Amir Khan v Edwin Valero...

Also Juhda i cant even consider a good win anymore he has lost ever single big right damn near and he did have alot of losses before Cotto. Carlos got koed in the first by Williams and Torres still sleeping form Holt. Not saying Hatton is any better then Cotto just pointing somethings out. Also yet again i dont have a problem with plaster thing but really is no proof of it and i still consider a legit lose because cant prove it other wise and that is all i really had to say you made some points.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Be honest i would say Mosley fight could of gone ethier way and he lost to Margarito but still when i watch that fight really did fight wrong way. Because look at how well Mosley time Margarito out and if you going to go off about plaster i guess what can i say no proof he did or didnt.

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only Margarito and his trainer know if he did, but it's kinda hard to believe that he would start with Mosley, a fighter who he was already picked to win against, lost to Cotto, and didn't really look too good in his last time out (Mayorga fight), so i'm pretty sure he did against Cotto, and i had Cotto beating Mosley 115-113

I think i had Mosley winning by the same margin but it was a close fight. As for Margarito all i while point out this according to his trainers he had some trouble making weight and maybe was not on top of his game. Not to mention Mosley has alot of things to give Margarito hell. He has chin as good if not better then him, he good stamina and good finisher late in fight and he is way faster then him so looking at that i dont have that much of problem thinking it was first time but i dont know just a thought dude.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I think i had Mosley winning by the same margin but it was a close fight. As for Margarito all i while point out this according to his trainers he had some trouble making weight and maybe was not on top of his game. Not to mention Mosley has alot of things to give Margarito hell. He has chin as good if not better then him, he good stamina and good finisher late in fight and he is way faster then him so looking at that i dont have that much of problem thinking it was first time but i dont know just a thought dude.

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i'm not ruling out the possibility of what you're saying, and i'd like to think this was the ONLY time Margarito tried to do it and that it was just a stupid mistake, but on the second hand it's kinda hard to believe, but only him and his trainer know for sure

How the hell have we ended up talking about bloody Margarito again??!

I'll bet Cotto doesn't talk about that goat looking fool as much as we do here :-X

Anyway, back to the topic, Valero has got a hell of a punch, but to see people comparing him to Pacquiao is mad. Oh wait I don't want to talk about him either, it will only bring SaddoBoxer & brucelee in here like vultures.

So, Khan... well... no that's only gonna end up talking about Barrera's bloody cut again :-\

I'll just say I think if Khan could stay out of Valero's way for the first 6 rounds he could take the fight well, maybe even KOing him

Oh i understand you dude but for me either this was his first time or he has been doing it all his career but if he has then i really confused. Reason i am confused is because they probable would of found it by now i think. Then you got look at all the different results if this shit so deadly then why was Margarito not knocking guys out some fighters werent even hurt.

Jazmerkin i just add some stuff in my bad i just like wondering i guess. As for the thread i dont have any fate in either one so i am not sure. I mean tell you truth i really dont know i mean there not much left at the weight. And if either move up again i think they while lose so they could be belt holders who meet up later down the road after building up some wins. I mean beside Marquez there really is no one there and Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Clotty and if he still fighting Margarito are to high in weight.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Jazmerkin i just add some stuff in my bad i just like wondering i guess. As for the thread i dont have any fate in either one so i am not sure. I mean tell you truth i really dont know i mean there not much left at the weight. And if either move up again i think they while lose so they could be belt holders who meet up later down the road after building up some wins. I mean beside Marquez there really is no one there and Cotto, Mosley, Berto, Clotty and if he still fighting Margarito are to high in weight.

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Nah, I was just playin man, it just does get a bit boring when the same topics come up, we've all got our opinions and allegiances, but I would be hard-pressed to think of a single established poster's whose opinion on wrapgate I haven't read. To be honest I think Khan at least would do fine at Light-Welter, as he's still big for the weight there. It actually seems that some of the guys at 135 could easily go up to 140.

Well maybe moving up while help Khan like it did Cottos chin some what. But if it does not then i dont have much hope for the guy. As for Valero if his power does not carry up then he is done for only thing he really has. But who knows i think 135 and 140 are pretty weak right now I mean top guys are getting older and there alot of younger guys still trying to make it for them selfs. I mean i Hatton, Pacman, Marquez, and even Nate are geting up there and wont be around much longer. Only big fights i really see is if they could go to welterweight with Cotto, Clotty, Berto, Mosley and Margarito if he is allowed to come back and fight but thats it.

valero khan is almost a guaranteed first round KO of khan


its a waste of time



khan should fight julio chavez jr, that could last long enough to be entertaining before khan got KOd :D

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

How the hell have we ended up talking about bloody Margarito again??!

I'll bet Cotto doesn't talk about that goat looking fool as much as we do here :-X

Anyway, back to the topic, Valero has got a hell of a punch, but to see people comparing him to Pacquiao is mad. Oh wait I don't want to talk about him either, it will only bring SaddoBoxer & brucelee in here like vultures.

So, Khan... well... no that's only gonna end up talking about Barrera's bloody cut again :-\

I'll just say I think if Khan could stay out of Valero's way for the first 6 rounds he could take the fight well, maybe even KOing him

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i agree that the whole subject of Pac is getting annoying, but it's not completely absurd to compar Valero to Pacquiao, if you look at the old Manny the one who only knew how to throw 2 punches which were the lunging jab followed by the straight left, Valero does look a lot like him, the only difference is Manny has evolved and added no aspects to his style, only time will tell if Valero is for real and will be able to do that as well

Valero mite miss Khan's chin but the force he misses with still mite hurt khan:D.

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

..lasts how long ??

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hahaha


Okay... hmmm ... let me think. We are only able to predict in seconds right?

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

i'm no Cotto nuthugger, but he beat Malignaggi plenty convincingly and i'd dare say he beat him up a hell of a lot worse than Hatton did, i mean look at his face after both fights and it speaks for itself, second of all Malignaggi is a good decent fighter and should be counted as a good win on both fighter's records, but Hatton did NOT knock him out, the fight was stopped, but Hatton did NOT knock him out, corner stoppage doesn't equal KO, and on that note, look at both fighters records, who has the bigger names?

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Woah woah woah woah woah!!! there's no need for you to suddenly run to Cotto's defence, I didn't in no way insinuate Cotto is a bad fighter or that Hatton is better than him. I infact agree with you in saying Paulie is a very good fighter and therefore Hatton should be given credit for his win over him, as should Cotto. Unfortunately Danny doesn't agree, hence why I said what I said.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Kahn could actually beat Valero even stop him imo. Valero hasnt fought anyone that big with that kind of speed. Of course Valero cuold KO him if he lands a big punch, but I do think Kahn is smarter and aware that he needs to keep a tight D. If it went past 3, id favor Kahn.

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I'm with you on that. I also wanna add that Valero never fought an A level elite fighter (Mosquera was only B+, so as Khan).

I'd say imo, Valero-Khan is 50/50.

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How the fukk is Con B+ when he's not even C+? He's C- at best. All this overrating of crap fighters is ridiculous. Valero destroys Con. Vincente Mosquera was a fine fighter. And I did consider him to be elite.