Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'll just post an article:
Pacquiao’s Title Resume
World Flyweight (112) – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'll just post an article:
Pacquiao’s Title Resume
World Flyweight (112) – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
This article was written by Cliff Rold... I think he's an American and a credible boxing writer...
Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America. He can be reached at roldboxing AT hotmail.com if you have inquiries about his article...
BTW, below is the link to that article:
link --> Pacquiao Aims for Four (and Six): Real History Part 1 - Boxing News
;)
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'll just post an article:
Pacquiao’s Title Resume
World Flyweight (112) – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
You need The Ring title to be recognised as lineal?
I thought the most bombproof method of lineal was "the man who beat the man?" The man who dethrones the champ?
You can trace Pac to the Kim-Chitlada fight.
Sot Chitalada-Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.
So are you saying because The Ring stop recognising champions the lineal heritage should be scrapped? That seems pretty fucked up man. :-\
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'll just post an article:
Pacquiao’s Title Resume
World Flyweight (112) – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
You need The Ring title to be recognised as lineal?
I thought the most bombproof method of lineal was "the man who beat the man?" The man who dethrones the champ?
You can trace Pac to the Kim-Chitlada fight.
Sot Chitalada-Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.
So are you saying because The Ring stop recognising champions the lineal heritage should be scrapped? That seems pretty fucked up man. :-\
Thanks for the clarification mate...
.
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
You need The Ring title to be recognised as lineal?
I thought the most bombproof method of lineal was "the man who beat the man?" The man who dethrones the champ?
You can trace Pac to the Kim-Chitlada fight.
Sot Chitalada-Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.
So are you saying because The Ring stop recognising champions the lineal heritage should be scrapped? That seems pretty fucked up man. :-\
Thanks for the clarification mate...
.
I'm just trying to make some sense of this stupid hypocritical nonsense.
So far, I have Pac as a three time Ring champ and a three time lineal (man who beat the man) champ.
Just off to buy a new anorak :embarassed:
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
You need The Ring title to be recognised as lineal?
I thought the most bombproof method of lineal was "the man who beat the man?" The man who dethrones the champ?
You can trace Pac to the Kim-Chitlada fight.
Sot Chitalada-Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.
So are you saying because The Ring stop recognising champions the lineal heritage should be scrapped? That seems pretty fucked up man. :-\
Thanks for the clarification mate...
.
I'm just trying to make some sense of this stupid hypocritical nonsense.
So far, I have Pac as a three time Ring champ and a three time lineal (man who beat the man) champ.
Just off to buy a new anorak :embarassed:
At least you and Mick agreed that PAC is a 3-time lineal champ only with different set of divisions...;)
For that reason, I think PAC is really a 4-time lineal champ after all...;D Aside from Cliff Rold, ESPN's Dan Rafael also recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ...;D Congrats PAC...
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Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Thanks for the clarification mate...
.
I'm just trying to make some sense of this stupid hypocritical nonsense.
So far, I have Pac as a three time Ring champ and a three time lineal (man who beat the man) champ.
Just off to buy a new anorak :embarassed:
At least you and Mick agreed that PAC is a 3-time lineal champ only with different set of divisions...;)
For that reason, I think PAC is really a 4-time lineal champ after all...;D Aside from Cliff Rold, ESPN's Dan Rafael also recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ...;D Congrats PAC...
.
If people agree the method for repairing a broken lineal link is the no.1 and no.2 fighting then Pac probably does have claims to four titles ;)
Who decides the top two though? :-\
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Berto because he is hittable and hurtable. If hurtable is a word;Dcompared to the other welters.
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
I'm just trying to make some sense of this stupid hypocritical nonsense.
So far, I have Pac as a three time Ring champ and a three time lineal (man who beat the man) champ.
Just off to buy a new anorak :embarassed:
At least you and Mick agreed that PAC is a 3-time lineal champ only with different set of divisions...;)
For that reason, I think PAC is really a 4-time lineal champ after all...;D Aside from Cliff Rold, ESPN's Dan Rafael also recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ...;D Congrats PAC...
.
If people agree the method for repairing a broken lineal link is
the no.1 and no.2 fighting then Pac probably does have claims to four titles ;)
Who decides the top two though? :-\
Yep, that's the agreed way to do it... PAC a 4-time lineal champ...;)
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Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'll just post an article:
Pacquiao’s Title Resume
World Flyweight (112) – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
This article was written by Cliff Rold... I think he's an American and a credible boxing writer...
Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America. He can be reached at roldboxing AT hotmail.com if you have inquiries about his article...
BTW, below is the link to that article:
link -->
Pacquiao Aims for Four (and Six): Real History Part 1 - Boxing News
;)
Well he needs to be fired from his job.
What's even funnier is that he works for the Ring but doesn't realize that the Ring never recognized Yuri as their champ...
It's simple. Yuri was not the Ring/Lineal champ therefor Sasakuls win did not make him the lineal champ.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
I'll just post an article:
Pacquiao’s Title Resume
World Flyweight (112) – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
You need The Ring title to be recognised as lineal?
