Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - FROCH v TAYLOR
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Froch is going to get the beating of his life. It's going to be Calzaghe/Lacy all over again with the nationalities reversed. Well, it won't be that bad, but will be close to that than, say, Tim Bradley vs Junior Witter.
Taylor is going to tattoo Froch with right hands ALL NIGHT. That low left hand will be his downfall. He's not quick enough to pull that off against would class fighters. The Pascal fight showed that clearly. Taylor is every bit as fast as Pascal, and on top of that, he can punch. He's not the biggest puncher, but he hits harder than Pascal. At some point, Froch will either go into survival mode and start looking for one big punch, or Taylor will stop him. Taylor is coming Either way, he looses. I reckon Froch will win a few rounds and it may be a close fight for the first six rounds, but Taylor will eventually outclass him. This is such a huge step up for Froch it isn't funny.
this post just got me so pumped for the fight that i wish it was saturday already..
A lot of people discredit JT's power because of his KO %.. He's a TERRIBLE finisher, but he really does have the power to hurt anyone.. He slings those right hands, and his jab is a lazer.. As i posted previously, if his defense is as good as it was against Pavlik in their second fight, he will jab Froch's face off.. followed by those slinging right hands.. I've been let down by JT after the first Pavlik fight because he couldn't finish the KO, and his defense was so lackluster.. but his improvement was so visible that there is a lot of hope for him to be elite.. He just has to stay calm and not gas out, and be disciplined and patient with his defense.. everything else will unfold itself..
Right, JT's #1 problem in the right is that he is a hyper figher and that effects his ability to think clearly and use his brain to finish rather than just go all out and punch himself tired. I've said this before (and I'm a Pavlik fan) that if Taylor had Pavlik's instincts for finishing, Pavlik would have been a 2nd round KO victim. Taylor looked has looked much more relaxed with his old trainer back, he has fixed his own problem with a sloppy left .
Pavlik had faced much better competition when he faced Taylor than Froch as faced to this point. Pavlik had been down against a guy who could really punch, got off the canvas, and knocked him out later. I don't see a 31 year old, overprotected Carl Froch having the ability to recover once he gets in real trouble.
People want to knock Taylor's power, but look at what he did to Pavlik. Yeah, Ouma, who has an unreal chin, took his abuse for 12 rounds while being totally outclassed. Wright, Hopkins, and Spinks are all extremely gifted defensive fighers. Spinking is 10x quicker and more skillful than anybody Froch has faced. None of those guys are easy to hit flush.
Frock is hittable. Even fans admit that much. The only way Froch fans can justify favoring Froch in this one is by saying that Jermaine can't punch and won't be able to hurt mighty Carl. Carls best punch is the most easily countered in boxing. He's at a disadvantage in speed, skill, defense, and experience. If Froch has a power advantage it is minimal. So to pick Froch, you need to bet on Taylor having no chin, no heart, and no workrate. Those are the only chances for Carl to win - to hits harder, to works harder, or to wants it more. Those don't add up to the checks in JT's column.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.
He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.
He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.
Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
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Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.
He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.
He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.
Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!
You can debate whether or not it's Froch's fault, but he just hasn't had a great class of competition. You can't blame him for Inkin pulling out, no, but it doesn't change the fact this this will be Froch's first world class opponent. With 4 years of pro boxing and 22 fights, Taylor fought Hopkins. Since then, he has fought Hopkins again, Pavlik twice, and Winky Wright. Forget about the welterweights and Jeff Lacy, that's world class competition.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
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Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.
He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.
He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.
Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!
You can debate whether or not it's Froch's fault, but he just hasn't had a great class of competition. You can't blame him for Inkin pulling out, no, but it doesn't change the fact this this will be Froch's first world class opponent. With 4 years of pro boxing and 22 fights, Taylor fought Hopkins. Since then, he has fought Hopkins again, Pavlik twice, and Winky Wright. Forget about the welterweights and Jeff Lacy, that's world class competition.
Right.. but the difference is Taylor is American. He's had much more oppotunities to make big fights. Non US based fighters have to travel to get any recognition, otherwise they are labeled "overprotected," even if the big American name refuses to fight them.
Taylor CHOSE to fight Lacy for MONEY instead of Froch for the WBC title (smart). Even as CHAMPION Froch has travelled to make the fight.
