Hypothetically: Could Hatton Have Beat Paq?

[C-Lo]

MICK, Marquez and Pacquiao were made for each other. No matter how great Pacquiao can look or can potentially be, Marquez will always give him the fight of his life!

If that punch had not landed?
Hatton went down twice in first rd, JMM went down 3 times and came back.Please consider the following:

Hatton was landing on Paq, not an amazing amount, but he landed more in 2 rds than Oscar De La Hoya did in the entire fight. Paq has said that Hattons puches were hurtful.

Although Hatton went down in rd 1 twice, he had not gone down in rd 2, in my view he clearly was having more success in rd 2 than rd 1, although Paq clearly took the round.

Consider the fight was of an incredible pace which could not be sustained, I believe if Hatton had survived another 2 rounds, Paq would have slowed down giving Hatton a chance in the later rounds.

I am not saying Hatton would have won, all I am asking is would he have had a chance later on if Paq slowed down?

The fight was an incredible 7 minutes worth of action and to me showed me why no other sport could match it when at its best.

-Yes Hatton went down twice which was less than Marquez did. But Hatton isn't no counter punching machine like Marquez was.

-Pac doesnt slow down. He get stronger as the fight progresses.

hypothetically hanna montana can beat pac, the difference between this fight and the oscar fight was oscar kept up his hands without that oscar would have gotten ko'ed too. He would have still won if hatton was wearing head gear, manny threw one punch that landed on hattons glove and he still went down, one guy was just better that's all.

Damn MAR!

[Gandalf]

I really thought that Hatton had a very decent shot at beating Manny going into this.

At the end of the day you cannot argue with being put to sleep in the second. But Hatton did fight a very stupid fight tactically and I don't think that was the best Ricky Hatton I have ever seen. But that is neither here nor there. Hatton really should have pushed Manny a lot harder than he did, and yet he was wiped out in a way that makes even David Diaz look good.

He was destroyed and I don't see the point in the hypothetical argument really. You can argue things like Barrera: Khan but not a fight like Hatton: Pac.

[halo1]

Ring smarts? Maybe but the thing is..manny has now got ring smarts too. According to Freddie Roach, he now executes the fight plan to perfection. He has only said that of him the past 3 fights (Diaz, dela Hoya and Hatton).

Well halo1 theirs a difference between the ring smarts as described by Roach that Manny has and the smarts that JMM has shown for many years. If you've followed boxing for years you can clearly see and know what I'm talking about.

So Manny has continuously improved and is getting smarter every fight. Ring smarts will only work if its not countered by another strategy.

That is true Manny has improvesd and is getting smarter.
Well halo1 ring smarts have won JMM more rounds then Pac has won in both fights.


You can't be serious?
Every brawler/fighter Pac has faced he's knocked out.
Everytime Pac has faced a boxer or someone who moves and uses the ring he's had to work for it and or has had difficulties, not necessarly with the fighter it could be just himself.

Let's analyze the Marquez/Pacquiao. Marquez could have easily won given his counter punching ways but he had a difficult time with Manny. That was with the old Manny P.

That was the old Manny?
The won that fought JMM last year.
Manny has looked great no doubt but as I discussed prior to your arrival to this site and around the time the ODLH fight was announced and the Diaz fight those 2 performances didn't mean much to me as I predicted prior to the fights Pac would beat both with ease.
Manny looked great vs. ODLH because let's face it is was corpse up there in the ring a boxer who was done and had no business fighting at 147 even more so. The Diaz fight was nothing more then a gimmie/set up fight now the Hatton 2 round destruction was amazing.

Given Manny's new skills, I think he will give Marquez more problems as well. Will Marquez win? Maybe but I will put my money on Pacman solidly this time. Same with PBF but only at 140.

Time is what will eventually beat JMM the more time passes the easier it will be for Manny to defeat JMM.
JMM is a veteran who IMO is down to possibly 3 fights more then it'll be time. Considering now he's fighting PBF he's probably down to 2 fights.
I really don't think he can beat PBF but god will I use up all my prayers for him to do it.

JMM-Pac III needs to happen and with a JMM win we can see fight IV, followed with another JMM win and we will see fight V and this will go down as the greatest EVER matchup in sports history.
I can dream can't I.
(Notice how I didn't predict a winner for the final bout, I'm not that big of a JMM-Nut hugger )

I totally agree with you when it comes to the ring smarts of JMM. He is probably one of the smartest and most polished boxers of this era...maybe of all time you can argue. However, given that, he still had difficulty with Manny. Its all about point of view. Look at it from Marquez' standpoint. Marquez: I know I am more polished, better boxer and have more "ring smarts" than Manny. But why cant I finish him or make my fights with him a convincing win?

Yes, Manny had difficulty both times with Marquez. But its like a student having difficulty with the master. The master Marquez cant seem to put the student Pacman away. Marquez in my belief has reached his potential (and very few people do). Manny is just about proving to everyone that he is something special and still has a lot to show for. That is what makes him dangerous.

