worse that jr-welterweight.

You got Dr Slap at the top fighting faggot ass mandatories. Then you got a 7ft slow ass Nikolai Valuev fighting the 46yr old Evander Holyfield for the WBA strap

The only exciting fighter in that division is David Haye who's had one fight, maybe Chris Arreola as well.

It's a joke.

[kingfrnk]

Israel Vasquez is considered top 5 P4P by Ring Magazine, and by 95 percent of fans. Having him at number 8 is laughable just laughable. All of his losses except for the Rafael Marquez one were years ago, you obviously don't know much about Israel Vasquez.

And you have just looked at his record seen those losses and rated him lower based on those losses, which is flawed logic. When you have to take into account the opposition he has been facing, and his opposition in the past few years has been very strong, and the fact he has only 1 loss in years despite the strength of his opposition lately, speaks volumes.

You have no Ivan Calderon, Rafael Marquez. Miguel Cotto was top 5 P4P at max so why has he only dropped two places ?

Ricky Hatton may have a good record stats wise, but what about his opposition ? Ricky Hatton has only fought 3 fighters who i consider world class. Luis Collazo, Kostya Tszyu, Floyd Mayweather.

Please don't insult my intelligence by saying thats the most accurate list i'll find, its actually one of the most poor top 10 P4P lists i've seen on this forum in quite some time.

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

Apparently Castillo can only be classed as world class up to the hatton fight at which point he gave in because he couldnt be bothered any more!!

And cotto softened up paulie for hatton

Seriously the hatton bias on here is unbelievable!!!!!!!!

nobody here is being bias.

i give credit to hatton for fighting the best in his division but the divison is kinda weak though. and paulie isnt exactly a threat to hatton even though i thought he would get a decision.

but ur p4p list is gay, u have Hatton over Vic and Vic actually beat a fighter that was actually on the P4P LIST.

[Memphis]

i wouldnt call Paulie "world class"

But Ring magazine and any other organisation that are allowed to rate him would, so whos right?

[leftylee]

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

Apparently Castillo can only be classed as world class up to the hatton fight at which point he gave in because he couldnt be bothered any more!!

And cotto softened up paulie for hatton

Seriously the hatton bias on here is unbelievable!!!!!!!!

nobody here is being bias.

i give credit to hatton for fighting the best in his division but the divison is kinda weak though. and paulie isnt exactly a threat to hatton even though i thought he would get a decision.

but ur p4p list is gay, u have Hatton over Vic and Vic actually beat a fighter that was actually on the P4P LIST.

You know how contadicting that sounds ?

[leftylee]

How are Malignaggi and Castillo not world class? Weren't both rated by Ring magazine as number 2 behind Hatton before he bashed them up?

Apparently Castillo can only be classed as world class up to the hatton fight at which point he gave in because he couldnt be bothered any more!!

And cotto softened up paulie for hatton

Seriously the hatton bias on here is unbelievable!!!!!!!!

nobody here is being bias.

i give credit to hatton for fighting the best in his division but the divison is kinda weak though. and paulie isnt exactly a threat to hatton even though i thought he would get a decision.

but ur p4p list is gay, u have Hatton over Vic and Vic actually beat a fighter that was actually on the P4P LIST.

Kosta was P4P number 2 when Hatton fought him

[kingfrnk]

i wouldnt call Paulie "world class"

But Ring magazine and any other organisation that are allowed to rate him would, so whos right?

hes might be world class in his own division. but not no more

but there are other fighters at 140 that he has never fought but Ndou thats it, theres atleast 4 fighters he could have fought but didnt so i wont call him world class until he beats some other fighters in his division thats if he can.

[kingfrnk]

Apparently Castillo can only be classed as world class up to the hatton fight at which point he gave in because he couldnt be bothered any more!!

And cotto softened up paulie for hatton

Seriously the hatton bias on here is unbelievable!!!!!!!!

nobody here is being bias.

i give credit to hatton for fighting the best in his division but the divison is kinda weak though. and paulie isnt exactly a threat to hatton even though i thought he would get a decision.

but ur p4p list is gay, u have Hatton over Vic and Vic actually beat a fighter that was actually on the P4P LIST.

Kosta was P4P number 2 when Hatton fought him

i get wat ur saying lefty but thats in the past and doesnt count anymore. and after Mayweather he wasnt on the list anymore. it all depends on wat you have done lately.

[leftylee]

nobody here is being bias.

i give credit to hatton for fighting the best in his division but the divison is kinda weak though. and paulie isnt exactly a threat to hatton even though i thought he would get a decision.

but ur p4p list is gay, u have Hatton over Vic and Vic actually beat a fighter that was actually on the P4P LIST.

Kosta was P4P number 2 when Hatton fought him

i get wat ur saying lefty but thats in the past and doesnt count anymore. and after Mayweather he wasnt on the list anymore. it all depends on wat you have done lately.