I thought the most bombproof method of lineal was "the man who beat the man?" The man who dethrones the champ?
You can trace Pac to the Kim-Chitlada fight.
Sot Chitalada-Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.
So are you saying because The Ring stop recognising champions the lineal heritage should be scrapped? That seems pretty fucked up man. :-\
Well the Ring are the people who created lineal champs.
How else are we to keep track.
Let me give you and example.
For the sake of the debate here...
Daisuke Naito can claim he's the Flyweight lineal champ because he can 'supposably' be traced back to "The Man who Beat the Man"?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Aside from Cliff Rold, ESPN's Dan Rafael also recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ...;D Congrats PAC...
Cliff Rold has really shown his smarts on lineage to me.
As I stated above by his viewing Daisuke Naito is the Lineal Flyweight champ. ???
Dan Rafael... PPPLU-EAAAAASE!
Rafael also recognized Joel Julio as the greatest thing since Port-A-Potties and yet here we are couple years later and Julio is well... Not so great to say the least.
Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
SaddoBoxer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Boxer,
Who typed this article?
What a crock of shit it is and whoever put it together needs to be slapped. It wouldn't shock me to know a Filipino writer put it together and going out on a wild guess here it's either you (or someone from that Pac site you guys post on)
It's funny because prior to Pac, todays Filipino fans didn't know about lineages and or the rich history of the sport. Now suddenly they know who beat whom and the whole history of the sport.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for fans supporting the sport and making it great but when people like the idiot who typed this article start doing things like this which is put WRONG/FALSE/INCORRECT info. that pisses me off.
He clearly does not understand what lineage means and is.
The WBC title went through so many names in the 80's that the lineage was lost somewhere along Chitlada-Kim as they traded the title.
After Chitladas win he no longer was the Ring Champ.
You can't claim lineage to a title because you picked up a strap. specialy when their is another title holder who just beat you.
Which was the case in the division.
The writer clearly leaves out that Yuri was never the Ring Champ. so there is absolutely NO lineage between Kittikasems win over Yuri.
Lineages are kept either by dethroning the champ and or #1 vs. #2 face off. As I mentioned Kim-Chitlada was the last lineage in the Fly division.
Pac has 3 lineage titles; Feather, Sup. Feather and Light Welter.
Which is great and Henry Armstrong would be proud of him.
This article was written by Cliff Rold... I think he's an American and a credible boxing writer...
Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America. He can be reached at roldboxing AT hotmail.com if you have inquiries about his article...
BTW, below is the link to that article:
link -->
Pacquiao Aims for Four (and Six): Real History Part 1 - Boxing News
;)
Well he needs to be fired from his job.
What's even funnier is that he works for the Ring but doesn't realize that the Ring never recognized Yuri as their champ...
It's simple. Yuri was not the Ring/Lineal champ therefor Sasakuls win did not make him the lineal champ.
You can email Cliff Rold a clarification if you want... What I don't like in your previous comment is how you mock Filipino boxing fans regarding their knowledge about lineages...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Fenster
You need The Ring title to be recognised as lineal?
I thought the most bombproof method of lineal was "the man who beat the man?" The man who dethrones the champ?
You can trace Pac to the Kim-Chitlada fight.
Sot Chitalada-Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.
So are you saying because The Ring stop recognising champions the lineal heritage should be scrapped? That seems pretty fucked up man. :-\
Well the Ring are the people who created lineal champs.
How else are we to keep track.
Let me give you and example.
For the sake of the debate here...
Daisuke Naito can claim he's the Flyweight lineal champ because he can 'supposably' be traced back to "The Man who Beat the Man"?
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Aside from Cliff Rold, ESPN's Dan Rafael also recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ...;D Congrats PAC...
Cliff Rold has really shown his smarts on lineage to me.
As I stated above by his viewing Daisuke Naito is the Lineal Flyweight champ. ???
Dan Rafael... PPPLU-EAAAAASE!
Rafael also recognized Joel Julio as the greatest thing since Port-A-Potties and yet here we are couple years later and Julio is well... Not so great to say the least.
Naito got his lineage from Sasakul-Pacquiao-Singsurat-Tunacao-Pongsaklek-Naito ...
Well at least Dan Rafael and Cliff Rold has millions of readers noticing that they recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... ;)
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Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
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Mosley and Cotto are the big two for me, so either of them. But it should be at 147 and no catch weights because that is the proper WW class IMO. If Manny wants to come in lighter then that's his calling.
Reason tells me that he loses to both, but logic seems to have gone out the window regarding Manny. So, I abstain from making any real judgments. :-\
I don't see him asking for any catch weight deal. He already demolished Oscar at ww.
I heard a radio story that Mosley went to the wild card gym to speak with Roach about a bout with Pacquiao, Roach told Mosley sure come down to 142 and well make it happen. Mosley said can't do it!
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This article was written by Cliff Rold... I think he's an American and a credible boxing writer...
Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America. He can be reached at roldboxing AT hotmail.com if you have inquiries about his article...