He deserves credit for that. ;)
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - FROCH v TAYLOR
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I'd say Froch has quite a bit more power than Pavlik and clearly has a better chin.
Which heavy handed fighter has proven Carls chin?
The only reason Carl hasnt hit the deck yet is because he hasnt fought any world class fighters yet:rolleyes:;D
Carl couldnt hurt Magee till late, Reid had him down whenever he connected;D
Pascal was badly hurt in his previous fight but Carl couldnt persuad him to not fight reckless:rolleyes:
Im not rating Taylor, just fed up of reading presumptions on Carls part, he hasnt got a proven chin and hasnt got a proven punch all because he hasnt mixed in world class yet and fighting a fading middle weight wont prove his own powers at supermiddle either;D
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
Give Froch credit for coming over to the US to fight Taylor. It is more than a lot of European fighters do and it is more than some do over their whole careers.
For Froch to win Taylor needs to slow down in the later rounds. Fortunately for Froch, Taylor frequently slows down as the fight goes on.
The other thing Froch must hope for is that he can walk through Taylor's punches. He won't know that until after the fight begins. He has an unproven chin. This fight will show what it is made of on the international level. Taylor isn't a Pavlik when it comes to power, but he isn't feather fisted either.
I've read that Froch has an "awkward" style. Can anyone comment on what that means?
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
Nice one ITV. Now for avoiding the score. No phone, no internet, no telly until 8.30pm. I will have to climb Scafell it seems.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
Carl should insist this be shown on ITV1 at a peak time. In the long term he will make more money with this exposure.
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There is nothing at all Carl can do though, he has to take it on the chin like all of us with the TV scandal. Its a complete joke, do ITV actually think I can last until 8 30 the next day to see the fight?!?!?!?!? I CERTAINLY CAN NOT ! i will pay money on a stream if I have to, I am not missing this fight !!! I know we will find a stream between us.
I am confident Carl is going to do this though, crunch time for Carl and he knows if he loses this fight thats it for him. That will be a large incentive to him and I know hes going to beat jermain ;)
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
ITV should be showing this live. They could have advertised it on their own channels and got a lot of interest from the casual fans.
I agree with you Tam, waiting till the next day to watch the fight is shit, it's not the same watching a fight live.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - FROCH v TAYLOR
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RozzySean
Froch is going to get the beating of his life. It's going to be Calzaghe/Lacy all over again with the nationalities reversed. Well, it won't be that bad, but will be close to that than, say, Tim Bradley vs Junior Witter.
Taylor is going to tattoo Froch with right hands ALL NIGHT. That low left hand will be his downfall. He's not quick enough to pull that off against would class fighters. The Pascal fight showed that clearly. Taylor is every bit as fast as Pascal, and on top of that, he can punch. He's not the biggest puncher, but he hits harder than Pascal. At some point, Froch will either go into survival mode and start looking for one big punch, or Taylor will stop him. Taylor is coming Either way, he looses. I reckon Froch will win a few rounds and it may be a close fight for the first six rounds, but Taylor will eventually outclass him. This is such a huge step up for Froch it isn't funny.
I see this fight as one of two extremes. Either Taylor destroys him in Mayweather Vs Gatti type style, or Froch destroys Taylor within 4 rounds.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
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ITV should be showing this live. They could have advertised it on their own channels and got a lot of interest from the casual fans.
I agree with you Tam, waiting till the next day to watch the fight is shit, it's not the same watching a fight live.
I know for a fact I will have about 30 people ringing me up asking about the fight in the morning. If i was going to watch the fight until the next evening I litrally would have to lock myself in the cellar without a phone in complete silence away from everyone and im not doing that. I will get a stream, but this has potential fight of the year written over it, what a bad mistake it would be for the TV companies in the UK if this fight is outstanding, there will be lots of angry viewers like me. Im not drinking either before this fight because the last Froch fight I had to go home half way through the fight because I was throwing up everywhere, bad mistake that was !
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
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RozzySean
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Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.
He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.
He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.
Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!