I diagree completely. P4P list are based on what you've done throughout your career, not recently. If it was recently wouldn't David Haye be top 10 P4P ?

Remember when Floyd Mayweather Jr was P4P number 1 not so long ago?

Well I remember people saying ahh Ricky Hatton is a 140 pounder and ODLH is past it, Carlos Baldomir is one dimensional etc (They are all true btw), Pac should be number 1.

Well people used his wins over Chavez, Castillo, Corrales etc to say he deserves number 1 as he had great wins from years ago.

You can't base P4P lists over recent perofrmances, it's what they've done THROUGHOUT there whole career since they became pro.

[kingfrnk]

Kosta was P4P number 2 when Hatton fought him

i get wat ur saying lefty but thats in the past and doesnt count anymore. and after Mayweather he wasnt on the list anymore. it all depends on wat you have done lately.

I diagree completely. P4P list are based on what you've done throughout your career, not recently. If it was recently wouldn't David Haye be top 10 P4P ?

Remember when Floyd Mayweather Jr was P4P number 1 not so long ago?

Well I remember people saying ahh Ricky Hatton is a 140 pounder and ODLH is past it, Carlos Baldomir is one dimensional etc (They are all true btw), Pac should be number 1.

Well people used his wins over Chavez, Castillo, Corrales etc to say he deserves number 1 as he had great wins from years ago.

You can't base P4P lists over recent perofrmances, it's what they've done THROUGHOUT there whole career since they became pro.

so because Hatton beat Kosta and then lost to PBF and then beat Paulie he should be ahead of Vic.

[Tysonbruno]

• 1. Manny Pacquiao
  
  Country: Philippines
  
  Record: 47-3-2 (36 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #1 | Last Week: #1 | Weeks On List: 260
  
  Titles: WBC
  
  Next Fight: 12/6/2008 vs. Oscar De La Hoya
• 2. Juan Manuel Marquez
  
  Country: Mexico
  
  Record: 49-4-1 (36 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #2 | Last Week: #2 | Weeks On List: 89
  
  Titles: The Ring
• 3. Joe Calzaghe
  
  Country: Wales
  
  Record: 46-0-0 (32 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #3 | Last Week: #3 | Weeks On List: 143
  
  Titles: The Ring
• 4. Bernard Hopkins
  
  Country: USA (Philadelphia, Pa.)
  
  Record: 49-5-1 (32 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #4 | Last Week: #4 | Weeks On List: 129
• 5. Israel Vazquez
  
  Country: Mexico
  
  Record: 43-4-0 (31 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #5 | Last Week: #5 | Weeks On List: 69
  
  Titles: WBC, The Ring
• 6. Antonio Margarito
  
  Country: Mexico
  
  Record: 37-5-0 (27 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #6 | Last Week: #6 | Weeks On List: 18
• 7. Rafael Marquez
  
  Country: Mexico
  
  Record: 37-5-0 (33 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #7 | Last Week: #7 | Weeks On List: 27
• 8. Miguel Cotto
  
  Country: Puerto Rico
  
  Record: 32-1-0 (26 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #8 | Last Week: #8 | Weeks On List: 77
• 9. Ivan Calderon
  
  Country: Puerto Rico
  
  Record: 32-0-0 (6 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #9 | Last Week: #9 | Weeks On List: 6
  
  Titles: WBO, The Ring
• 10. Ricky Hatton
  
  Country: England
  
  Record: 45-1-0 (32 KOs)
  
  Ranking: This Week: #10 | Last Week: - | Weeks On List: 1
  
  Titles: The Ring

Thats the P4P i can't see anything wrong with that and Hatton is back in it good stuff.

[leftylee]

i get wat ur saying lefty but thats in the past and doesnt count anymore. and after Mayweather he wasnt on the list anymore. it all depends on wat you have done lately.

I diagree completely. P4P list are based on what you've done throughout your career, not recently. If it was recently wouldn't David Haye be top 10 P4P ?

Remember when Floyd Mayweather Jr was P4P number 1 not so long ago?

Well I remember people saying ahh Ricky Hatton is a 140 pounder and ODLH is past it, Carlos Baldomir is one dimensional etc (They are all true btw), Pac should be number 1.

Well people used his wins over Chavez, Castillo, Corrales etc to say he deserves number 1 as he had great wins from years ago.

You can't base P4P lists over recent perofrmances, it's what they've done THROUGHOUT there whole career since they became pro.

so because Hatton beat Kosta and then lost to PBF and then beat Paulie he should be ahead of Vic.

Yep.

Vic got destoryed by a mere contender at the time Nonito Donaire.

Hatton got beat by the best boxer on the planet.

Who has Vic beat in higher regard than Hatton ?

I'd rather have Kosta Tszyu on my record that Cristian Mijares WITHOUT DOUBT.