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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    Campbell showed one way to defeat Juan Diaz and that's to beat him on his own game... come forward, put a lot of pressure, throw hundreds of body punches and lots of inside fighting...

    Will JMM do this?? I don't think so and I'm not sure if JMM's accurate counter punching style will overwhelm the Baby Bull...

    Juan Diaz by decision... or stop JMM through accumulation of body and head shots...
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    Intesting observation Saddo, styles make fights and maybe JMM is made for Diaz' constant pressure game plan.

    Who has the knockout edge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicali View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    Campbell showed one way to defeat Juan Diaz and that's to beat him on his own game... come forward, put a lot of pressure, throw hundreds of body punches and lots of inside fighting...

    Will JMM do this?? I don't think so and I'm not sure if JMM's accurate counter punching style will overwhelm the Baby Bull...

    Juan Diaz by decision... or stop JMM through accumulation of body and head shots...
    .
    Intesting observation Saddo, styles make fights and maybe JMM is made for Diaz' constant pressure game plan.

    Who has the knockout edge?
    JMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...

    Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Is it this coming saturday? i was absent for almost a month.

    JMM vs Diaz. I'd pick JMM for his counterpunching. TKO before round 10.

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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    im picking baby bull he a very underated boxer who i think gonna surprise everyone with his performance

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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Nice scrap,like both guys.....but I have to go with Marquez in the later rounds.Diaz has plenty of guts,fast hands and a very sturdy chin But I'm going with the vet.This is not the mostly lay back and counter punch Marquez of past,over last few has shown added pressure and willingness to engage....while retaining nice accuracy and combination punching to head and body.Bad mix for Diaz I believe.I think Marquez still possesses too many gears.

    The big question...who cuts first.Both seem susceptible,especially Marquez.Diaz should try to turn the tables,out move and out speed Marquez...but do not come straight in and go shot for shot hoping to wear him down.Nice fight all around.

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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chicali View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    Campbell showed one way to defeat Juan Diaz and that's to beat him on his own game... come forward, put a lot of pressure, throw hundreds of body punches and lots of inside fighting...

    Will JMM do this?? I don't think so and I'm not sure if JMM's accurate counter punching style will overwhelm the Baby Bull...

    Juan Diaz by decision... or stop JMM through accumulation of body and head shots...
    .
    Intesting observation Saddo, styles make fights and maybe JMM is made for Diaz' constant pressure game plan.

    Who has the knockout edge?
    JMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...

    Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
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    Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.
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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Chicali View Post

    Intesting observation Saddo, styles make fights and maybe JMM is made for Diaz' constant pressure game plan.

    Who has the knockout edge?
    JMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...

    Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
    .
    Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.
    Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.

    The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.

    Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.

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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer View Post

    JMM definitely has the edge in KO punch/power but JuanDiaz has good tight defense on his head... JMM could KO him through a body shot...

    Juan Diaz on the other hand has not much KO power but made some tough opponents (Freitas, Julio Diaz) quit on their stool through accumulation of punches...
    .
    Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.
    Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.

    The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.

    Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
    Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.
    Last edited by Manuel "Chubby" Medina; 02-25-2009 at 02:37 AM.
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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    I'll take Pacquiaos frontal strengh over Juan Diaz's any day of the week,especially considering his current ventures and success at a higher weight now.Too much is made of JMMs counterpunching....He also can make bid adaptations,adjust in style and exploit a guys mistakes...with added pop.If Diazs game is too walk forward and wither him down with inside volume,I think Marquez cuts him to ribbons.
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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina View Post

    Well Pacman throws a whole bunch of punches in numbers and JMM did pretty good against him.Even after 3 knockdowns.
    Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.

    The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.

    Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
    Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.
    That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.

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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    I'm not a Marquez fan but I love watching him beat almost every other fighter except PAC ofcourse just to PROVE how GREAT BOTH of them are.
    The only advantage I see from Juan Diaz in this fight is his size, I'm not sure if that is enough to beat JMM.
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    Default Re: Juan on Juan: Baby Bull vs. JMMarquez

    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fan johnny View Post

    Although you can classify Diaz, Pacquiao and Marquez as being pressure fighters have all have different styles. Diaz is more of an inside brawler like mini George Forman. Marquez is more of a counter puncher and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. Pacquiao's punches come from the outside and his skills have increased over his last two fights that actually warrent a changing of his previously defined brawler/puncher style that made is offense wreak less.

    The knock on Pacquiao was that he was terribly impatient going after a fighter and often took as many shots as he gave. This impatients has changed into a confidence where is desire to reach his oponent is now packed with precision tied together with defensive movements. He doesn't have that imbalance look in his style anymore and he actully looks graceful Marquez's counter style hasn't changed.

    Diaz with his inside brawler style will most likely back up Marquez because his counters work better against outside boxing styles, except for Chris John. So I my guess is that Maquez will have to land a lot of shots countering while backing up to get Diaz. Although I have only seen Diaz twice he might have a different approach with Marquez's counter puch style.
    Dud Pacmans last 2 fights were against punchingbags get over it.
    That it? Get over it! You wouldn't last 10 seconds against either punching bag! JMM is going to looooose.... he's oooold like DLH.
    but you would though right??

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