So, in my opinion, it is unfair to to equate a master boxer with a student fighter. Again no argument as to the ring smarts of Marquez. I am sure Marquez did a double take after the fight with Hatton. He will study and apply ring smarts in hopefully his next fight with Pacman. But how do you prepare for someone who is still evolving? Answer: Marquez will adjust in the later rounds. However, do you think he will reach the later rounds in time to adjust? I really dont know. Every stable mate of Oscar dela Hoya said Manny is predictable and easy to hit. Maybe the Manny of old. Not now.

Yes Pacman JMM needs to happen. Whoever wins will truly be the top honcho in the pound for pound list (that is if Marquez wins his fight with PB).

By the way, I have been a member of this forum for the since 2005-2006 using a slightly different nickname (halo). Unfortunately I forgot my old password. I am nothing compared to you though, Mr. Moderator. You are a master and I am a student.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Ring smarts? Maybe but the thing is..manny has now got ring smarts too. According to Freddie Roach, he now executes the fight plan to perfection. He has only said that of him the past 3 fights (Diaz, dela Hoya and Hatton).

Well halo1 theirs a difference between the ring smarts as described by Roach that Manny has and the smarts that JMM has shown for many years. If you've followed boxing for years you can clearly see and know what I'm talking about.


That is true Manny has improvesd and is getting smarter.
Well halo1 ring smarts have won JMM more rounds then Pac has won in both fights.


You can't be serious?
Every brawler/fighter Pac has faced he's knocked out.
Everytime Pac has faced a boxer or someone who moves and uses the ring he's had to work for it and or has had difficulties, not necessarly with the fighter it could be just himself.


That was the old Manny?
The won that fought JMM last year.
Manny has looked great no doubt but as I discussed prior to your arrival to this site and around the time the ODLH fight was announced and the Diaz fight those 2 performances didn't mean much to me as I predicted prior to the fights Pac would beat both with ease.
Manny looked great vs. ODLH because let's face it is was corpse up there in the ring a boxer who was done and had no business fighting at 147 even more so. The Diaz fight was nothing more then a gimmie/set up fight now the Hatton 2 round destruction was amazing.

Given Manny's new skills, I think he will give Marquez more problems as well. Will Marquez win? Maybe but I will put my money on Pacman solidly this time. Same with PBF but only at 140.

Time is what will eventually beat JMM the more time passes the easier it will be for Manny to defeat JMM.
JMM is a veteran who IMO is down to possibly 3 fights more then it'll be time. Considering now he's fighting PBF he's probably down to 2 fights.
I really don't think he can beat PBF but god will I use up all my prayers for him to do it.

JMM-Pac III needs to happen and with a JMM win we can see fight IV, followed with another JMM win and we will see fight V and this will go down as the greatest EVER matchup in sports history.
I can dream can't I.
(Notice how I didn't predict a winner for the final bout, I'm not that big of a JMM-Nut hugger )

I totally agree with you when it comes to the ring smarts of JMM. He is probably one of the smartest and most polished boxers of this era...maybe of all time you can argue. However, given that, he still had difficulty with Manny. Its all about point of view. Look at it from Marquez' standpoint. Marquez: I know I am more polished, better boxer and have more "ring smarts" than Manny. But why cant I finish him or make my fights with him a convincing win?

Yes, Manny had difficulty both times with Marquez. But its like a student having difficulty with the master. The master Marquez cant seem to put the student Pacman away. Marquez in my belief has reached his potential (and very few people do). Manny is just about proving to everyone that he is something special and still has a lot to show for. That is what makes him dangerous.

So, in my opinion, it is unfair to to equate a master boxer with a student fighter. Again no argument as to the ring smarts of Marquez. I am sure Marquez did a double take after the fight with Hatton. He will study and apply ring smarts in hopefully his next fight with Pacman. But how do you prepare for someone who is still evolving? Answer: Marquez will adjust in the later rounds. However, do you think he will reach the later rounds in time to adjust? I really dont know. Every stable mate of Oscar dela Hoya said Manny is predictable and easy to hit. Maybe the Manny of old. Not now.

Yes Pacman JMM needs to happen. Whoever wins will truly be the top honcho in the pound for pound list (that is if Marquez wins his fight with PB).

By the way, I have been a member of this forum for the since 2005-2006 using a slightly different nickname (halo). Unfortunately I forgot my old password. I am nothing compared to you though, Mr. Moderator. You are a master and I am a student.

i'm sure all the grandmasters of chess thought the same thing of teenager bobby fischer, when he kicked their ass repeatedly.

[mnmc10]

only two things can slow pac down, a heavy bleeding cut and low quality socks!

he still wouldnt last cause hatton went back to his old style and that is perfect for pac. hatton admitted that the first punch pac threw hurt him already.