Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
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Intesting observation Saddo, styles make fights and maybe JMM is made for Diaz' constant pressure game plan.
Who has the knockout edge?
JMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...
Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
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Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.;)
Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.
The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.
Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
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fan johnny
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Manuel "Chubby" Medina
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SaddoBoxer
JMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...
Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
.
Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.;)
Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over
his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.
The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.
Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.:rolleyes:
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
I'll take Pacquiaos frontal strengh over Juan Diaz's any day of the week,especially considering his current ventures and success at a higher weight now.Too much is made of JMMs counterpunching....He also can make bid adaptations,adjust in style and exploit a guys mistakes...with added pop.If Diazs game is too walk forward and wither him down with inside volume,I think Marquez cuts him to ribbons.
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
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Manuel "Chubby" Medina
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fan johnny
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Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.;)
Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over
his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.
The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.
Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.:rolleyes:
That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
I'm not a Marquez fan but I love watching him beat almost every other fighter except PAC ofcourse just to PROVE how GREAT BOTH of them are.;)
The only advantage I see from Juan Diaz in this fight is his size, I'm not sure if that is enough to beat JMM.
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
Marquez is gonna stop him. Diaz won't even scratch him. One left hook to his breadbaskte that's full of baby fat and his gonna run like a baby bull.
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
Based on the majority of the posts in the thread, Marquez will come out victorious Saturday. Yet some of you make it seem like its going to be a walk in the park for Marquez and are underestimating Juan Diaz. Im an underdog person and i hope Diaz proves his critics wrong. He's got some fireworks of his own to put on display.
I remember going to the Mandalay Bay to the Castillo-Corrales I match and the Marquez-Polo undercard fight was straight out boring. Marquez doest brawl for shit, but that's intelligent though. He picks who he brawls with if he has brawled at all.
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
Babybull will get exposed again...
...Big Time!
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
Diaz is somewhat overrated I think. He's a solid fighter, but not in Marquez's league. JMM by stoppage in 10.
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fan johnny
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Manuel "Chubby" Medina
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fan johnny
Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.
The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.
Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.:rolleyes:
That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.
but you would though right??
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
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fan johnny
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Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.:rolleyes:
That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.
but you would though right??
Yet another Pacfan outraged by a little comment made about Pacman.
JMM has nothin to do with this and im sure he will win.:cool:
Do you see how he attacks JMM knowin im Mexican?;D
Pacman is goin to "looooose".
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
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kingfrnk
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fan johnny
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Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.:rolleyes:
That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.
but you would though right??
maybe 11 secs cause I got a hard as head.... and no I would n't even think that I could step into the ring... but I would for just 1% of Pacquiao's purse.
But that's my point. Pacquiao made them look bad rather than the credit you give em!
"Chubby" You could be lower Slabobian... and I'd attack JMM.... only because you think he's all that! JMM might deserve top 5, not #2 P4P he's riding just riding Pacquiao's wake... and still can't get the mega $$$ fight!
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fan johnny
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kingfrnk
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fan johnny
That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.
but you would though right??
maybe 11 secs cause I got a hard as head.... and no I would n't even think that I could step into the ring... but I would for just 1% of Pacquiao's purse.
But that's my point. Pacquiao made them look bad rather than the credit you give em!
"Chubby" You could be lower Slabobian... and I'd attack JMM.... only because you think he's all that! JMM might deserve top 5, not #2 P4P he's riding just riding Pacquiao's wake... and still can't get the mega $$$ fight!
JMM is all that to me and most of the peeps in this forum think he is the best technician since Fininto lopez. He made Pacman look like an idiot their first fight knockin him down 3 times in 1 round and not beign able to finish it,then he beat him in almost all of the rounds...were talkin prime Pacman here.On the second fight many MANY had JMM winnin, Pacman won by split decision by like 1 point.
Back up your words...
Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez
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Originally Posted by
Manuel "Chubby" Medina
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Originally Posted by
fan johnny
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kingfrnk
but you would though right??
maybe 11 secs cause I got a hard as head.... and no I would n't even think that I could step into the ring... but I would for just 1% of Pacquiao's purse.
But that's my point. Pacquiao made them look bad rather than the credit you give em!
"Chubby" You could be lower Slabobian... and I'd attack JMM.... only because you think he's all that! JMM might deserve top 5, not #2 P4P he's riding just riding Pacquiao's wake... and still can't get the mega $$$ fight!
JMM is all that to me and most of the peeps in this forum think he is the best technician since Fininto lopez. He made Pacman look like an idiot their first fight knockin him down 3 times in 1 round and not beign able to finish it,then he beat him in almost all of the rounds...were talkin prime Pacman here.On the second fight many MANY had JMM winnin, Pacman won by split decision by like 1 point.
Back up your words...
Let me say first, I am not a diehard PacFan.. but know this...
If 1 judge had given Pacman a 10-6 round like the other two (instead of a 10-7) Pac would have won that fight.
In the second fight.. It would be near impossible to give most of the later rounds to JMM, and I think that a SD was a bit more narrow of a window than most saw the fight. All praise be ot JMM. I hope he comes back and KOs Pac the next time just so it would shake up the forum a little bit.. But, the Marquez's are having a hard time being in the winners circle with their respective trilogies. (see:vasquez-marquez)
