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His lack of punching power is kind of an equalizer for opponents... but I think Ivan's still slick enough to outbox most potential opponents out there. I think a year or two more at most is what Ivan has left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Calderon is there for the taking. I think the flip can do itQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's a big if ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi highly doubt Morel will beat Montiel though, he honestly has looked like crap since he lost his 0, Martin Castillo put quite a whooping on him, and i doubt that the jail time did him much good at least in regards to his career, wouldn't mind seeing Viloria Vs. Calderon though eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Viloria vs. Calderon is very interesting... It's a unification fight... And they met 3 times before in the amateurs with Viloria having 2 wins over Calderon...
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and we've seen it time and time again, that amateur fights mean jack shit when it comes to the pros lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThat's a big if ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi highly doubt Morel will beat Montiel though, he honestly has looked like crap since he lost his 0, Martin Castillo put quite a whooping on him, and i doubt that the jail time did him much good at least in regards to his career, wouldn't mind seeing Viloria Vs. Calderon though eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Viloria vs. Calderon is very interesting... It's a unification fight... And they met 3 times before in the amateurs with Viloria having 2 wins over Calderon...
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Yeah it's true... Just like Nonito Donaire's win over Cobra Martinez in the amateurs, it doesn't mean shit... No meaning at all in the pros...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand we've seen it time and time again, that amateur fights mean jack shit when it comes to the pros lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerThat's a big if ...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Viloria vs. Calderon is very interesting... It's a unification fight... And they met 3 times before in the amateurs with Viloria having 2 wins over Calderon...
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See, that's how you lose credibility... by arguing against a point by citing ONE example. How 'bout the other times where the guy that won in the amateurs loses in the pros? (See: Cotto-Abdullaev, Cotto-Pinto)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYeah it's true... Just like Nonito Donaire's win over Cobra Martinez in the amateurs, it doesn't mean shit... No meaning at all in the pros...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand we've seen it time and time again, that amateur fights mean jack shit when it comes to the pros lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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same thing as Pinto, Torres, and Abduaev all having amateur wins over CottoQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYeah it's true... Just like Nonito Donaire's win over Cobra Martinez in the amateurs, it doesn't mean shit... No meaning at all in the pros...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand we've seen it time and time again, that amateur fights mean jack shit when it comes to the pros lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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he he :)... I agree that amateurs is totally different from the pros... There's no argument here in the first place... Viloria's 2 wins over Calderon in the amateurs has no meaning at all in the pros...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanSee, that's how you lose credibility... by arguing against a point by citing ONE example. How 'bout the other times where the guy that won in the amateurs loses in the pros? (See: Cotto-Abdullaev, Cotto-Pinto)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerYeah it's true... Just like Nonito Donaire's win over Cobra Martinez in the amateurs, it doesn't mean shit... No meaning at all in the pros...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Happy to have enlightened you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerhe he :)... I agree that amateurs is totally different from the pros... There's no argument here in the first place... Viloria's 2 wins over Calderon in the amateurs has no meaning at all in the pros...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanSee, that's how you lose credibility... by arguing against a point by citing ONE example. How 'bout the other times where the guy that won in the amateurs loses in the pros? (See: Cotto-Abdullaev, Cotto-Pinto)Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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I agree with Titofan that even at 34 Calderon is still more than capable than dealing most of the opposition around 105 & 108, apart from maybe Gonzalez... I think he needs to fight Viloria next after Mayol, then maybe Gonzalez, Garcia or Sithsamerchai. I'd then love to see him step up to 112 & take that 0 from Narvaez!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanHis lack of punching power is kind of an equalizer for opponents... but I think Ivan's still slick enough to outbox most potential opponents out there. I think a year or two more at most is what Ivan has left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCalderon is there for the taking. I think the flip can do itQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
i heard rumors that he's planning on moving up to 112 next year, to face ConcepcionQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI agree with Titofan that even at 34 Calderon is still more than capable than dealing most of the opposition around 105 & 108, apart from maybe Gonzalez... I think he needs to fight Viloria next after Mayol, then maybe Gonzalez, Garcia or Sithsamerchai. I'd then love to see him step up to 112 & take that 0 from Narvaez!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanHis lack of punching power is kind of an equalizer for opponents... but I think Ivan's still slick enough to outbox most potential opponents out there. I think a year or two more at most is what Ivan has left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Luis Concepcion? The Panamainian would be a good 1st fight at 112 for Calderon, he blew away Arambulet & dominated Esquer...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi heard rumors that he's planning on moving up to 112 next year, to face ConcepcionQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI agree with Titofan that even at 34 Calderon is still more than capable than dealing most of the opposition around 105 & 108, apart from maybe Gonzalez... I think he needs to fight Viloria next after Mayol, then maybe Gonzalez, Garcia or Sithsamerchai. I'd then love to see him step up to 112 & take that 0 from Narvaez!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
My ideal future for Calderon:
School Viloria
Go to war with Gonzalez
Take Narvaez' 0