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MICK, Marquez and Pacquiao were made for each other. No matter how great Pacquiao can look or can potentially be, Marquez will always give him the fight of his life!
-Yes Hatton went down twice which was less than Marquez did. But Hatton isn't no counter punching machine like Marquez was.Quote:
Originally Posted by richard (mossley)
-Pac doesnt slow down. He get stronger as the fight progresses.
Damn MAR!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I really thought that Hatton had a very decent shot at beating Manny going into this.
At the end of the day you cannot argue with being put to sleep in the second. But Hatton did fight a very stupid fight tactically and I don't think that was the best Ricky Hatton I have ever seen. But that is neither here nor there. Hatton really should have pushed Manny a lot harder than he did, and yet he was wiped out in a way that makes even David Diaz look good.
He was destroyed and I don't see the point in the hypothetical argument really. You can argue things like Barrera: Khan but not a fight like Hatton: Pac.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickWell halo1 theirs a difference between the ring smarts as described by Roach that Manny has and the smarts that JMM has shown for many years. If you've followed boxing for years you can clearly see and know what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1
That is true Manny has improvesd and is getting smarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1
Well halo1 ring smarts have won JMM more rounds then Pac has won in both fights.
You can't be serious?
Every brawler/fighter Pac has faced he's knocked out.
Everytime Pac has faced a boxer or someone who moves and uses the ring he's had to work for it and or has had difficulties, not necessarly with the fighter it could be just himself.
That was the old Manny?Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1
The won that fought JMM last year.
Manny has looked great no doubt but as I discussed prior to your arrival to this site and around the time the ODLH fight was announced and the Diaz fight those 2 performances didn't mean much to me as I predicted prior to the fights Pac would beat both with ease.
Manny looked great vs. ODLH because let's face it is was corpse up there in the ring a boxer who was done and had no business fighting at 147 even more so. The Diaz fight was nothing more then a gimmie/set up fight now the Hatton 2 round destruction was amazing.
Time is what will eventually beat JMM the more time passes the easier it will be for Manny to defeat JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1
JMM is a veteran who IMO is down to possibly 3 fights more then it'll be time. Considering now he's fighting PBF he's probably down to 2 fights.
I really don't think he can beat PBF but god will I use up all my prayers for him to do it.
JMM-Pac III needs to happen and with a JMM win we can see fight IV, followed with another JMM win and we will see fight V and this will go down as the greatest EVER matchup in sports history.
I can dream can't I. ;D
(Notice how I didn't predict a winner for the final bout, I'm not that big of a JMM-Nut hugger ;) )
I totally agree with you when it comes to the ring smarts of JMM. He is probably one of the smartest and most polished boxers of this era...maybe of all time you can argue. However, given that, he still had difficulty with Manny. Its all about point of view. Look at it from Marquez' standpoint. Marquez: I know I am more polished, better boxer and have more "ring smarts" than Manny. But why cant I finish him or make my fights with him a convincing win?
Yes, Manny had difficulty both times with Marquez. But its like a student having difficulty with the master. The master Marquez cant seem to put the student Pacman away. Marquez in my belief has reached his potential (and very few people do). Manny is just about proving to everyone that he is something special and still has a lot to show for. That is what makes him dangerous.
So, in my opinion, it is unfair to to equate a master boxer with a student fighter. Again no argument as to the ring smarts of Marquez. I am sure Marquez did a double take after the fight with Hatton. He will study and apply ring smarts in hopefully his next fight with Pacman. But how do you prepare for someone who is still evolving? Answer: Marquez will adjust in the later rounds. However, do you think he will reach the later rounds in time to adjust? I really dont know. Every stable mate of Oscar dela Hoya said Manny is predictable and easy to hit. Maybe the Manny of old. Not now.
Yes Pacman JMM needs to happen. Whoever wins will truly be the top honcho in the pound for pound list (that is if Marquez wins his fight with PB).
By the way, I have been a member of this forum for the since 2005-2006 using a slightly different nickname (halo). Unfortunately I forgot my old password. I am nothing compared to you though, Mr. Moderator. You are a master and I am a student.
i'm sure all the grandmasters of chess thought the same thing of teenager bobby fischer, when he kicked their ass repeatedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWell halo1 theirs a difference between the ring smarts as described by Roach that Manny has and the smarts that JMM has shown for many years. If you've followed boxing for years you can clearly see and know what I'm talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1
That is true Manny has improvesd and is getting smarter.
Well halo1 ring smarts have won JMM more rounds then Pac has won in both fights.
You can't be serious?
Every brawler/fighter Pac has faced he's knocked out.
Everytime Pac has faced a boxer or someone who moves and uses the ring he's had to work for it and or has had difficulties, not necessarly with the fighter it could be just himself.
That was the old Manny?
The won that fought JMM last year.
Manny has looked great no doubt but as I discussed prior to your arrival to this site and around the time the ODLH fight was announced and the Diaz fight those 2 performances didn't mean much to me as I predicted prior to the fights Pac would beat both with ease.
Manny looked great vs. ODLH because let's face it is was corpse up there in the ring a boxer who was done and had no business fighting at 147 even more so. The Diaz fight was nothing more then a gimmie/set up fight now the Hatton 2 round destruction was amazing.
Time is what will eventually beat JMM the more time passes the easier it will be for Manny to defeat JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo1
JMM is a veteran who IMO is down to possibly 3 fights more then it'll be time. Considering now he's fighting PBF he's probably down to 2 fights.
I really don't think he can beat PBF but god will I use up all my prayers for him to do it.
JMM-Pac III needs to happen and with a JMM win we can see fight IV, followed with another JMM win and we will see fight V and this will go down as the greatest EVER matchup in sports history.
I can dream can't I. ;D
(Notice how I didn't predict a winner for the final bout, I'm not that big of a JMM-Nut hugger ;) )
I totally agree with you when it comes to the ring smarts of JMM. He is probably one of the smartest and most polished boxers of this era...maybe of all time you can argue. However, given that, he still had difficulty with Manny. Its all about point of view. Look at it from Marquez' standpoint. Marquez: I know I am more polished, better boxer and have more "ring smarts" than Manny. But why cant I finish him or make my fights with him a convincing win?
Yes, Manny had difficulty both times with Marquez. But its like a student having difficulty with the master. The master Marquez cant seem to put the student Pacman away. Marquez in my belief has reached his potential (and very few people do). Manny is just about proving to everyone that he is something special and still has a lot to show for. That is what makes him dangerous.
So, in my opinion, it is unfair to to equate a master boxer with a student fighter. Again no argument as to the ring smarts of Marquez. I am sure Marquez did a double take after the fight with Hatton. He will study and apply ring smarts in hopefully his next fight with Pacman. But how do you prepare for someone who is still evolving? Answer: Marquez will adjust in the later rounds. However, do you think he will reach the later rounds in time to adjust? I really dont know. Every stable mate of Oscar dela Hoya said Manny is predictable and easy to hit. Maybe the Manny of old. Not now.
Yes Pacman JMM needs to happen. Whoever wins will truly be the top honcho in the pound for pound list (that is if Marquez wins his fight with PB).
By the way, I have been a member of this forum for the since 2005-2006 using a slightly different nickname (halo). Unfortunately I forgot my old password. I am nothing compared to you though, Mr. Moderator. You are a master and I am a student.
only two things can slow pac down, a heavy bleeding cut and low quality socks!
he still wouldnt last cause hatton went back to his old style and that is perfect for pac. hatton admitted that the first punch pac threw hurt him already.