You can debate whether or not it's Froch's fault, but he just hasn't had a great class of competition. You can't blame him for Inkin pulling out, no, but it doesn't change the fact this this will be Froch's first world class opponent. With 4 years of pro boxing and 22 fights, Taylor fought Hopkins. Since then, he has fought Hopkins again, Pavlik twice, and Winky Wright. Forget about the welterweights and Jeff Lacy, that's world class competition.
Right.. but the difference is Taylor is American. He's had much more oppotunities to make big fights. Non US based fighters have to travel to get any recognition, otherwise they are labeled "overprotected," even if the big American name refuses to fight them.
Taylor CHOSE to fight Lacy for MONEY instead of Froch for the WBC title (smart). Even as CHAMPION Froch has travelled to make the fight.
He deserves credit for that. ;)
Yes, he does, and I give him credit for traveling to make this fight happen, but it's not this is the first time a champion has traveled to face a challenger. As I recall, a far more established champion, Mr. Kostya Tszyu, came all the way to Manchester to fight in Hatton's backyard. It's all about the $$$.
Here's the thing...an American fighter will usually have to travel to make his big fights happen, just not out of the country. They might have to go from Arkansas to New York or Atlantic City, or even Las Vegas. It's pretty normal for a guy to travel 1000 to 2000 km to make a big fight happen and go into an opponents home city. This would be the similar to an English boxer traveling to Germany. The American east coast about the same distance from Las Vegas as London is to New York. American fighters travel to Vegas all the time. So what's the big deal about leaving the country? If Froch were fighting out of the US, he's be traveling all over.
If he wins, I'll give him credit and eat my sig bet without complaint.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
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Tam Seddon
There is nothing at all Carl can do though, he has to take it on the chin like all of us with the TV scandal. Its a complete joke, do ITV actually think I can last until 8 30 the next day to see the fight?!?!?!?!? I CERTAINLY CAN NOT ! i will pay money on a stream if I have to, I am not missing this fight !!! I know we will find a stream between us.
I am confident Carl is going to do this though, crunch time for Carl and he knows if he loses this fight thats it for him. That will be a large incentive to him and I know hes going to beat jermain ;)
I actually think Carl just needs to give a good showing of himself. A hard-fought, respectable loss wouldn't be that big of a strike against him. In addition, if the fight is close, either may earn a rematch. It isn't in the contract, but the networks will shell out for it if it is a war.
Re: FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!
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RozzySean
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Fenster
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RozzySean
You can debate whether or not it's Froch's fault, but he just hasn't had a great class of competition. You can't blame him for Inkin pulling out, no, but it doesn't change the fact this this will be Froch's first world class opponent. With 4 years of pro boxing and 22 fights, Taylor fought Hopkins. Since then, he has fought Hopkins again, Pavlik twice, and Winky Wright. Forget about the welterweights and Jeff Lacy, that's world class competition.
Right.. but the difference is Taylor is American. He's had much more oppotunities to make big fights. Non US based fighters have to travel to get any recognition, otherwise they are labeled "overprotected," even if the big American name refuses to fight them.
Taylor CHOSE to fight Lacy for MONEY instead of Froch for the WBC title (smart). Even as CHAMPION Froch has travelled to make the fight.
He deserves credit for that. ;)
Yes, he does, and I give him credit for traveling to make this fight happen, but it's not this is the first time a champion has traveled to face a challenger. As I recall, a far more established champion, Mr. Kostya Tszyu, came all the way to Manchester to fight in Hatton's backyard. It's all about the $$$.
Here's the thing...an American fighter will usually have to travel to make his big fights happen, just not out of the country. They might have to go from Arkansas to New York or Atlantic City, or even Las Vegas. It's pretty normal for a guy to travel 1000 to 2000 km to make a big fight happen and go into an opponents home city. This would be the similar to an English boxer traveling to Germany. The American east coast about the same distance from Las Vegas as London is to New York. American fighters travel to Vegas all the time.
So what's the big deal about leaving the country? If Froch were fighting out of the US, he's be traveling all over.
If he wins, I'll give him credit and eat my sig bet without complaint.
Exactly.
What's the big deal about certain American fighters leaving the country? As you said - they are used to travelling. Strange.
This fight WOULD NOT be happening if Froch hadn't agreed to fight in America. Taylor REFUSED to fight in the UK whatever the circumstances. How can a fighter like Froch be called "overprotected" when it's him bending over to make a fight? That is unfair.
