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I think with floyd's long arms and ring smarts..manny will be on the end of the jab all night... but if he sneaks a left through which im sure he will...then we could have a fight..but i think manny will get a lesson albeit he will be the most unruly student for floyd.
Definitely agree. PBF all day. PBF would not be the punching bag Pac is use to. Pac likes fighters who come straight line in. No angles, no slips, no dips, just walking in. Pac's angle punches work beautifully against these type of fighters. He would see nothing of that sort against PBF. PWill is the only fighter who I would favor over PBF.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
Mayweather easy.
Got too much for Manny.
Would love to see it.
Manny's last two fights have made him look superb and I'm not taking anything away from them.
But examining them a bit further - Hatton was absolute shit last night and a weight drained 35 year old............well, Floyd is much better than those two.
Repeat - I think we'd all love to see it.
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Originally Posted by ICBIm not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnManny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,
So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...
DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,
Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled
Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...
This was a P4P ranked man!!!!
Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.
I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.
I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?
Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.
And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?
He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Tell you what,,,,if the fight comes off you make the bet....
You are right on. People refuse to attack the fact that Pac fights guys who come straight in. Those are the ones he looks special against. JMM gave him fits and I personally thought he won the second fight but either way Pac and JMM are neck and neck. Pac did well against Hatton and he deserves 1 p4p without argument now. But beating Hatton did nothing to compare a PBF fight. It may turn to be detrimental confidence. Pac will have to change his whole style in what he is training for. His angle punches are not going to be thrown at a target in front of him. I really think people should not be taking this much from the Hatton fight. It was the same ol Pac against the same ol Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnManny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,
So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...
DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,
Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled
Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...
This was a P4P ranked man!!!!
Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.
I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.
I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?
Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.
And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?
He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pac wins by early round stoppage at 144 catch weight. He throws accurate punches with blinding speed. PBF can be cute and slick all he wants, but he won't be able to do it in 12 rounds.
I see Roach studying some PBF tapes now.
This fight had no effect on my confidence in Floyd beating PAC. Though stunning, remember Hatton did come in with chin in the air, hands way to low, no head movement, and charging to make a sum of forces. This does not mean the defensive genius of Floyd Mayweather will be able to be beaten. Good KO by PAC but it means nothing against Floyd.
Too much defense
Roach is a great fight engineer. I'm sure he'll come up with another great fight plan for Pac.
If this fight took place two years ago...i would not hesitate to pick Floyd. But right now...Pac has gained so much confidence and Floyd has been inactive for over a year. For all of Floyd's superb skills...i have always questioned his resume and the timing of many of his fights. If he where to take Pac on now...he would be fighting the CLEAR pound for pound champion at the peak of his powers...something he is never come close to doing. I still would pick Floyd simply because he is the most skilled and intelligent fighter in the business. And i am sure he would get himself into the absolute best shape of his life for a fight against a fighter who is now physically as good as anyone. But for me...it is no longer an easy pick that Floyd would win. Not so much because he doesn't have the skills to beat Pac...but more because Pac is now mentally and physically in a ZONE. I can't wait to see if it happens!
Yeah but one weapon you forgot is his amazing boxing brain and his ability to nullify pretty much any style.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnIf you asked the question 18 months ago I would have picked PNF but then again I a;so thought DLH was going to be way to big for manny:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Pacquiao is a whole new beast, the man is sooo fast, he has powwer in his hands, but the real factors are the new changes Roach has made,,,
Manny will not just sit in fron and wait to be countered, he comes in att sooo many angles, he does not stop punching, he turns his opponents around and around before they even know what is going on he is on them again....
Right now manny Pacquiao is a fighter to fear, there is no way to deny it....
I say Manny takes PBF out in 5, Floyds best weapons were/are speed and countering...
Manny nulifies those two
I would have picked Mayweather 2 years ago. Now it depends. At 140, I don't see Mayweather winning. Dangerous weight because Manny can catch him and give him problems. That is because Manny is a bit unpredictable now. Mayweather will have to do his homework.
A lot of people say Marquez gave Manny a lot of problems. I see it the other way around. What I saw was Manny, as unorthodox as he was at that time (and probably still is), giving Marquez a lot of problems. Marquez was supposed to be a polished boxer (similar to Pretty boy). When Marquez fought Manny, Manny was very predictable. Being predictable, Marquez could have won easily but did not (if he did, it was a very slim margin). So Manny has been the hardest type of fighter Marquez has ever faced. Experts say Mayweather is as crafty, if not more so, than Marquez (that of course will be determined in the fight to come). Still I am certain he will give Mayweather some problems as well.
I see Manny coming in with a strong game plan. Manny will definitely fight similar to the way he fought de la hoya. In and out, potshots here and there. He will be caught sometimes but it will not be enough to hurt him. He will try to catch PB with his money shot but only when the opportunity presents itself.
Anything above 140 I give Mayweather a more than fair chance.
I see Manny knocking out PB rd 8
I think Floyd Mayweather would stop Pac late on and when he was asked the about fighting Mayweather he only had to say yes or no but he didnt he skated around it abit as did freddie roach.
I dont think Pac calls people out, he is a bloody decent human being. Unlike that knob Mayweather. I can only hope Pac stops the utter knob Mayweather with the same punch, but in the 11th round, after having Mayweather down in each of his previous 10 rounds. I would love to see Mayweather suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
I would confidently take one but i can't do a sig bet, because im a bit on and off on this forum at the moment. And at times i will be off for a few weeks or so, but if you don't mind that we can do that or a rep bet or whatever. Its your call chief.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBIm not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.
I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.
I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?
Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.
And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?
He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Tell you what,,,,if the fight comes off you make the bet....