BTW, below is the link to that article:
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Pacquiao Aims for Four (and Six): Real History Part 1 - Boxing News
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Well he needs to be fired from his job.
What's even funnier is that he works for the Ring but doesn't realize that the Ring never recognized Yuri as their champ...
It's simple. Yuri was not the Ring/Lineal champ therefor Sasakuls win did not make him the lineal champ.
You can email Cliff Rold a clarification if you want... What I don't like in your previous comment is how you mock Filipino boxing fans regarding their knowledge about lineages...
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Aside from Cliff Rold, ESPN's Dan Rafael also recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ...;D Congrats PAC...
Cliff Rold has really shown his smarts on lineage to me.
As I stated above by his viewing Daisuke Naito is the Lineal Flyweight champ. ???
Dan Rafael... PPPLU-EAAAAASE!
Rafael also recognized Joel Julio as the greatest thing since Port-A-Potties and yet here we are couple years later and Julio is well... Not so great to say the least.
Naito got his lineage from Sasakul-Pacquiao-Singsurat-Tunacao-Pongsaklek-Naito ...
Well at least Dan Rafael and Cliff Rold has millions of readers noticing that they recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... ;)
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You completely missed my point on Naito...
Naito is NOT the lineal champ.
As I said for the sake of the debate (I hope you know what I mean by that cause it seems like you dont) Daisuke Naito can claim he's the Flyweight lineal champ because he can 'supposably' be traced back to "The Man who Beat the Man"?
I thought Nonito Donaire was the best Flyweight in the world according to you and the rest of the PacNut Huggers?
Now suddenly you are saying it's Daisuke?
At this time the Flyweight div. has no lineal champ and that's a fact.
Check out the Ring lineages if you want to see the REAL lineal champs.
You will clearly see who they are.
As for the Cliff and Dan comment, oh! me oh! my Boxer please don't tell me that. I loath to have millions of readers. :rolleyes:
I have my true fans here in Saddos who are THEE most knowlegeable fans bare none in the planet.
Head & Shoulders above ANY other boxing forum out there.
Any....
I respect anyone who's out there for the sport and all but clearly Cliff and Dan are not the final word and in the end the lineal champs can be traced by the Ring Magazine title they are awarded just like the one Pac got when he defeated Hatton. Sadly for you Pac's record as of today only shows 3 and there is nothing Cliff, Dan or you can do about it.
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Well he needs to be fired from his job.
What's even funnier is that he works for the Ring but doesn't realize that the Ring never recognized Yuri as their champ...
It's simple. Yuri was not the Ring/Lineal champ therefor Sasakuls win did not make him the lineal champ.
You can email Cliff Rold a clarification if you want... What I don't like in your previous comment is how you mock Filipino boxing fans regarding their knowledge about lineages...
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Cliff Rold has really shown his smarts on lineage to me.
As I stated above by his viewing Daisuke Naito is the Lineal Flyweight champ. ???
Dan Rafael... PPPLU-EAAAAASE!
Rafael also recognized Joel Julio as the greatest thing since Port-A-Potties and yet here we are couple years later and Julio is well... Not so great to say the least.
Naito got his lineage from Sasakul-Pacquiao-Singsurat-Tunacao-Pongsaklek-Naito ...
Well at least Dan Rafael and Cliff Rold has millions of readers noticing that they recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... ;)
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You completely missed my point on Naito...
Naito is NOT the lineal champ.
As I said for the sake of the debate (I hope you know what I mean by that cause it seems like you dont) Daisuke Naito can claim he's the Flyweight lineal champ because he can 'supposably' be traced back to "The Man who Beat the Man"?
I thought Nonito Donaire was the best Flyweight in the world according to you and the rest of the PacNut Huggers?
Now suddenly you are saying it's Daisuke?
At this time the Flyweight div. has no lineal champ and that's a fact.
Check out the Ring lineages if you want to see the REAL lineal champs.
You will clearly see who they are.
As for the Cliff and Dan comment, oh! me oh! my Boxer please don't tell me that. I loath to have millions of readers. :rolleyes:
I have my true fans here in Saddos who are THEE most knowlegeable fans bare none in the planet.
Head & Shoulders above ANY other boxing forum out there.
Any....
I respect anyone who's out there for the sport and all but clearly Cliff and Dan are not the final word and in the end the lineal champs can be traced by the Ring Magazine title they are awarded just like the one Pac got when he defeated Hatton. Sadly for you Pac's record as of today only shows 3 and there is nothing Cliff, Dan or you can do about it.
Nothing wrong with Naito being the lineal champ, he beat the man who beat the man... Heck, Naito defeated Pongsucklick ... I can even accept Armando Santa Cruz being lineal champ at one time if the judges didn't rob him against Casamayor... Santa Cruz is not the best lightweight but he beat the man...
You're the one who's off Mick ... including your mockery of Filipino boxing fans' knowledge about lineages... You seems to be fair but my respect for you become lesser because of that opinion... Why? Do you consider only Americans and Mexicans has authority/knowledge about lineages??
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Re: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?
The point is, not a lot of people wins 4 lineal titles. That's all I can say.
